[Signing] Canucks sign Micheal Ferland

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My guess to Joe's comment is Loui & Sutter.  

[Davathor]

At least with Miller and Ferland, we should never see LE in the top 6 again... problem is where do you put him? Sutter-louiser on the same line is pretty weak physically, not an ideal shutdown line.

 

I really dont see room on this roster for him this season. I'd rather see anyone else get ice time

[higgyfan]

2 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

 Simple. Canucks strategy has changed their plan from the first few years to the last 3 years. First years were about supporting the twins and giving the roster the help compete.

 

It didn’t work, we hit rock bottom and went back to the drawing board, with a new coach a new president and some shiny new prospects. The Last few years have been primarily focused on developing and building the new core and far less about pushing for the post season. 

 

Theres nothing wrong with this decision as ownership and the current roster come into play.... and I’m not even criticizing JB. Just starting the obvious of how the plan has changed over the years.  

 

 

I agree completely.  I don't understand why people are objecting to the idea.  One of the things I like about Benning is his ability to move on from circumstances that aren't working out.

 

One thing that I haven't seen mentioned on this board, is the interview of Ferland (yesterday on SN650) where he talks about the meeting he had with Aquilini.  He said that Aquilin stated that he had told the management team that it was time to get back into the playoffs and JB was given the go ahead to do what was needed.  This information suggests that the owner is clearly in charge of the plan(s) and the manager is (quite brilliantly imo) adapting to these changes.

 

Aquilini has every right to deal with the Canucks any way he chooses.  I do give him kudos for his obvious love of the team and for always allowing his GM(s) to spend to the cap, if need be.

 

I have no problem with JB either.  If our team does make it into the playoffs within the next two years and can continue to develop into a contender, he will be looking like one of the better GMs in the league.

 

 

Edited July 12, 2019 by higgyfan

[Silky mitts]

21 minutes ago, Davathor said:

At least with Miller and Ferland, we should never see LE in the top 6 again... problem is where do you put him? Sutter-louiser on the same line is pretty weak physically, not an ideal shutdown line.

 

I really dont see room on this roster for him this season. I'd rather see anyone else get ice time

LE is utica bound, there is no room for him on the roster

[Dr. Crossbar]

21 minutes ago, Davathor said:

At least with Miller and Ferland, we should never see LE in the top 6 again... problem is where do you put him? Sutter-louiser on the same line is pretty weak physically, not an ideal shutdown line.

 

I really dont see room on this roster for him this season. I'd rather see anyone else get ice time

Agree. Was thinking about this last night after his agent's recent comments, who said things are beyond a trade request. They're talking solutions now.

 

Everything's out in the open now, so I'm leaning toward him being moved. Only place for him would be third line but I don't see the room either.

[Camel Toe Drag]

31 minutes ago, Davathor said:

At least with Miller and Ferland, we should never see LE in the top 6 again... problem is where do you put him? Sutter-louiser on the same line is pretty weak physically, not an ideal shutdown line.

 

I really dont see room on this roster for him this season. I'd rather see anyone else get ice time

Bro, hes not playing in a Canucks jersey again.

[Kanukfanatic]

5 hours ago, canuck2288 said:

Pretty laughable 

 

Guddy was pathetic and I am so glad he is gone. Pylon for a player and overrated as a tough guy

 

as for fighting don’t even go there little man behind his keyboard. Unlike you, I Have played and continue to actually play the game. I lost count of my fights... and suspensions 

 

like you know me, who is the imbecile? 

as for fighting don’t even go there little man behind his keyboard. - Your response makes you come across as ignorant.

 

lost count of my fights... - Why? Because you were always lying on the ice at the end?  

 

Internet tough guys like your response is making you look just isn't impressive.

 

Guddy is an actual tough guy who took on the toughest fighters in the NHL....not some beer league. You saying otherwise doesn't even matter.

 

Edit: I do agree that he was a pylon though.

Edited July 12, 2019 by Kanukfanatic

[Kanukfanatic]

5 hours ago, vannuck59 said:

The game has changed so get over it 4th line players are developing and are going to be 3 and 2 line players as they produce . Its a faster and more skilled game . If a player is better than his line he will move up .Opportunity to move up will always be there.  If Jake is capable to play in the top 6 he will play in the top 6. This year he will earn his spot too many players better right now.

I agree with Nazzy. If Virtanen is on the 4th line he is getting 10 minutes a game.

 

I hope he doesn't just get that. I hope he is on the 3rd line or higher and I expect he will be.

[Kanukfanatic]

3 hours ago, Goal:thecup said:

I think there is still a chance to mend fences and get Louie back on the team.

 

 

God I hope not.

