[Signing] Canucks sign Micheal Ferland

[smithers joe]

6 minutes ago, 73 Percent said:

Where are you hearing this?

on 650 who played some of jim’s comments on his presser. 

[stawns]

Just now, Brovat said:

I’m pretty high on Gaudette maybe that’s clouding my judgement. 

I love AG, but he didn't look NHL ready last year, let alone to fill Sutter's role on a team making a push for the playoffs.  Keeping AG and dumping Sutter means Bo is back into a defense cman role again and I think they want to lessen that load, not add to it.  Just my opinion though.

[smithers joe]

3 minutes ago, Brovat said:

I’m pretty high on Gaudette maybe that’s clouding my judgement. 

the way stan smyl spoke, adam will start in utica  to develop with more ice time and responsibility.  he would certainly be back up if suts is moved or for injuries. in utica he can play top 6 minutes and hone his offence. again it is, whats best for the player’s development.

[Nucker 67]

I like how Green will be letting Ferland play his own game here. I expect him to be engaged and on high alert for any dirty hits against his team mates. He can also go to the tough areas to get pucks, or clog the crease and he's skilled enough to make plays and score. With Ferland (most likely) as a winger on their line, I wonder how well Pettersson and Boeser will do this year. 35+ goals and 80+ points each?

[Brovat]

1 minute ago, stawns said:

I love AG, but he didn't look NHL ready last year, let alone to fill Sutter's role on a team making a push for the playoffs.  Keeping AG and dumping Sutter means Bo is back into a defense cman role again and I think they want to lessen that load, not add to it.  Just my opinion though.

I thought he looked decent honestly. Like everyone knows a Sutter injury and Bo is in that role anyways. I think AG and a healthy Beagle make Sutter tradable whether it’s now to sign Boes or at the TDL. Beauty of it all is when Beagle is retiring Madden should be sniffing around. 

[oldnews]

12 hours ago, 18W-40C-6W said:

Ok 

Fine - have it your way - let's soil the Ferland thread with Leafs drama!

Extremely weak claim.  I hope Toronto swallows that - as you have.

I'd love for them to scapegoat Babcock.  That would be hello stupid on their part.

Dubas built a joke - 3 years running - this time with no 4th line, no shutdown centers, a lottery 3rd pairing.  Good luck with that in the playoffs, whatever coach is behind the bench.

Please fire Babcock and stay the deluded course Toronto.

[theo5789]

2 minutes ago, Brovat said:

I thought he looked decent honestly. Like everyone knows a Sutter injury and Bo is in that role anyways. I think AG and a healthy Beagle make Sutter tradable whether it’s now to sign Boes or at the TDL. Beauty of it all is when Beagle is retiring Madden should be sniffing around. 

We are in a position that it would be beneficial for Gaudette to be in Utica for a year or slightly less, but be in a place consistently so he can focus on his development. It's also more beneficial to try and get Sutter some games and show his worth so he has more value should he be still healthy come trade deadline or next off season. Right now Sutter's value is at an all time low and he doesn't need to be moved IMO to have the cap to sign Boeser anyway. If Sutter is healthy, he adds a lot of value as a strong centerman capable of winning possession and be a good shut down guy.

 

If we want to save a million in a pinch, then Schaller is a no brainier and that's really all we need at this point for some wiggle room anyway. If we can dump LE, then it's just gravy.

 

Next year, given the right progress for Gaudette, then I see him having a full time spot.

[smithers joe]

6 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

I like how Green will be letting Ferland play his own game here. I expect him to be engaged and on high alert for any dirty hits against his team mates. He can also go to the tough areas to get pucks, or clog the crease and he's skilled enough to make plays and score. With Ferland (most likely) as a winger on their line, I wonder how well Pettersson and Boeser will do this year. 35+ goals and 80+ points each?

the reason i like miller with petey is because he is a good face off man and petey is still learning that. they say miller drives the play, not sure if ferland does too.

[ForsbergTheGreat]

1 hour ago, debluvscanucks said:

I've read a few posts and find some hard to follow.

 

What, exactly, is your point?  In a line or two so I can understand it.

 Simple. Canucks strategy has changed their plan from the first few years to the last 3 years. First years were about supporting the twins and giving the roster the help compete.

 

It didn’t work, we hit rock bottom and went back to the drawing board, with a new coach a new president and some shiny new prospects. The Last few years have been primarily focused on developing and building the new core and far less about pushing for the post season. 

 

Theres nothing wrong with this decision as ownership and the current roster come into play.... and I’m not even criticizing JB. Just starting the obvious of how the plan has changed over the years.  

 

 

[Camel Toe Drag]

15 minutes ago, stawns said:

I love AG, but he didn't look NHL ready last year, let alone to fill Sutter's role on a team making a push for the playoffs.  Keeping AG and dumping Sutter means Bo is back into a defense cman role again and I think they want to lessen that load, not add to it.  Just my opinion though.

pretty incredible Bo did so well offensively despite the defensive load he had to take on and let alone taking the most faceoffs in the league. I can only imagine him this year with two stable wingers and Sutter to help take some of the defensive match ups off his plate. Bo is incredible.

