smokes Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, janisahockeynut said: So SMOKES Are you suggesting that the 3rd OA Leafs, are doing it wrong? Or have a bad coach? 34 player movements this summer. Those turnovers have more to do with cap relief so they can keep their core players more than anything else. Vancouver did not have such Maple Leaf cap problems, That and a need to fix their crappy defence. Edited July 28, 2019 by smokes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 3 hours ago, the grinder said: he is just mad because he knows he is wrong travis greens first year the canucks went thru 35 players thru out the season plus 3 goalies , last year we went thru 45 players and used five goalies , and every year we added 3 to 5 new players to the roster and this year we added 4 quality nhlers to the lineup .. we finally have some quality pieces to be successful , and coach green will deploy them properly , and have them play well together ps now if jb can find one more scoring winger and a depth dman i think we will be set or we wait for the Russian invasion of podi and trymakin I might have misunderstood your last post...…..at any rate I am just fine with our management, coach, and our much improved roster My only concern is Utica and how it is being developed....hopefully the report I hear are wrong I still have my guys I would trade, but so does every team All is pretty good in Nutsville right now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 On 7/27/2019 at 10:06 AM, Wanless said: Loui Eriksson and his comments of being used in a role he's not used to being in are spot on. I'm not saying that green is causing Eriksson to suck but he's not using him in the role he's always played. It's odd that a 20-30 goal scorer 50-65 point player who has been relied on for scoring his whole career is being used as a matchup guy (once again I'm not saying green is the only reason but I'm questioning is deployment). The comment seemed more in frustration of the spotlight on Erikssons production than lashing out, understandable. I actually agree with this to a certain degree. For me it dates back to the intial press conference and interviews after Eriksson was signed. Both JB and WD said they wanted a guy who go could up and down the lineup, spread out the offensive. I've always felt the organization misread Eriksson's 30 goal season to be more offensively versatile than it really was. He was most successful in front of the net, slot, scoring off the rebound. But because of our deficiencies, we needed him to expand his roles. And the more he doesn't score, and takes on other roles, the more he gets moved around. I'm not excusing Eriksson's play - you've got to get with program - but I do think there was a disconnect or misreading from the very beginning on the management/coaching side as well. With Miller and Ferland now in the lineup, I do wonder if that stability in the Top 6 would play better to Loui's strengths and give Green the opportunity to use him where Eriksson has had the most success. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yung1 Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 I'm a huge Green fan but I think the criticism of his lineup construction and deployment is fair. The thread creator makes some really good points. With that said though, I think last year's lineup decisions were influenced by at least some priority being given to development and seeing what we had in some players. I think this year we might see more of a priority given to putting players in positions to succeed rather than putting them in positions to challenge them in order to see if they're capable and/or in order to develop them. Green is a young coach though, and I'm sure part of this is just that he has areas in which he needs to grow. As a person of high character, I'm confident he will improve in areas he's weak. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanless Posted July 29, 2019 Author Share Posted July 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Dr. Crossbar said: I actually agree with this to a certain degree. For me it dates back to the intial press conference and interviews after Eriksson was signed. Both JB and WD said they wanted a guy who go could up and down the lineup, spread out the offensive. I've always felt the organization misread Eriksson's 30 goal season to be more offensively versatile than it really was. He was most successful in front of the net, slot, scoring off the rebound. But because of our deficiencies, we needed him to expand his roles. And the more he doesn't score, and takes on other roles, the more he gets moved around. I'm not excusing Eriksson's play - you've got to get with program - but I do think there was a disconnect or misreading from the very beginning on the management/coaching side as well. With Miller and Ferland now in the lineup, I do wonder if that stability in the Top 6 would play better to Loui's strengths and give Green the opportunity to use him where Eriksson has had the most success. Definitely That's what I'm hoping for. My concern for this year, that I think many people missed, is how long can the team not compete for now with the roster before green is in the hot seat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the grinder Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 3 hours ago, Dr. Crossbar said: I actually agree with this to a certain degree. For me it dates back to the intial press conference and interviews after Eriksson was signed. Both JB and WD said they wanted a guy who go could up and down the lineup, spread out the offensive. I've always felt the organization misread Eriksson's 30 goal season to be more offensively versatile than it really was. He was most successful in front of the net, slot, scoring off the rebound. But because of our deficiencies, we needed him to expand his roles. And the more he doesn't score, and takes on other roles, the more he gets moved around. I'm not excusing Eriksson's play - you've got to get with program - but I do think there was a disconnect or misreading from the very beginning on the management/coaching side as well. With Miller and Ferland now in the lineup, I do wonder if that stability in the Top 6 would play better to Loui's strengths and give Green the opportunity to use him where Eriksson has had the most success. the biggest thing is coach green did give loui the chance to be in the top six and so did wille d , the loui thing has been