Chiropractor or a real doctor?

[Rounoush]

Physiotherapists and chiropractors are basically the same. If you go to a physiotherapist, he will most like do some chiropractic adjustments on you.

 

I went to a physiotherapist after my back went out about a year ago. After weeks of visiting him, I only really started getting better after he did some adjustments on my back. I would definitely recommend doing the same though. Your back gave out because something moved out of place. It needs to be readjusted.

[Agoork]

Any PT or Chiropractor that isn't a hack will know a fair bit about what the other profession does, and why, and they all  know a lot about how the body works and whatnot.  Any good one will refer you to the other profession if it is in your best interest for the problem that you have.  If they are telling you not to go see the other profession, that is a danger flag to me, and I would probably run away from that practitioner asap, as they are probably just trying to milk you for all they can.

 

As I mentioned before, my ex wife is a Chiropractor, and a damn good one.  I'm not sure how it is in Canada, but in Denmark, where she was educated, it is a 5 year university masters degree  ... plus a mandatory 1 year practical stint in a chiropractic clinic.  Though Chiropractors are not "allowed" to officially diagnose things and prescribe medicine, they can diagnose a ton of issues and refer you to a doctor or to a physiotherapist, massage therapist or whatever.  She once had a female patient who - after thoroughly examining her and performing motion and flexiblity tests and the like - immediately sent the patient to her doctor.  She contacted the doctor and told him that she suspected the patient had cancer (I can't remember what type of cancer), and sure enough, after visiting her doctor, the patient was under treatment for Cancer within days.

 

Recently, our own son fell  at school and couldn't move his arm.  I drove him to his mothers office, she examined his arm and thought it was broken.  They don't have x-ray machines there, but she used an ultrasound to look at his arm and could see the break.  I was there and saw the whole thing - it was quite cool, and though not the right tool to use for seeing if an arm is broken, it worked.  Anyways.... we took him to the emergency room, and the admitting nurse/doctor did the usual round of questions about where it hurt, could he move his hand etc, and were very skeptical that it was broken, and thought he probably just needed painkillers.  After insisting on an x-ray, they reluctantly agreed and sent us up to x-ray.  And yes, it turned out that there was a very clear break on his ulna.  Long story short, he ended up with a titanium plate in his arm with 6 screws.

 

So, basically to say that Chiropractors are not doctors - though true in some sense - is also utter bull$&!#.

 

 

Edited September 6, 2019 by Agoork

[Duodenum]

7 minutes ago, Agoork said:

 

So, basically to say that Chiropractors are not doctors - though true in some sense - is also utter bull$&!#.

 

 

Thing you're taking it the wrong way.

A chiro is a "doctor" only because their college chooses to call them that. They have huge percentages of anti-vax practitioners and other stupidity (ie claiming to cure ailments unrelated to spinal manipulation) polluting their ranks. Roughly 30% are anti-vax according to surveys so you aren't going to get any respect when almost a third of the profession is an outright joke. They aren't any more important than a physiotherapist, yet they don't call themselves doctors. Pharmacists graduate with a doctor's degree in pharmacy now but they only call themselves doctor such and such outside of a pharmacy, mostly not even then. Nurse practitioners can diagnose and prescribe medications but don't call themselves doctor.

A lot of people are reserved to only calling physicians/specialists/pHds doctors because they're the most knowledgeable, the best trained, and bank the most experiential hours. Chiros are no higher than a number of medical professions and probably below quite a few of them who don't call themselves doctor.

[DrJockitch]

9 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:

It is also true that doctors are the number one cause of Opioid Addiction

As I said above we have lousy tools to deal with back pain.  

Narcotics are one of the hardest things to deal with in day to day practice, or to take a step back pain control as a whole.  I don't like prescribing them and very few doctors feel comfortable doing so.  Unfortunately a few do and it makes it so much harder for the rest of us.  Frankly, I wish that Narcotics would work under similar rules to what medical marijuana used to where it could only be prescribed by certain physicians and for certain conditions.

However, none of this is relevant as to whether a dangerous procedure with limited evidence of benefit should be done on a regular basis.

[NucksPatsFan]

7 hours ago, Rounoush said:

Physiotherapists and chiropractors are basically the same. If you go to a physiotherapist, he will most like do some chiropractic adjustments on you.

 

I went to a physiotherapist after my back went out about a year ago. After weeks of visiting him, I only really started getting better after he did some adjustments on my back. I would definitely recommend doing the same though. Your back gave out because something moved out of place. It needs to be readjusted.

There’s no scientific evidence manipulations/adjustments do anything. Nor is there any evidence that things “being out of place” (something else that isn’t real except minor cervical subluxations) cause pain.
 

“Not only are structural explanations for pain generally unsupported by any scientific evidence, the last 25 years of research results mostly undermines them, often impressively.”

 

Placebo effect is quite amazing. 
 

Chiropractors are highly educated (4 year program post undergrad) and the really good chiropractors don’t rely on manipulations but rather take components from kinesiology and Physiotherapy and massage therapy and provide a holistic treatment focused on addressing the problems manually and teaching the patient how they can use corrective exercises to keep improving at home. If you want a good chiropractic experience who won’t just sell you on “the crack” and use buzzwords aka false advertisement like “out of alignment” and “get you straightened out” go to one who has graduated after 2012. 
 

Also Most people don’t realize you only see your therapist 20–40 minutes a week. That’s not going to overpower the other 100+ hours of your week where you sit with your poor posture and use poor lifting mechanics etc. The biggest gripe of any clinician is patients who don’t do their home exercises

[I.Am.Ironman]

27 minutes ago, NucksPatsFan said:

There’s no scientific evidence manipulations/adjustments do anything. Nor is there any evidence that things “being out of place” (something else that isn’t real except minor cervical subluxations) cause pain.
 