[Elias Pettersson]

1 hour ago, smithers joe said:

JB said he is trying to trade 2 players. didn’t say which ones. 

Eriksson and Baertschi...

[Cup2022]

3 hours ago, canuck2288 said:

Totally agree

 

watching this year’s playoffs should convince everyone of the need to be tough. Every star player has a mark on their back in a seven game series. If a team wants to win they will want Hughes or Petey out in game 1 or 2. Hopefully or team will be punishing and immediately show we play an eye for an eye style

 

i love how we now have a great mix of talent and grit

 

bring on the Leafs 

Leafs can't even get out of first round lol, have not been in a final in over 50years hope they continue the good work.

[aGENT]

1 hour ago, Goal:thecup said:

I think there is still a chance to mend fences and get Louie back on the team.

To play where? Why? To the detriment of a PR nightmare and massive distraction around the team all year? 

 

No thanks.

 

We have ZERO need to have Loui on this roster. He's done here.

 

If we can engineer a minimal cost (retained salary/taking a contract back/minor asset sweetener) trade...by all means. Otherwise he's welcome to ride buses in Utica, mutually terminate or retire.

 

 

45 minutes ago, stawns said:

I love AG, but he didn't look NHL ready last year, let alone to fill Sutter's role on a team making a push for the playoffs.  Keeping AG and dumping Sutter means Bo is back into a defense cman role again and I think they want to lessen that load, not add to it.  Just my opinion though.

Not sure that's entirely accurate anymore. By all means, I tend to agree Sutter will be a valuable player and be on the roster in October. If nothing else to get some healthy games under his belt and up his trade value at minimum. And more likely as a solid, contributing player in exactly the role you mention.

 

However, if we're going to entertain this thought experiment... Sutter's main reason for being here is to play (along with some other solid defensive players) the defensive/match up/PK minutes to furnish the offensive players with more offensive opportunity and shelter them from those more difficult tasks. And he's damn good at it.

 

I'd argue however, that with the additions we've made this summer, those players will need far less sheltering (we added solid 2 way, physical players who can also win draws etc to our top 6) and we'll also be spending far less time as a team in those defensive situations (far more puck possession, far better transition game from the D). That all potentially lessens (not necessarily eliminates) the need for both Sutter AND Beagle in that role.

 

In that situation, it's not impossible to see us moving on from him at some point in the not distant future and transitioning to a 3rd line that's more focused on secondary offensive/2 way play that becomes an opposition match up problem vs an outright match up/sheltering/furnishing ozone line.

 

-Pettersson's line with his natural progression/experience/added strength and the addition of Miller/Ferland will require less sheltering than the 70% ozone starts they saw last year.

 

-Horvat's line simply doesn't require sheltering. They can play against opposing top lines or their match up/defensive lines without worry.

 

-Beagle's line is our match up line.

 

-Gaudette's line (theoretically) becomes a match up problem for the other team.

 

Again, just a thought experiment, but I believe that's the intended/eventual destination whether it's this October, later this season, next season etc. A lot will depend on Gaudette's readiness.

 

 

Edited July 12, 2019 by aGENT

[Brovat]

24 minutes ago, smithers joe said:

the way stan smyl spoke, adam will start in utica  to develop with more ice time and responsibility.  he would certainly be back up if suts is moved or for injuries. in utica he can play top 6 minutes and hone his offence. again it is, whats best for the player’s development.

That’s ok too. I think he’s more of a Bo or Brendan Morrison as far as developing goes. Let him learn in the NHL. Shrug. 

[SilentSam]

2 hours ago, EddieVedder said:

Gaudettes not an nhler yet and hes certainly not a puck distributor, which is what his perceived wingers will need.  With how deep we are, his best case scenario is playing wing on the 4th line this upcoming year.

I don’t see that.  I see with the new cast of forwards we have spread through the line up he could go 3rd line.

After 1 full season under his belt he deserves to have the opportunity of movement up to the 2nd positioning or down when needed to the 4th.

The opportunity to move gives him the flexibility, and familiarity to work with others, and the potential to show more in any situation in any game.

The 4th line staples him. 

Regardless I would rather have him on the team than Sutter.  It’s time for some to shine, and others to move on.

[oldnews]

23 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Eriksson and Baertschi or Goldobin...

 

[SilentSam]

40 minutes ago, theo5789 said:

We are in a position that it would be beneficial for Gaudette to be in Utica for a year or slightly less, but be in a place consistently so he can focus on his development. It's also more beneficial to try and get Sutter some games and show his worth so he has more value should he be still healthy come trade deadline or next off season. Right now Sutter's value is at an all time low and he doesn't need to be moved IMO to have the cap to sign Boeser anyway. If Sutter is healthy, he adds a lot of value as a strong centerman capable of winning possession and be a good shut down guy.