going on for 3 years now , if loui played better there wouldn't be a discussion , and with the new comers there isn't room for loui in the top 6 anymore , we got loui for scoring right ? he has scored 30 goals in 3 seasons combined , that's on the player , not the coach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the grinder Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Wanless said: Definitely That's what I'm hoping for. My concern for this year, that I think many people missed, is how long can the team not compete for now with the roster before green is in the hot seat they are competing for the now, look at the free agents signings the trade for jt miller , the season hasn't even started and you want to hand green his walking papers lol the team is finally stocked with players to play the style green wants to play , we got bigger , have more grit and we are not going to be pushed around , green isn't going anywhere soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanless Posted July 29, 2019 Author Share Posted July 29, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, the grinder said: they are competing for the now, look at the free agents signings the trade for jt miller , the season hasn't even started and you want to hand green his walking papers lol the team is finally stocked with players to play the style green wants to play , we got bigger , have more grit and we are not going to be pushed around , green isn't going anywhere soon No I don't I never once said to fire him With this roster moving forward, if the team isn't legit in the hunt for a spot, should the idea of moving on from green be considered? I think that if can't get the team going it definitely needs to be considered. Just like how players shouldn't be gifted spots the coach should also not be gifted a spot But I guess if the team is not showing well you're ok with that Edited July 29, 2019 by Wanless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 3 hours ago, Wanless said: Definitely That's what I'm hoping for. My concern for this year, that I think many people missed, is how long can the team not compete for now with the roster before green is in the hot seat I think all eyes are on Green now that Benning improved the team. I'd say his hot seat begins game one of the season. We are competing. The new signings reflect that. He was brought in to develop youth but he's now being given the opportunity to win. If this team underachieves/underperforms, doesn't get into the playoffs, his seat will be even hotter the following season. Imo, he'll be gone before Benning if things go south. I want to see him succeed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanless Posted July 29, 2019 Author Share Posted July 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Dr. Crossbar said: I think all eyes are on Green now that Benning improved the team. I'd say his hot seat begins game one of the season. We are competing. The new signings reflect that. He was brought in to develop youth but he's now being given the opportunity to win. If this team underachieves/underperforms, doesn't get into the playoffs, his seat will be even hotter the following season. Imo, he'll be gone before Benning if things go south. I want to see him succeed. This Thanks for seeing the purpose of the thread 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the grinder Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 10 minutes ago, Wanless said: No I don't I never once said to fire him With this roster moving forward, if the team isn't legit in the hunt for a spot, should the idea of moving on from green be considered? I think that if can't get the team going it definitely needs to be considered. Just like how players shouldn't be gifted spots the coach should also not be gifted a spot But I guess if the team is not showing well you're ok with that lol moving on from a coach and firing him is the same , no the team will show well , they have improved in all the area got 2 dmen , 2 forwards all are vets with playoff experience , and all have size and grit , everything the canucks were lacking, , the one thing green does well he makes the team compete every night , coaching is least of the worries 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanless Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, the grinder said: lol moving on from a coach and firing him is the same , no the team will show well , they have improved in all the area got 2 dmen , 2 forwards all are vets with playoff experience , and all have size and grit , everything the canucks were lacking, , the one thing green does well he makes the team compete every night , coaching is least of the worries So you are arguing that he will do well I hope he does well And saying if his performance isn't great, should the conversation start to move on from him is far from me say I want to "hand him his walking papers" as you suggest. Where do you think the bottom line for Green is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 2 hours ago, the grinder said: the biggest thing is coach green did give loui the chance to be in the top six and so did wille d , the loui thing has been going on for 3 years now , if loui played better there wouldn't be a discussion , and with the new comers there isn't room for loui in the top 6 anymore , we got loui for scoring right ? he has scored 30 goals in 3 seasons combined , that's on the player , not the coach I don't disagree with what a lot of you're saying, I just see more to it and some accountability on both sides. If there was no validity to what I see, I wouldn't be seeing it. And I'm not convinced he was used as effectively for how he scores goals and where he had the most success. We got him for goal production but I do question whether we played to his strengths. And I do think it's fair to question that. I think we misread his offensive versatility. I can recall countless GDTs where I was screaming for WD and Green to get Eriksson in front of the net. We just weren't playing that type of game consistently. At the end of the day, sure, that's on the player. I see more to it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the grinder Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Wanless said: So you are arguing that he will do well I hope he does well And saying if his performance isn't great, should the conversation start to move on from him is far from me say I want to "hand him his walking papers" as you