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5 minutes ago, CanucksJay said:

You summed up my points exactly. When you look at goals per dollar (COMPLETELY NOT WORTH IT). That wasnt the argument you were making though. You were saying if he made a mil, we would waive him and thats where I disagreed. Yes I would absolutely take Eriksson on the ice vs Reeves because 99% of the time, it will lead to either zero goals against OR a Canucks goal.

The most you could hope for in a million dollar player is not get scored against while chipping in on offence every now and then.  If he does other things like kill penalties, 1m well spent. 

But your argument is far passed hypothetical when he is a six mil man.  His Capspace is stopping something better for us to acquire and his position on the team is retarding the progress of a prospect.

we can ice a team without Eriksson, with just as good a pk.

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11 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:

I am really torn on some of the scenario's, but I think it turns out this way. (Start of Season)

 

Ferland     Pettersson      Boeser                               Edler       Myers                             Markstrom

Baertschi      Horvat         Miller                                 Hughes   Tanev                              Demko

Pearson        Sutter         Eriksson                             Benn      Stecher  

Leivo            Beagle        Virtanen                                Fantenberg

          Motte          Goldobin

 

Waived for Utica: Schaller and Biega

 

Here is the Line Up once Roussel is game ready (Nov. 15th without Injuries)

 

Ferland     Pettersson      Boeser                               Edler       Myers                             Markstrom

Baertschi      Horvat         Miller                                 Hughes   Tanev                              Demko

Roussel        Sutter         Eriksson                             Benn      Stecher  

Pearson       Beagle        Virtanen                                Fantenberg

          Motte          Leivo

                 Goldobin

 

Here is the line Up after the TDL

 

Ferland     Pettersson      Boeser                               Edler         Myers                            Markstrom

Pearson      Horvat          Miller                                  Hughes     Benn                              Demko

Roussel      Gaudette       Eriksson                            Tryamkin    Stecher  

Leivo          Beagle          * Virtanen                                   Brisebois

          Motte          Goldobin

 

Possible Players Moved (Traded)

 

Tanev...………..Tanev will become expendable if either Tryamkin signs or one of Brisebois/Juolevi play lights out. Benn plays well on the RHD. 

Sutter...………..No doubt Sutter is a stronger player than Gaudette, but short of Eriksson being traded, Benning has to clear cap

Baertschi...……Baertschi needs to win his spot in the next 3 pre-season games. Pearson/Horvat/Miller is a heavy line and designed for the Playoffs

*Virtanen...……"IF" Virtanen does not pick it up, and "IF" Benning feels there is someone to take his spot (Sutter?McEwen?)

                         Jake is gone while he still has value. Jake is playing himself off the team, as it gets better. His give a $&!# factor is in question! We shall see!

                         But, who in our system is better than Jake, long term? (3rd line..no one, 4th line...maybe McEwen?)

Fantenberg…...Too much LHD talent to stick long term....great injury filler for someone.....I think Brisebois really surprised

 

Players NHL Ready

 

Gaudette...……Gaudette was an offensive star in College and he will be kept down to give him the minutes, but he is showing well. He could be kept as a RW

                         But, IMO he has shown his whole career he can play Center. Time will tell if that is true. But he is NHL ready, that is for sure! Long term, it would

                         be nice if he could improve his FO's and defensive play a little, as I see him as our 3rd line center of the future. Gotta be better in the FO circle!

 

Brisebois...…...Brisebois, just looks so calm. He is a keeper, that is for sure. He is making me forget about getting Juolevi up asap, as quite frankly, he is better

                        at this time. IMO, Brisebois, shows why the AHL is a great place to develop.

 

McEwen...…….McEwen, has not made a big statemen, I was hoping for in pre-season, but then again, why would you expect a 4th liner to do that? He is a big

                         body, with some solid skills, and puts in a strong effort every game. Jake should watch out for this guy

 

Juolevi...……...Olli needs a break! And a whole season of success. IMO, he needs to stay down the season and be the "everything" player, he has the ability to

                        be. IMO, Olli has the skills to be up, but not the reps. With Brisebois and Fanenberg already ahead of him, not to mention the possibility of 

                        Tryamkin's return. What is the rush?

 

Tryamkin...…...Well? So, as much as I trumpet his return, it is far from being a sure thing. "IF" he comes back, he will make the Canuck defense, ominous, and

                        certainly playoff ready. Sadly, I wonder how the Canucks will be able to keep him, if he does come back, as I am not sure he is Expansion Draft

                        safe. But man, you have to admit, Edler, Myers, Benn, and Tryamkin, would scare the hell out of most forwards. 

 

Prospects to watch this year

 

DiPietro...…….He is young, but I do not think he will be a NHL goalie (Sorry!) but he has the talent, just not the size. In saying that, players like him have had to 

                        fight their whole life to prove themselves.....DiPietro has done that. Here is to hoping I am wrong.