 

If we want to save a million in a pinch, then Schaller is a no brainier and that's really all we need at this point for some wiggle room anyway. If we can dump LE, then it's just gravy.

 

Next year, given the right progress for Gaudette, then I see him having a full time spot.

I get the idea of trying to show some value in Sutter,. But even his play before his injuries was getting perimeter-like.

yes.. good on the dot.. but others are getting better.

He is tall , not that heavy or strong..  hopefully being off an entire year he is stronger than ever. 

I wonder sometimes if you were to replace that nameplate on his shirt with something other than Sutter.. does he stand out at all?

 

 

[theo5789]

57 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

I get the idea of trying to show some value in Sutter,. But even his play before his injuries was getting perimeter-like.

yes.. good on the dot.. but others are getting better.

He is tall , not that heavy or strong..  hopefully being off an entire year he is stronger than ever. 

I wonder sometimes if you were to replace that nameplate on his shirt with something other than Sutter.. does he stand out at all?

 

 

Being good on the dot often facing against the top competition is very good attribute. Prior to his injuries, not only was he good defensively, but he did have offensive upside. He's not big physically, but just like someone like Bergeron, you don't know need to be heavy to be a strong defensive center. His name has a little to do with it, but I think based on his play, he probably would've stood out anyway early in his career. The only reason why teams are hesitant in acquiring at this point is because of the injury concerns, so by having a decent year health-wise will take that concern away somewhat.

 

He looks to have a niche of being a 30-35 point 3rd line center that can take on the hard minutes and we just need to show that he still can be that guy to bring his value back up.

Edited July 12, 2019 by theo5789

[rekker]

2 minutes ago, theo5789 said:

Being good on the top often facing against the top competition is very good attribute. Prior to his injuries, not only was he good defensively, but he did have offensive upside. He's not big physically, but just like someone like Bergeron, you don't know need to be heavy to be a strong defensive center. His name has a little to do with it, but I think based on his play, he probably would've stood out anyway early in his career. The only reason why teams are hesitant in acquiring at this point is because of the injury concerns, so by having a decent year health-wise will take that concern away somewhat.

 

He looks to have a niche of being a 30-35 point 3rd line center that can take on the hard minutes and we just need to show that he still can be that guy to bring his value back up.

Absolutely. It will be an interesting year. The big if with this team is of course injuries. If the hockey gods smile upon us and the team does well and there aren't many injuries the value of certain players will rise exponentially. Sutter, Tanev, Baer, if healthy and on a successful team will become very good trade chips. So excited for next year!

[-DLC-]

1 hour ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

 Simple. Canucks strategy has changed their plan from the first few years to the last 3 years. First years were about supporting the twins and giving the roster the help compete.

 

It didn’t work, we hit rock bottom and went back to the drawing board, with a new coach a new president and some shiny new prospects. The Last few years have been primarily focused on developing and building the new core and far less about pushing for the post season. 

 

Theres nothing wrong with this decision as ownership and the current roster come into play.... and I’m not even criticizing JB. Just starting the obvious of how the plan has changed over the years.  

 

 

Thank you, I appreciate that.

 

I agree as well.  But I think this is more "the norm" as no team just "sets a plan" then it plays out.  Especially when injuries come into play and, at times, can show glaring holes.  Or, prove some as capable of carrying loads that were beyond expectation.

 

The twins exited with pride and dignity and the fact that management allowed it to play out that way may not have been the best road to "success", but the long road there.  Because, as new guys are arriving on the scene they will see this as loyalty - as a team that cares and doesn't just send players off with a swift boot out the door.

 

Some players?  Yes.

 

But when you have high caliber players LIKE the Sedins, they're a hard act to follow/replace.  So, despite the fact that they were noticeably slow, they still were "assets".  They still put up points.  So it wasn't just to placate them.

 

Let's face it - most teams face replacing one player like them...we had two to deal with.   Our #1 & 2 scorers.  It's a unique situation that can't be easily compared to other teams.

 

When you acquire prospects it isn't every day that they can slide into the league and take it over from the get go.  That can speed up a plan as you strike while the iron's hot.

 

I'd also argue that losing valuable pieces (to injury, Russia, etc.), as well as having some not really meeting expectations as quickly as thought, also required a reassessment of the plan.  So I actually am happy that they implemented a bit of a Plan B rather than deny a need to do so.  That they demonstrated flexibility as things started to change direction.

 

I am sure that a big part of what is driving this is "playoff revenue" and keeping the fans intact and interested.  This fan base demands success and results so management has to consider that.  As is witnessed here on a regular basis, people don't have much patience.  So there are so many things that factor into the why's and what's that a team does.  And it isn't too negative to want to get there because....anything can happen.  You don't hold the horses in the gate until you feel it's perfect.  They tire.

 

I just wish we could move on/forward, as the team is.  The past is the past and the reasons, at this stage, fairly irrelevant (except that I do get that this is a forum for discussion so it's all part of it).

 

Again...thank you for a reasonable response that helps me understand your point in all of this.