[Kanukfanatic]

2 hours ago, Hutton Wink said:

Deb, once you engage there is no end to the argument.  And once the "walls of text" start (which inevitably always do), I don't even bother reading because typically nothing is said that couldn't be said in a few lines.  a.k.a. "elephant hurling", often done with the intent of tiring the opponent so they stop responding and ostensibly "give up".  Your choice is either walk away or else engage for pages on end, going round and round in circles in an ultimate time-waster.

Sounds exactly like what hfcanucks is based on.

[stanleysteamersmyl]

I can't wait until October 2/19.  No more turn the other cheek team.

 

 

[SilentSam]

1 hour ago, theo5789 said:

Being good on the dot often facing against the top competition is very good attribute. Prior to his injuries, not only was he good defensively, but he did have offensive upside. He's not big physically, but just like someone like Bergeron, you don't know need to be heavy to be a strong defensive center. His name has a little to do with it, but I think based on his play, he probably would've stood out anyway early in his career. The only reason why teams are hesitant in acquiring at this point is because of the injury concerns, so by having a decent year health-wise will take that concern away somewhat.

 

He looks to have a niche of being a 30-35 point 3rd line center that can take on the hard minutes and we just need to show that he still can be that guy to bring his value back up.

Well,  hopefully we get lucky with Sutter..  Or Perhaps Benning isn’t going to wait on luck anymore.  

[rychicken]

1 hour ago, debluvscanucks said:

My guess to Joe's comment is Loui & Sutter.  

I think it's Loui and myself - after all, we are all Canucks....

 

I think it is Loui and Tanev - a lot of people are talking about JV or Goldy as the "sweetener" needed to trade LE. I really think JB and team want to give both of those players another year to prove themselves....if so -  they don't have too many other "sweeteners" that they would be willing to give up....Demko maybe, but that is very risky as well. 

 

[SilentSam]

1 hour ago, higgyfan said:

I agree completely.  I don't understand why people are objecting to the idea.  One of the things I like about Benning is his ability to move on from circumstances that aren't working out.

 

One thing that I haven't seen mentioned on this board, is the interview of Ferland (yesterday on SN650) where he talks about the meeting he had with Aquilini.  He said that Aquilin stated that he had told the management team that it was time to get back into the playoffs and JB was given the go ahead to do what was needed.  This information suggests that the owner is clearly in charge of the plan(s) and the manager is (quite brilliantly imo) adapting to these changes.

 

Aquilini has every right to deal with the Canucks any way he chooses.  I do give him kudos for his obvious love of the team and for always allowing his GM(s) to spend to the cap, if need be.

 

I have no problem with JB either.  If our team does make it into the playoffs within the next two years and can continue to develop into a contender, he will be looking like one of the better GMs in the league.

 

 

 It’s an exciting year.

 

Hats off to F.Aquillini for being patient through this process,. Would not be so good with an owner like Dundon in Carolina.

 

Benning has us stacked down through the AHL and abroad, a fantastic time /development system is in place where nothing needs to be rushed and players can work on their potential and bring their “best to show” when ready.

 

Always wished to see the Utica Comets move to Renfrew St..  but those fans are the best, and I’d hate to see our prospects hounded by the Sports Journalists in this City.. most of them have a disease that spreads depression.

 

Wouldnt mind seeing an ECHL Team here though..  they have expanded west a bit.. Hell,.  if you can have the Alaska Aces,. You can have the “Vancouver Timber”  

Edited July 12, 2019 by SilentSam

[Alflives]

28 minutes ago, stanleysteamersmyl said:

I can't wait until October 2/19.  No more turn the other cheek team.

 

 

Exactly.  Hockey is a tough game, where physical intimidation works.  Our young skilled guys needed added size, and physical players around the.  We added Miller and Ferland.  Two big boys who play hard nosed hockey, in straight lines, and with skill.   Very excited too! 

[Brovat]

3 hours ago, smithers joe said:

even if they pay 1 mil a yr of louie’s salary, there will be 5 mil in cap space saved. louie at 2 mil a yr, in actually cash might interest some team. 

Pay the complete 3 and a team like Ottawa might actually give something up to get him. When does LE’s next list of teams he would play for come out? On the 15th I think? 

[SilentSam]

1 hour ago, Dr. Crossbar said:

Agree. Was thinking about this last night after his agent's recent comments, who said things are beyond a trade request. They're talking solutions now.

 

Everything's out in the open now, so I'm leaning toward him being moved. Only place for him would be third line but I don't see the room either.

If Eriksson is not self embarrassed by this,.  He will be publicly shamed when he goes on the ice..  I don’t think he gets that.?

Collect the money and hide is not a way to live.

Edited July 12, 2019 by SilentSam

[The Lock]

4 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

 

No it’s a cop out because it’s subjective and not measurable. Canucks could loose 6-0 and only have 10 shots on net and someone could still claim that we were competitive.  