 

Rathbone...…..Well, he played with Fox last year, and showed very well. Let's see what he has when he is the top dog. I have a nagging question with Rathbone

                        Which is, being that Fox did not sign with his draft club and with the apparent depth at LHD that the Canucks have, will he even sign with us? I am 

                        hoping for big things with him this year, but I see him as a trading chip if he does. (Call me crazy!) Things change, let's see what happens.

 

Madden...…….Great motor, smart, with great instincts. He will be interesting to watch. I hope he puts on some weight. He had a great first year, in the NCAA

                        I hope he keeps on building on it, he could be our 3rd line center, if Gaudette moves to wing.....nice to have choices!

 

Lind...…………Second year pro, that finished off last season much better. I think he looked great in our camps and pre-season. If he can continue his development

                        and get a center to play with, I think he is a player you might see in 2 years. I have more faith in him than most. But I also know, that as long as this

                        year has more improvement, that he has a chance. There is nothing wrong with a player taking 3/4 years to develop in the AHL.

 

Woo...…...…….I am hoping he keeps on developing his offense. Last year, he just was not that far behind Montreal's Josh Brooks, who played on the U-20 National

                         Team. I am hoping to see Jet, keep on developing. I thought he had a great development camp. A lot of hopes are pinned on him.

 

 

Podkolzon and Hoglander………...both high end, skilled players...…...there is a lot to be excited about with these 2. Both will create a lot of discussion this year.

 

Keppen and Focht……….I think Benning picked another couple of gems...….will be fun to see if they develop as they progress...…...consider them Bonus's

 

 

 

 

 

                 

 

Well thought out post...

And think you hit the starting line up. 

 

Big question in still Baetschi or Pearson on 2nd line, and do we keep both once Roussel returns? 

With our standard injury luck, I don’t think we have to be too concerned yet, but its a good problem to have. 

 

Also not quite sure why Benning needs to clear cap space, unless its for Tryms return? Think we’ve got room for Roussel, when he returns already. 

 

Don’t see Sutter being traded yet. If Benning really believes in this team being able to reach play in the playoffs , he needs players, who has a strong D game. 

 

But you are very close Jan. 

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21 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:

I am really torn on some of the scenario's, but I think it turns out this way. (Start of Season)

 

Ferland     Pettersson      Boeser                               Edler       Myers                             Markstrom

Baertschi      Horvat         Miller                                 Hughes   Tanev                              Demko

Pearson        Sutter         Eriksson                             Benn      Stecher  

Leivo            Beagle        Virtanen                                Fantenberg

          Motte          Goldobin

 

Waived for Utica: Schaller and Biega               

I see us waiving Goldobin over Biega at this point (barring Goldy actually showing a pulse in the remaining preseason). I'd also have Eriksson as 13th F with Leivo on the 3rd and Motte on 4LW...though if Virtanen doesn't get his (large) rear in gear, I could see Green sitting him for Loui.

 

But yes, unless we have injuries or trades, things will get mighty interesting once Roussel returns.

 

 

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22 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:

I am really torn on some of the scenario's, but I think it turns out this way. (Start of Season)

 

Ferland     Pettersson      Boeser                               Edler       Myers                             Markstrom

Baertschi      Horvat         Miller                                 Hughes   Tanev                              Demko

Pearson        Sutter         Eriksson                             Benn      Stecher  

Leivo            Beagle        Virtanen                                Fantenberg

          Motte          Goldobin

 

Waived for Utica: Schaller and Biega

 

Here is the Line Up once Roussel is game ready (Nov. 15th without Injuries)

 

Ferland     Pettersson      Boeser                               Edler       Myers                             Markstrom

Baertschi      Horvat         Miller                                 Hughes   Tanev                              Demko

Roussel        Sutter         Eriksson                             Benn      Stecher  

Pearson       Beagle        Virtanen                                Fantenberg

          Motte          Leivo

                 Goldobin

 

Here is the line Up after the TDL

 

Ferland     Pettersson      Boeser                               Edler         Myers                            Markstrom

Pearson      Horvat          Miller                                  Hughes     Benn                              Demko

Roussel      Gaudette       Eriksson                            Tryamkin    Stecher  

Leivo          Beagle          * Virtanen                                   Brisebois

          Motte          Goldobin

 

Possible Players Moved (Traded)

 

Tanev...………..Tanev will become expendable if either Tryamkin signs or one of Brisebois/Juolevi play lights out. Benn plays well on the RHD. 

Sutter...………..No doubt Sutter is a stronger player than Gaudette, but short of Eriksson being traded, Benning has to clear cap

Baertschi...……Baertschi needs to win his spot in the next 3 pre-season games. Pearson/Horvat/Miller is a heavy line and designed for the Playoffs

*Virtanen...……"IF" Virtanen does not pick it up, and "IF" Benning feels there is someone to take his spot (Sutter?McEwen?)

