EdgarM Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 9 hours ago, Plum said: Agree on Stecher. I like him on the 3rd pairing, killing penalties and used against 2nd-4th lines. I consider Tanev #1 and Myers #2. Stecher may be too rich for the 3rd pairing depending on his next contract so it could make sense to look to trade him this year. I have no complains if we re-sign Tanev. A 3rd pairing RD should not be expensive nor hard to find, so we can wait on Woo to be a strong 3rd pairing NHLer on his ELC hopefully. This is exactly it. I would love to have him on the team people just need to realize what he is and where he stands in the overall picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyman109 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 On 7/22/2019 at 4:51 PM, 48MPHSlapShot said: The disrespect to one of our most consistent and hardworking defensemen in this thread is absolutely baffling. His underlying numbers are great, he can contribute offensively, he likely won't ask for much, he's still young, and he's feisty as all hell, despite his size. He's the type of guy you win with. He'll never be a Norris contidate, but as a bottom pairing guy he's about as good as it gets. to completely ignore his shortcomings is rose colored homer glasses. Stecher has had the benefit of being ok on a team that has had awful defense. He struggle to clear the crease against bigger players,does not contribute offensively like he needs to to stay in the NHL.I like Stecher and his attitude and would love to see him have success but he has to bring a bigger contribution or he will be supplanted by Quin Hughes as the smaller offensive defenseman on the team, The reason Benning went out and got Myers Benn and Fantenberg is due to the fact Stecher and Hutton were not the answer. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salacious Crumb Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 On 7/22/2019 at 6:22 PM, Baer. said: You are objectively wrong. No. No I’m not. TS is a fringe NHL’r. That we have been in the toilet has given him an opportunity. Name a playoff team that he would crack the top 4... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 4 hours ago, mikeyman109 said: to completely ignore his shortcomings is rose colored homer glasses. Stecher has had the benefit of being ok on a team that has had awful defense. He struggle to clear the crease against bigger players,does not contribute offensively like he needs to to stay in the NHL.I like Stecher and his attitude and would love to see him have success but he has to bring a bigger contribution or he will be supplanted by Quin Hughes as the smaller offensive defenseman on the team, The reason Benning went out and got Myers Benn and Fantenberg is due to the fact Stecher and Hutton were not the answer. Wasn’t aware that adding 20-25 points a season from the blueline wasn’t “contributing like he needs to to stay in the NHL”. Shiny new toy syndrome in full effect here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 On 7/22/2019 at 10:34 PM, Johnny Torts said: Stecher just played for Canada too, as did Tanev right before his value rocketed. He’s great. Stecher gradually lost his ice time as the Worlds went on. He finished with not even 7 minutes in the finals. Vigneault had already cut his ice time down to 8:30 vs the USA in the final pool game. He started in the top-4 and ended up being D7 - teams can ice up to 20 skaters and Vigneault went with 7 Ds. On the right side he got surpassed by Dante Fabbro and Phillippe Myers who joined mid-tournament. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhorvat Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Im a fan of troy stetcher but hes nothing special and can easily be replaced. Hes most likely worth a 3rd if we were to trade him for a pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Torts Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 2 hours ago, mll said: Stecher gradually lost his ice time as the Worlds went on. He finished with not even 7 minutes in the finals. Vigneault had already cut his ice time down to 8:30 vs the USA in the final pool game. He started in the top-4 and ended up being D7 - teams can ice up to 20 skaters and Vigneault went with 7 Ds. On the right side he got surpassed by Dante Fabbro and Phillippe Myers who joined mid-tournament. He was on the team. Yes? or No? Negative nancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck-lifer Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 With Myers added to the right side, I see Stecher's role decreased on the offensive side. Depending on our health he will not get the PP time he had last year, but he is reliable defensively and sacrifices himself for the team. One of our best team guys. A 3rd pairing RD that can support the penalty kill, move to the top 4 temporarily, and also move the the puck relatively well should earn him a 2 year contract in the 2-3 Mil range. I hope we keep him on a short term deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, nuck-lifer said: With Myers added to the right side, I see Stecher's role decreased on the offensive side. Depending on our health he will not get the PP time he had last year, but he is reliable defensively and sacrifices himself for the team. One of our best team guys. A 3rd pairing RD that can support the penalty kill, move to the top 4 temporarily, and also move the the puck relatively well should earn him a 2 year contract in the 2-3 Mil range. I hope we keep him on a short term deal. I like Troy too, as I think we all do. He will definitely play second unit PK, but no chance he gets PP time, or he shouldn’t. His shot is a muffin, and he’s not exactly great with the puck on his stick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beni Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 3rd pairing guy shouldnt be getting 4M$. I think his days are numbered like Huttons if a couple of the prospects make the jump. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 8 hours ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: Wasn’t aware that adding 20-25 points a season from the blueline wasn’t “contributing like he needs to to stay in the NHL”. Shiny new toy syndrome in full effect here. Hutton had 20 points in 69 games. Biega? 16 points in just 41 games. What's your point? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 11 minutes ago, nuck-lifer said: With Myers added to the right side, I see Stecher's role decreased on the offensive side. Depending on our health he will not get the PP time he had last year, but he is reliable defensively and sacrifices himself for the team. One of our best team guys. A 3rd pairing RD that can support the penalty kill, move to the top 4 temporarily, and also move the the puck relatively well should earn him a 2 year contract in the 2-3 Mil range. I hope we keep him on a short term deal. Hmmm...….Sounds like another little dman we have named "Bulldog". 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 4 hours ago, EdgarM said: Hutton had 20 points in 69 games. Biega? 16 points in just 41 games. What's your point? I'm not going to $&!# on Biega because I think he's criminally underrated, but last time I checked Ben Hutton was a -23, while Stetcher led the team with a +9. You do understand that all of things work in conjunction with each other, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 On one level, Stecher provides a good counterbalance to Hughes. When Hughes isn't on the ice, Stecher provides more grit and reliable defense. I can see them both almost being opposite-game placeholders for each other from the small D perspective. My thing is ... our D is only going to get bigger - Tryamkin, Juolevi, Brisebois, Raffery - and Stecher could very well get squeezed out. And Woo looks to be progessing nicely. Stecher may very well get surpassed just in size and skill. I love Stecher's character and work ethic. That will carry him far but I do think he needs to make himself more indispensable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Barzal Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 This is probably a poor take but IMO if you're on the smaller end of the height spectrum and provide little to no contribution in the offensive end you have to Hamhuis-level in your own end. Stecher could get there but he isn't just yet. I don't see him being part of our defensive core moving forward. He's a serviceable third pairing defender currently but he doesn't have any dynamic qualities that make him worth keeping. He needs to separate himself in some way from the rest of the players. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googlie Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 18 hours ago, Salacious Crumb said: No. No I’m not. TS is a fringe NHL’r. That we have been in the toilet has given him an opportunity. Name a playoff team that he would crack the top 4... Try telling that to Team Canada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, Googlie said: Try telling that to Team Canada Good point. Troy is an excellent bottom pair NHL D man on any team, providing he’s not paid too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 15 minutes ago, Googlie said: Try telling that to Team Canada Is that the Team Canada that only ices Non-playoff Canadian Hockey Players? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 14 hours ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: Wasn’t aware that adding 20-25 points a season from the blueline wasn’t “contributing like he needs to to stay in the NHL”. Shiny new toy syndrome in full effect here. 6 hours ago, EdgarM said: Hutton had 20 points in 69 games. Biega? 16 points in just 41 games. What's your point? 1 hour ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: I'm not going to $&!# on Biega because I think he's criminally underrated, but last time I checked Ben Hutton was a -23, while Stetcher led the team with a +9. You do understand that all of things work in conjunction with each other, right? Your original argument said nothing about plus/minus. Your words not mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salacious Crumb Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Googlie said: Try telling that to Team Canada Well they did select players from teams not making the playoffs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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