SilentSam Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, CanucksJay said: You summed up my points exactly. When you look at goals per dollar (COMPLETELY NOT WORTH IT). That wasnt the argument you were making though. You were saying if he made a mil, we would waive him and thats where I disagreed. Yes I would absolutely take Eriksson on the ice vs Reeves because 99% of the time, it will lead to either zero goals against OR a Canucks goal. The most you could hope for in a million dollar player is not get scored against while chipping in on offence every now and then. If he does other things like kill penalties, 1m well spent. But your argument is far passed hypothetical when he is a six mil man. His Capspace is stopping something better for us to acquire and his position on the team is retarding the progress of a prospect. we can ice a team without Eriksson, with just as good a pk. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 11 hours ago, janisahockeynut said: I am really torn on some of the scenario's, but I think it turns out this way. (Start of Season) Ferland Pettersson Boeser Edler Myers Markstrom Baertschi Horvat Miller Hughes Tanev Demko Pearson Sutter Eriksson Benn Stecher Leivo Beagle Virtanen Fantenberg Motte Goldobin Waived for Utica: Schaller and Biega Here is the Line Up once Roussel is game ready (Nov. 15th without Injuries) Ferland Pettersson Boeser Edler Myers Markstrom Baertschi Horvat Miller Hughes Tanev Demko Roussel Sutter Eriksson Benn Stecher Pearson Beagle Virtanen Fantenberg Motte Leivo Goldobin Here is the line Up after the TDL Ferland Pettersson Boeser Edler Myers Markstrom Pearson Horvat Miller Hughes Benn Demko Roussel Gaudette Eriksson Tryamkin Stecher Leivo Beagle * Virtanen Brisebois Motte Goldobin Possible Players Moved (Traded) Tanev...………..Tanev will become expendable if either Tryamkin signs or one of Brisebois/Juolevi play lights out. Benn plays well on the RHD. Sutter...………..No doubt Sutter is a stronger player than Gaudette, but short of Eriksson being traded, Benning has to clear cap Baertschi...……Baertschi needs to win his spot in the next 3 pre-season games. Pearson/Horvat/Miller is a heavy line and designed for the Playoffs *Virtanen...……"IF" Virtanen does not pick it up, and "IF" Benning feels there is someone to take his spot (Sutter?McEwen?) Jake is gone while he still has value. Jake is playing himself off the team, as it gets better. His give a $&!# factor is in question! We shall see! But, who in our system is better than Jake, long term? (3rd line..no one, 4th line...maybe McEwen?) Fantenberg…...Too much LHD talent to stick long term....great injury filler for someone.....I think Brisebois really surprised Players NHL Ready Gaudette...……Gaudette was an offensive star in College and he will be kept down to give him the minutes, but he is showing well. He could be kept as a RW But, IMO he has shown his whole career he can play Center. Time will tell if that is true. But he is NHL ready, that is for sure! Long term, it would be nice if he could improve his FO's and defensive play a little, as I see him as our 3rd line center of the future. Gotta be better in the FO circle! Brisebois...…...Brisebois, just looks so calm. He is a keeper, that is for sure. He is making me forget about getting Juolevi up asap, as quite frankly, he is better at this time. IMO, Brisebois, shows why the AHL is a great place to develop. McEwen...…….McEwen, has not made a big statemen, I was hoping for in pre-season, but then again, why would you expect a 4th liner to do that? He is a big body, with some solid skills, and puts in a strong effort every game. Jake should watch out for this guy Juolevi...……...Olli needs a break! And a whole season of success. IMO, he needs to stay down the season and be the "everything" player, he has the ability to be. IMO, Olli has the skills to be up, but not the reps. With Brisebois and Fanenberg already ahead of him, not to mention the possibility of Tryamkin's return. What is the rush? Tryamkin...…...Well? So, as much as I trumpet his return, it is far from being a sure thing. "IF" he comes back, he will make the Canuck defense, ominous, and certainly playoff ready. Sadly, I wonder how the Canucks will be able to keep him, if he does come back, as I am not sure he is Expansion Draft safe. But man, you have to admit, Edler, Myers, Benn, and Tryamkin, would scare the hell out of most forwards. Prospects to watch this year DiPietro...