                         Jake is gone while he still has value. Jake is playing himself off the team, as it gets better. His give a $&!# factor is in question! We shall see!

                         But, who in our system is better than Jake, long term? (3rd line..no one, 4th line...maybe McEwen?)

Fantenberg…...Too much LHD talent to stick long term....great injury filler for someone.....I think Brisebois really surprised

 

Players NHL Ready

 

Gaudette...……Gaudette was an offensive star in College and he will be kept down to give him the minutes, but he is showing well. He could be kept as a RW

                         But, IMO he has shown his whole career he can play Center. Time will tell if that is true. But he is NHL ready, that is for sure! Long term, it would

                         be nice if he could improve his FO's and defensive play a little, as I see him as our 3rd line center of the future. Gotta be better in the FO circle!

 

Brisebois...…...Brisebois, just looks so calm. He is a keeper, that is for sure. He is making me forget about getting Juolevi up asap, as quite frankly, he is better

                        at this time. IMO, Brisebois, shows why the AHL is a great place to develop.

 

McEwen...…….McEwen, has not made a big statemen, I was hoping for in pre-season, but then again, why would you expect a 4th liner to do that? He is a big

                         body, with some solid skills, and puts in a strong effort every game. Jake should watch out for this guy

 

Juolevi...……...Olli needs a break! And a whole season of success. IMO, he needs to stay down the season and be the "everything" player, he has the ability to

                        be. IMO, Olli has the skills to be up, but not the reps. With Brisebois and Fanenberg already ahead of him, not to mention the possibility of 

                        Tryamkin's return. What is the rush?

 

Tryamkin...…...Well? So, as much as I trumpet his return, it is far from being a sure thing. "IF" he comes back, he will make the Canuck defense, ominous, and

                        certainly playoff ready. Sadly, I wonder how the Canucks will be able to keep him, if he does come back, as I am not sure he is Expansion Draft

                        safe. But man, you have to admit, Edler, Myers, Benn, and Tryamkin, would scare the hell out of most forwards. 

 

Prospects to watch this year

 

DiPietro...…….He is young, but I do not think he will be a NHL goalie (Sorry!) but he has the talent, just not the size. In saying that, players like him have had to 

                        fight their whole life to prove themselves.....DiPietro has done that. Here is to hoping I am wrong.

 

Rathbone...…..Well, he played with Fox last year, and showed very well. Let's see what he has when he is the top dog. I have a nagging question with Rathbone

                        Which is, being that Fox did not sign with his draft club and with the apparent depth at LHD that the Canucks have, will he even sign with us? I am 

                        hoping for big things with him this year, but I see him as a trading chip if he does. (Call me crazy!) Things change, let's see what happens.

 

Madden...…….Great motor, smart, with great instincts. He will be interesting to watch. I hope he puts on some weight. He had a great first year, in the NCAA

                        I hope he keeps on building on it, he could be our 3rd line center, if Gaudette moves to wing.....nice to have choices!

 

Lind...…………Second year pro, that finished off last season much better. I think he looked great in our camps and pre-season. If he can continue his development

                        and get a center to play with, I think he is a player you might see in 2 years. I have more faith in him than most. But I also know, that as long as this

                        year has more improvement, that he has a chance. There is nothing wrong with a player taking 3/4 years to develop in the AHL.

 

Woo...…...…….I am hoping he keeps on developing his offense. Last year, he just was not that far behind Montreal's Josh Brooks, who played on the U-20 National

                         Team. I am hoping to see Jet, keep on developing. I thought he had a great development camp. A lot of hopes are pinned on him.

 

 

Podkolzon and Hoglander………...both high end, skilled players...…...there is a lot to be excited about with these 2. Both will create a lot of discussion this year.

 

Keppen and Focht……….I think Benning picked another couple of gems...….will be fun to see if they develop as they progress...…...consider them Bonus's

 

 

 

 

 

                 

 

Fantastic post...

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focht is the most intriguing prospect we have he seems a lock for team canada which is unreal that we got him in 5th round 6’1 176 pounds lots of time to fill out  next yr he will come into camp at like 185 easy  benning keeps finding studs at the draft  gaudette boeser petersson. hoglander    edmonton cant even draft with 5 first overalls

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5 hours ago, aGENT said:

I see us waiving Goldobin over Biega at this point (barring Goldy actually showing a pulse in the remaining preseason). I'd also have Eriksson as 13th F with Leivo on the 3rd and Motte on 4LW...though if Virtanen doesn't get his (large) rear in gear, I could see Green sitting him for Loui.

 

But yes, unless we have injuries or trades, things will get mighty interesting once Roussel returns.