suggest. Where do you think the bottom line for Green is? lol whaever moving on and firing is the same thing , to be fair to green you give him this year the full year and see what he can do with a full nhl team , and if doesn't go to plan you make the change in the offseason when his contract is up but that's not gonna happen because coach green is a perfect fit for our team , like berube and brindamor they understand the game and have played it , besides what coach is available that is any better than green ? Edited July 30, 2019 by the grinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanless Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 1 minute ago, the grinder said: lol whaever moving on and firing is the same thing , to be fair to green you give him this year the full year and see what he can do with a full nhl team , and if doesn't go to plan you make the change in the offseason when his contract is up but that's gonna happen because coach green is a perfect fit for our team , like berube and brindamor they understand the game and have played it , besides what coach is available that is any better than green ? Ok so you haven't kept up with the thread at all if you're asking who is available as it's been discussed that no one is. And saying that if green can't perform that conversation should begin is not saying he should be fired But trollers be trolling so we're done LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Green is not to blame for our woes. We have simply not had a good team. We lacked secondary scoring and size. We lacked depth to cover for our ridiculously high injury rate. And we have had little by way of prospects until recently. We've been rebuilding. In spite all this, the team has somehow been competitive most nights. No, we didn't win a lot of games but we did better than I expected given the team we have iced. And I think we have Green to thank for that. Benning has changed this team, and while I still see a couple of holes, this season will say a lot about our direction and future. It will put a focus on what Benning has done, and how Green works with what he has been given. I would expect if we improve dramatically that Benning and Green are secure for a while. If we still suck, Green would probably be the first to go and if that doesn't work, Benning will follow. But honestly, I just don't see that happening. I think this team is going to surprise a lot of people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the grinder Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 4 hours ago, Wanless said: Ok so you haven't kept up with the thread at all if you're asking who is available as it's been discussed that no one is. And saying that if green can't perform that conversation should begin is not saying he should be fired But trollers be trolling so we're done LOL trolling lol I didnt ask who is available I asked you who is available then ? and the answer is no one right ? lol a conversation should begin and what does that conversation lead to hmmm getting let go fired handed walking papers what because I have a different opinion than you im a troll lol u keep on trolling your self then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck-lifer Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Green's deployment overall was pretty effective. You look at the percentage of player improvements under the coach, and considering we ran top 3 again for injuries most players excelled under Green. A few exceptions would be Pouliot, Gudbranson, and Eriksson. Pouliot and Gudbranson were thrown into roles that were above their ability. Eriksson is the interesting case. In my mind he doesn't fit with Petey's line, but he does compliment a stronger, heavier line such as Horvat/ Pearson where he had success there late in the year. With Ferland and Miller added to our lineup , I really think this will bring out the best in Loui as long as Green doesn't waste him on Beagles line again. something like this Ferland - Petey- Brock- 1 Pearson- Bo- Loui- 2A Baer- Miller- Jake- 2B Sutter- Beagle- Leivo- 4 Loui in the middle 6 would be the ideal situation IMO to maximize the player and more importantly maximize his value to unload this contract hopefully next summer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 14 hours ago, kloubek said: Green is not to blame for our woes. We have simply not had a good team. We lacked secondary scoring and size. We lacked depth to cover for our ridiculously high injury rate. And we have had little by way of prospects until recently. We've been rebuilding. In spite all this, the team has somehow been competitive most nights. No, we didn't win a lot of games but we did better than I expected given the team we have iced. And I think we have Green to thank for that. Benning has changed this team, and while I still see a couple of holes, this season will say a lot about our direction and future. It will put a focus on what Benning has done, and how Green works with what he has been given. I would expect if we improve dramatically that Benning and Green are secure for a while. If we still suck, Green would probably be the first to go and if that doesn't work, Benning will follow. But honestly, I just don't see that happening. I think this team is going to surprise a lot of people. Generally a GM gets only one gets out jail free card before getting axed (get to use a head coach he hired as a fall guy). Unless of course the team has done something tangible in the regular season / postseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 3 hours ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Generally a GM gets only one gets out jail free card before getting axed (get to use a head coach he hired as a fall guy). Unless of course the team has done something tangible in the regular season / postseason. Well my thinking is that Benning has done what he can to give us wins NOW. If we aren't competitive, the question would need to be asked if the players Benning got suck or if it us a result of not utilizing the players properly. I would imagine the first step would be to look at the coaching and to see if a new coach would spark our players better. The alternative is to get a new GM who would modify the personnel but that is a longer term solution. After completing a rebuild, I imagine ownership wants to win with the current roster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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