…….He is young, but I do not think he will be a NHL goalie (Sorry!) but he has the talent, just not the size. In saying that, players like him have had to fight their whole life to prove themselves.....DiPietro has done that. Here is to hoping I am wrong. Rathbone...…..Well, he played with Fox last year, and showed very well. Let's see what he has when he is the top dog. I have a nagging question with Rathbone Which is, being that Fox did not sign with his draft club and with the apparent depth at LHD that the Canucks have, will he even sign with us? I am hoping for big things with him this year, but I see him as a trading chip if he does. (Call me crazy!) Things change, let's see what happens. Madden...…….Great motor, smart, with great instincts. He will be interesting to watch. I hope he puts on some weight. He had a great first year, in the NCAA I hope he keeps on building on it, he could be our 3rd line center, if Gaudette moves to wing.....nice to have choices! Lind...…………Second year pro, that finished off last season much better. I think he looked great in our camps and pre-season. If he can continue his development and get a center to play with, I think he is a player you might see in 2 years. I have more faith in him than most. But I also know, that as long as this year has more improvement, that he has a chance. There is nothing wrong with a player taking 3/4 years to develop in the AHL. Woo...…...…….I am hoping he keeps on developing his offense. Last year, he just was not that far behind Montreal's Josh Brooks, who played on the U-20 National Team. I am hoping to see Jet, keep on developing. I thought he had a great development camp. A lot of hopes are pinned on him. Podkolzon and Hoglander………...both high end, skilled players...…...there is a lot to be excited about with these 2. Both will create a lot of discussion this year. Keppen and Focht……….I think Benning picked another couple of gems...….will be fun to see if they develop as they progress...…...consider them Bonus's Well thought out post... And think you hit the starting line up. Big question in still Baetschi or Pearson on 2nd line, and do we keep both once Roussel returns? With our standard injury luck, I don’t think we have to be too concerned yet, but its a good problem to have. Also not quite sure why Benning needs to clear cap space, unless its for Tryms return? Think we’ve got room for Roussel, when he returns already. Don’t see Sutter being traded yet. If Benning really believes in this team being able to reach play in the playoffs , he needs players, who has a strong D game. But you are very close Jan. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 12 hours ago, Knucklehd said: He has had plenty of chances just cannot seem to replicate his AHL success on the big stage. Spot on. Sink or swim time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlastPast Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, SilentSam said: those are AHL stats. If he did it in the AHL I would agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sonoman Posted September 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2019 9 hours ago, SilentSam said: He plays like a guy who in 3 years has scored 32 times and hit 21 times... those are AHL stats. If a guy wanted to be concerned about his salary, he could say that to-date we paid: $562,500.oo per goal and $857,142.oo per hit. Actually those figures are wrong because he picked up his $4m signing bonus a couple of months ago as prepayment for his fine work this season. So it’s $687,500.oo per goal and $1,047,619.oo per hit. Id say, “privileged player” just about sums it up. and to those thinking a 4th line role would be great for LE, give your head a shake.. we could only be so lucky that he lines up across from Ryan Reaves and his heated breath puts Loui on LTI . ... 100 bucks says phantom injuries and a great doctor try to save Eriksson from disgrace and embarrassment. He needs to develop an allergy to his equipment 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 21 hours ago, janisahockeynut said: I am really torn on some of the scenario's, but I think it turns out this way. (Start of Season) Ferland Pettersson Boeser Edler Myers Markstrom Baertschi Horvat Miller Hughes Tanev Demko Pearson Sutter Eriksson Benn Stecher Leivo Beagle Virtanen Fantenberg Motte Goldobin Waived for Utica: Schaller and Biega I see us waiving Goldobin over Biega at this point (barring Goldy actually showing a pulse in the remaining preseason). I'd also have Eriksson as 13th F with Leivo on the 3rd and Motte on 4LW...though if Virtanen doesn't get his (large) rear in gear, I could see Green sitting him for Loui. But yes, unless we have injuries or trades, things will get mighty interesting once Roussel returns. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 45 minutes ago, sonoman said: He needs to develop an allergy to his equipment Or lose his "love" for the game, while riding buses in Utica. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted September 23, 2019 Author Share Posted September 23, 2019 Reid Boucher, Ashton Sautner and Zane McIntyre have cleared waivers. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post aGENT Posted September 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Reid Boucher, Ashton Sautner and Zane McIntyre have cleared waivers. Main guy I was worried about. Glad he's still ours 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 22 hours ago, janisahockeynut said: I am really torn on some of the scenario's, but I think it turns out this way. (Start of Season) Ferland Pettersson Boeser Edler Myers Markstrom Baertschi Horvat Miller Hughes Tanev Demko Pearson Sutter Eriksson Benn Stecher Leivo Beagle Virtanen Fantenberg Motte Goldobin Waived for Utica: Schaller and Biega Here is the Line Up once Roussel is game ready (Nov. 15th without Injuries) Ferland Pettersson Boeser Edler Myers Markstrom Baertschi Horvat Miller Hughes Tanev Demko Roussel Sutter Eriksson Benn Stecher Pearson Beagle Virtanen Fantenberg Motte Leivo Goldobin Here is the line Up after the TDL Ferland Pettersson Boeser Edler Myers Markstrom Pearson Horvat Miller Hughes Benn Demko Roussel Gaudette Eriksson Tryamkin Stecher Leivo Beagle * Virtanen Brisebois Motte Goldobin Possible Players Moved (Traded) Tanev...………..Tanev will become expendable if either Tryamkin signs or one of Brisebois/Juolevi play lights out. Benn plays well on the RHD. Sutter...………..No doubt Sutter is a stronger player than Gaudette, but short of Eriksson being traded, Benning has to clear cap Baertschi...……Baertschi needs to win his spot in the next 3 pre-season games. Pearson/Horvat/Miller is a heavy line and designed for the Playoffs *Virtanen...……"IF" Virtanen does not pick it up, and "IF" Benning feels there is someone to take his spot (Sutter?McEwen?) Jake is gone while he still has value. Jake is playing himself off the team, as it gets better. His give a $&!# factor is in question! We shall see! But, who in our system is better than Jake, long term? (3rd line..no one, 4th line...maybe McEwen?) Fantenberg…...Too much LHD talent to stick long term....great injury filler for someone.....I think Brisebois really surprised Players NHL Ready Gaudette...……Gaudette was an offensive star in College and he will be kept down to give him the minutes, but he is showing well. He could be kept as a RW But, IMO he has shown his whole career he can play Center. Time will tell if that is true. But he is NHL ready, that is for sure! Long term, it would be nice if he could improve his FO's and defensive play a little, as I see him as our 3rd line center of the future. Gotta be better in the FO circle! Brisebois...…...Brisebois, just looks so calm. He is a keeper, that is for sure. He is making me forget about getting Juolevi up asap, as quite frankly, he is better at this time. IMO, Brisebois, shows why the AHL is a great place to develop. McEwen...…….McEwen, has not made a big statemen, I was hoping for in pre-season, but then again, why would you expect a 4th liner to do that? He is a big body, with some solid skills, and puts in a strong effort every game. Jake should watch out for this guy Juolevi...……...Olli needs a break! And a whole season of success. IMO, he needs to stay down the season and be the "everything" player, he has the ability to be. IMO, Olli has the skills to be up, but not the reps. With Brisebois and Fanenberg already ahead of him, not to mention the possibility of Tryamkin's return. What is the rush? Tryamkin...…...Well? So, as much as I trumpet his return, it is far from being a sure thing. "IF" he comes back, he will make the Canuck defense, ominous, and certainly playoff ready. Sadly, I wonder how the Canucks will be able to keep him, if he does come back, as I am not sure he is Expansion Draft safe. But man, you have to admit, Edler, Myers, Benn, and Tryamkin, would scare the hell out of most forwards. Prospects to watch this year DiPietro...…….He is young, but I do not think he will be a NHL goalie (Sorry!) but he has the talent, just not the size. In saying that, players like him have had to fight their whole life to prove themselves.....DiPietro has done that. Here is to hoping I am wrong. Rathbone...