 

 

I am a sceptic, and a little mistrusting

I think that sometime one decision is based on another

So, I know I will be in the minority here, but

I think they keep Goldobin until Tryamkin is signed

They are close, and I would imagine with

Tryamkin's temperament, he would be some Pssed off

If the Canucks waived or traded him now......

I can see Goldobin sticking around until then.

( they might actually be using Goldobin as a unofficial intermediary through this process)

 

This is exactly Benning's MO, with Demko and McCann

as the trigger was not pulled until after the Demko signed

 

In Tryamkin's case the idea is don't give him any reasons not to come

similar to

Demko's don't give him any reason's not to sign 

 

Like I say......I guess it depends if you believe, there is actually someone

a whole lot better to replace him......I don't think so

So with that in mind, I keep Goldobin around, until I can't

I mean, what does he get us in trade, anyways?

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3 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

I am a septic, and a little mistrusting

I think that sometime one decision is based on another

So, I know I will be in the minority here, but

I think they keep Goldobin until Tryamkin is signed

They are close, and I would imagine with

Tryamkin's temperament, he would be some Pssed off

If the Canucks waived or traded him now......

I can see Goldobin sticking around until then.

( they might actually be using Goldobin as a unofficial intermediary through this process)

 

This is exactly Benning's MO, with Demko and McCann

as the trigger was not pulled until after the Demko signed

 

In Tryamkin's case the idea is don't give him any reasons not to come

similar to

Demko's don't give him any reason's not to sign 

 

Like I say......I guess it depends if you believe, there is actually someone

a whole lot better to replace him......I don't think so

So with that in mind, I keep Goldobin around, until I can't

I mean, what does he get us in trade, anyways?

I'd just waive him to Utica....

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I'd just waive him to Utica....

Oh, I know how far out my idea is

but is there a better way to protect all things involved

Goldobin isn't exposed

Gaudette gets some time with big minutes

Tree isn't Pssd

I would not do anything until we trade someone

Then Goldobin becomes more usable

 

I think he would be gone on waivers

 

Question>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Could Motte play Eriksson's position

Because if he can, and there is no drop off in results(play)

That is who I move

 

If not status quo

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6 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

Oh, I know how far out my idea is

but is there a better way to protect all things involved

Goldobin isn't exposed

Gaudette gets some time with big minutes

Tree isn't Pssd

I would not do anything until we trade someone

Then Goldobin becomes more usable

 

I think he would be gone on waivers

 

Question>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Could Motte play Eriksson's position

Because if he can, and there is no drop off in results(play)

That is who I move

 

If not status quo

If I'm Benning I'm not managing my team that way (keeping an undeserved player around because it may/may not have some small factor in Tryamkin coming back).

 

I have very little reservations on waiving Goldy based on his play thus far. I also think it's more likely he clears than not. And if not...oh well, good luck on your new, clearly inferior team.

 

We're not moving Motte IMO. Green (rightly) loves him.

 

Seems to me like you're falling in to the 'Corrado trap'.

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8 minutes ago, aGENT said:

If I'm Benning I'm not managing my team that way (keeping an undeserved player around because it may/may not have some small factor in Tryamkin coming back).

 

I have very little reservations on waiving Goldy based on his play thus far. I also think it's more likely he clears than not. And if not...oh well, good luck on your new, clearly inferior team.

 

We're not moving Motte IMO. Green (rightly) loves him.

 

Seems to me like you're falling in to the 'Corrado trap'.

No, you miss understood on Motte

My question was, If we move/waive Eriksson would Motte do just as good of a job

because if the answer is yes

I move out Eriksson, way before Goldobin

why shake something that does have to be?

I am lukewarm on Goldobin

But as much as Eriksson can play...….I want him gone

So, wave Eriksson if Motte can play his spot

 

I guess it is a question of how much you value Tryamkin, IMO

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1 minute ago, janisahockeynut said:

No, you miss understood on Motte

My question was, If we move/waive Eriksson would Motte do just as good of a job

because if the answer is yes

I move out Eriksson, way before Goldobin

why shake something that does have to be?

I am lukewarm on Goldobin

But as much as Eriksson can play...….I want him gone

So, wave Eriksson if Motte can play his spot

Except that (barring trades or further injuries) when Roussel returns, your back to waiving Goldobin again anyway. He's FAR more likely to clear to Utica now, during the preseason melee, than a month'ish in when other teams might have had injuries or junior players trail off on their 9 game stints etc.

 

We can waive Eriksson at any time. He may as well be exempt :lol:

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3 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Except that (barring trades or further injuries) when Roussel returns, your back to waiving Goldobin again anyway. He's FAR more likely to clear to Utica now, during the preseason melee, than a month'ish in when other teams might have had injuries or junior players trail off on their 9 game stints etc.

 

We can waive Eriksson at any time. He may as well be exempt :lol:

Not if you waive Eriksson instead :bigblush:

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