 

People seem to have short term memory, go back to the PGT’s. Very little talk about the team putting in a good effort. Sure the odd nigh but that’s the same with every bottom feeding team.  It’s easy to forgot and look back at on the past few years with some misplaced light but in the moment no one was talking about us showing up a whole bunch. There’s a reason why WD got fired. 

 

I never said being competitive wasn’t a good thing. Im pointing out that anyone who thinks this team the last four years is mistaken. There has been very little difference between what we’ve been in the last four years to what the oilers, Av’s, Sabre’s, panthers, totes were like in there bottom feeding years. Inconsistent effort night in and night out.

 

The only different is a few try to pretend like we’re above them by stating the “oh but we were competitive” despite not having watch any of the other teams games.  If your not watching the other teams games regularly how would you were more competitive.

 

A losing culture is built by losing. And in the last 4 years no team has done more. Jim understands this. It’s why again his definition is based on playing meaningful games late in the season. It’s also why he disregards a players performs in the last few months when the season basically over for that team. 

Let me refer back to a scenario where I feel you would be right: Totorella's year. That year, everyone look like husks floating around on the ice. There was no drive. There was no determination. There was pretty much not much of anything. Edmonton has looked like that most years the past few years as well.

 

However, since Tortorella. I can't say I've seen a year out of us quite like that. Even with WD, despite the occasional issues with having Megna on the ice more than he probably deserved among other things, we've never seen players like Horvat or Sutter not have drive. They've always had drive. The defense has had drive. The majority of the team has had drive. This talk of "minimal effort": maybe Eriksson? Beyond that, I never have seen that as being the case.

 

So when you tell me people seem to have "short term memory," I don't know what you're even talking about and I wonder if you've even been watching the same team at that point. If anything, I have the upmost respect for the past few years because our team could have not had drive while "bottom feeding". They could have easily looked as bad as Edmonton has but they didn't.

 

People get fixated on the cinderella stories of the league. They see a team only take 2 years to build and think it should be the norm. They see people get lucky in the draft and drafting the right players. People are literally fixated on maybe.... 5 teams in the league?... and they'll treat it like it's how we should have done it, and I have to say, it's perhaps the most unrealistic way of looking at things. It creates skewed opinions on what we should have been doing, yet, those very teams: what if Toronto didn't get to draft Matthews and didn't get to sign Tavares? What if Pittsburgh didn't get Kessel and Bonino among others to put their team over the top?

 

People are literally fixated on what could be and it puts them in some fantasy world where they think they know more than Benning. These people literally think they are experts at the subject, whether it's from sitting in front of a computer looking at nothing but stats to just outright not liking anything the team's doing and probably never liking what the team's doing.

 

You talk about a "losing culture" when we've actually had drive. You're stomping your feet like a 10 year old not getting his treat in a supermarket, when someone tells you they saw something you didn't and, while you might think it's the other way around, I haven't seen a single specific example from you of the ENTIRE TEAM not having drive. Don't give me a single game. Don't give me the win-loss record. Give me a concrete example of where we walked onto the ice and skated around like husks, including Horvat among others. Stop beating around the bush with stuff that doesn't even prove what you're saying. Go straight to the point and prove it, otherwise, there no point to this discussion.

 

I think you're smart and I respect you, but this might be the most incoherent argument I've ever seen you come up with if I'm being perfectly honest.

 

EDIT: Just a quick edit, I hadn't read your reply to deb before posting my rant lol, but we've had civilized discussions before. Just consider where I'm coming from in this. I ask that of you before you post.

Edited July 12, 2019 by The Lock

[ilduce39]

Can’t see us moving Sutter.  After all the moves we’ve made it’s pretty clear we’re hard charging for the playoffs and a good 3C is pretty key.  His contact is also up before the dreaded offseason where we have to re-sign Petey and Quinn.  No impetuous to move him.

 

Nothing against Gaudette as he’s a big part of the future but he’d have to show more than last season before we clear out Sutter for him.  

[rekker]

2 hours ago, SilentSam said:

I get the idea of trying to show some value in Sutter,. But even his play before his injuries was getting perimeter-like.

yes.. good on the dot.. but others are getting better.

He is tall , not that heavy or strong..  hopefully being off an entire year he is stronger than ever. 

I wonder sometimes if you were to replace that nameplate on his shirt with something other than Sutter.. does he stand out at all?

 

 

Lastnameitis is a common issue in hockey. Having been involved in minor hockey for years and seeing it right through to junior play, last names get you a lot of attention. Its jaded me and I always view a player with a last name with a grain of salt. They almost have to go over and above to show me something as I've all too often seen where they get unwarranted, special treatment based on their sperm donor.