…..Well, he played with Fox last year, and showed very well. Let's see what he has when he is the top dog. I have a nagging question with Rathbone Which is, being that Fox did not sign with his draft club and with the apparent depth at LHD that the Canucks have, will he even sign with us? I am hoping for big things with him this year, but I see him as a trading chip if he does. (Call me crazy!) Things change, let's see what happens. Madden...…….Great motor, smart, with great instincts. He will be interesting to watch. I hope he puts on some weight. He had a great first year, in the NCAA I hope he keeps on building on it, he could be our 3rd line center, if Gaudette moves to wing.....nice to have choices! Lind...…………Second year pro, that finished off last season much better. I think he looked great in our camps and pre-season. If he can continue his development and get a center to play with, I think he is a player you might see in 2 years. I have more faith in him than most. But I also know, that as long as this year has more improvement, that he has a chance. There is nothing wrong with a player taking 3/4 years to develop in the AHL. Woo...…...…….I am hoping he keeps on developing his offense. Last year, he just was not that far behind Montreal's Josh Brooks, who played on the U-20 National Team. I am hoping to see Jet, keep on developing. I thought he had a great development camp. A lot of hopes are pinned on him. Podkolzon and Hoglander………...both high end, skilled players...…...there is a lot to be excited about with these 2. Both will create a lot of discussion this year. Keppen and Focht……….I think Benning picked another couple of gems...….will be fun to see if they develop as they progress...…...consider them Bonus's Fantastic post... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 focht is the most intriguing prospect we have he seems a lock for team canada which is unreal that we got him in 5th round 6’1 176 pounds lots of time to fill out next yr he will come into camp at like 185 easy benning keeps finding studs at the draft gaudette boeser petersson. hoglander edmonton cant even draft with 5 first overalls 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, aGENT said: I see us waiving Goldobin over Biega at this point (barring Goldy actually showing a pulse in the remaining preseason). I'd also have Eriksson as 13th F with Leivo on the 3rd and Motte on 4LW...though if Virtanen doesn't get his (large) rear in gear, I could see Green sitting him for Loui. But yes, unless we have injuries or trades, things will get mighty interesting once Roussel returns. I am a sceptic, and a little mistrusting I think that sometime one decision is based on another So, I know I will be in the minority here, but I think they keep Goldobin until Tryamkin is signed They are close, and I would imagine with Tryamkin's temperament, he would be some Pssed off If the Canucks waived or traded him now...... I can see Goldobin sticking around until then. ( they might actually be using Goldobin as a unofficial intermediary through this process) This is exactly Benning's MO, with Demko and McCann as the trigger was not pulled until after the Demko signed In Tryamkin's case the idea is don't give him any reasons not to come similar to Demko's don't give him any reason's not to sign Like I say......I guess it depends if you believe, there is actually someone a whole lot better to replace him......I don't think so So with that in mind, I keep Goldobin around, until I can't I mean, what does he get us in trade, anyways? Edited September 23, 2019 by janisahockeynut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: I am a septic, and a little mistrusting I think that sometime one decision is based on another So, I know I will be in the minority here, but I think they keep Goldobin until Tryamkin is signed They are close, and I would imagine with Tryamkin's temperament, he would be some Pssed off If the Canucks waived or traded him now...... I can see Goldobin sticking around until then. ( they might actually be using Goldobin as a unofficial intermediary through this process) This is exactly Benning's MO, with Demko and McCann as the trigger was not pulled until after the Demko signed In Tryamkin's case the idea is don't give him any reasons not to come similar to Demko's don't give him any reason's not to sign Like I say......I guess it depends if you believe, there is actually someone a whole lot better to replace him......I don't think so So with that in mind, I keep Goldobin around, until I can't I mean, what does he get us in trade, anyways? I'd just waive him to Utica.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Reid Boucher, Ashton Sautner and Zane McIntyre have cleared waivers. I was worried about Sautner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Just now, aGENT said: I'd just waive him to Utica.... Oh, I know how far out my idea is but is there a better way to protect all things involved Goldobin isn't exposed Gaudette gets some time with big minutes Tree isn't Pssd I would not do anything until we trade someone Then Goldobin becomes more usable I think he would be gone on waivers Question>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could Motte play Eriksson's position Because if he can, and there is no drop off in results(play) That is who I move If not status quo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: Oh, I know how far out my idea is but is there a better way to protect all things involved Goldobin isn't exposed Gaudette gets some time with big minutes Tree isn't Pssd I would not do anything until we trade someone Then Goldobin becomes more usable I think he would be gone on waivers Question>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could Motte play Eriksson's position Because if he can, and there is no drop off in results(play) That is who I move If not status quo If I'm Benning I'm not managing my team that way (keeping an undeserved player around because it may/may not have some small factor in Tryamkin coming back). I have very little reservations on waiving Goldy based on his play thus far. I also think it's more likely he clears than not. And if not...oh well, good luck on your new, clearly inferior team. We're not moving Motte IMO. Green (rightly) loves him. Seems to me like you're falling in to the 'Corrado trap'. Edited September 23, 2019 by aGENT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, aGENT said: If I'm Benning I'm not managing my team that way (keeping an undeserved player around because it may/may not have some small factor in Tryamkin coming back). I have very little reservations on waiving Goldy based on his play thus far. I also think it's more likely he clears than not. And if not...oh well, good luck on your new, clearly inferior team. We're not moving Motte IMO. Green (rightly) loves him. Seems to me like you're falling in to the 'Corrado trap'. No, you miss understood on Motte My question was, If we move/waive Eriksson would Motte do just as good of a job because if the answer is yes I move out Eriksson, way before Goldobin why shake something that does have to be? I am lukewarm on Goldobin But as much as Eriksson can play...….I want him gone So, wave Eriksson if Motte can play his spot I guess it is a question of how much you value Tryamkin, IMO Edited September 23, 2019 by janisahockeynut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 minute ago, janisahockeynut said: No, you miss understood on Motte My question was, If we move/waive Eriksson would Motte do just as good of a job because if the answer is yes I move out Eriksson, way before Goldobin why shake something that does have to be? I am lukewarm on Goldobin But as much as Eriksson can play...….I want him gone So, wave Eriksson if Motte can play his spot Except that (barring trades or further injuries) when Roussel returns, your back to waiving Goldobin again anyway. He's FAR more likely to clear to Utica now, during the preseason melee, than a month'ish in when other teams might have had injuries or junior players trail off on their 9 game stints etc. We can waive Eriksson at any time. He may as well be exempt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, aGENT said: Except that (barring trades or further injuries) when Roussel returns, your back to waiving Goldobin again anyway. He's FAR more likely to clear to Utica now, during the preseason melee, than a month'ish in when other teams might have had injuries or junior players trail off on their 9 game stints etc. We can waive Eriksson at any time. He may as well be exempt Not if you waive Eriksson instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Just now, janisahockeynut said: Not if you waive Eriksson instead Isn't Eriksson already waived in that scenario? As much as we may like, you can't waive him twice 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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