“Not only are structural explanations for pain generally unsupported by any scientific evidence, the last 25 years of research results mostly undermines them, often impressively.”

 

Placebo effect is quite amazing. 
 

Chiropractors are highly educated (4 year program post undergrad) and the really good chiropractors don’t rely on manipulations but rather take components from kinesiology and Physiotherapy and massage therapy and provide a holistic treatment focused on addressing the problems manually and teaching the patient how they can use corrective exercises to keep improving at home. If you want a good chiropractic experience who won’t just sell you on “the crack” and use buzzwords aka false advertisement like “out of alignment” and “get you straightened out” go to one who has graduated after 2012. 
 

Also Most people don’t realize you only see your therapist 20–40 minutes a week. That’s not going to overpower the other 100+ hours of your week where you sit with your poor posture and use poor lifting mechanics etc. The biggest gripe of any clinician is patients who don’t do their home exercises

"my (insert vertebrae) is out of place" gets me going. Having seen the spinal ligamentous attachments on a cadaver you can really appreciate how hard it is to move those bones.

[khay]

Depends on what the problem is.

 

I've had good experiences with chiro when it comes to stiffness and improving range of motion due to small muscle mis-alignment and things like that. For example, I couldn't drive for a while because I couldn't turn my neck to do a shoulder check. Chiro helped with that. If it's something beyond that, like you have a disc problem or something, then go see a doctor.

[timberz21]

19 hours ago, stanleypuck said:

My recently gave out and a few people I know said I should see a chiropractor or a doctor.

 

No offence, but I don't consider chiropractors as "doctors". More like alternative medicinal people . . .

That said, my friends who did go for chiropractor clinics only have positive things to say about them.

 

So my choice is pay more and go to a chiropractor (Private faster treatment) or pay almost 50% less and go to a medical doctor and deal with the current waiting list, etc.

 

Has anyone here used chiropractors before?

 

Thx!

 

Funny that you don't seem to trust a Chiropractor or don't consider them real doctors....but you will trust the opinion of random people by asking the question on CDC ? 

 

Logic 101.

[Tortorella's Rant]

I went to physio after hurting myself doing deadlifts. They do some stuff that helps but ultimately time is your best friend here.. as long as that may take. 

[bishopshodan]

2 hours ago, I.Am.Ironman said:

The biggest gripe of any clinician is patients who don’t do their home exercises

a- "its not getting better"

b- "did you do the stuff I showed you that will help it get better?"

a- "no, I didn't feel like it, too busy with all my social media commitments, is there no magic fix? You're the specialist"

b- "no, you have to rehab and put the work in"

a- " I'm going to go to another type of clinic then, but first, is there a Mcdonalds near by? I skipped breakfast so I want grab an ice cream cone"

 

[I.Am.Ironman]

6 hours ago, bishopshodan said:

a- "its not getting better"

b- "did you do the stuff I showed you that will help it get better?"

a- "no, I didn't feel like it, too busy with all my social media commitments, is there no magic fix? You're the specialist"

b- "no, you have to rehab and put the work in"

a- " I'm going to go to another type of clinic then, but first, is there a Mcdonalds near by? I skipped breakfast so I want grab an ice cream cone"

 

That wasn't my quote but this is more spot on than most people thin or realize or admit

[riffraff]

22 hours ago, bishopshodan said:

a- "its not getting better"

b- "did you do the stuff I showed you that will help it get better?"

a- "no, I didn't feel like it, too busy with all my social media commitments, is there no magic fix? You're the specialist"

b- "no, you have to rehab and put the work in"

a- " I'm going to go to another type of clinic then, but first, is there a Mcdonalds near by? I skipped breakfast so I want grab an ice cream cone"

 

Absolutely nailed it.

 

sedentary life

 

$&!# diet

 

prescription drugs

 

free healthcare

[MeanSeanBean]

On 9/5/2019 at 10:14 PM, riffraff said:

Chiro physio accu IMS 

 

all can help

as a massage therapist, gonna have say you are missing a biggie on that list haha

 

IMS is criminally underrated for muscle issues though, and shockwave for the right conditions is a straight up miracle 

[MeanSeanBean]

22 hours ago, bishopshodan said:

a- "its not getting better"

b- "did you do the stuff I showed you that will help it get better?"

a- "no, I didn't feel like it, too busy with all my social media commitments, is there no magic fix? You're the specialist"

b- "no, you have to rehab and put the work in"

a- " I'm going to go to another type of clinic then, but first, is there a Mcdonalds near by? I skipped breakfast so I want grab an ice cream cone"

 

the realness of this post was astonishing 

[MeanSeanBean]

On 9/5/2019 at 11:23 PM, Rounoush said:

Physiotherapists and chiropractors are basically the same. If you go to a physiotherapist, he will most like do some chiropractic adjustments on you.

 

I went to a physiotherapist after my back went out about a year ago. After weeks of visiting him, I only really started getting better after he did some adjustments on my back. I would definitely recommend doing the same though. Your back gave out because something moved out of place. It needs to be readjusted.

They are very different. Our clinic has a dozen physios and half that of chrios so I have worked closely with both. Chiros focus much more on structural tweaks and realigning those segments. Yes, phisos also have access to some basic adjustments, but they legally just do not have the scope of practice to do what a Chiro does. A physio is much more concerned with the body on a whole, diagnosing why the body is not working right, and implementing a plan to fix that (usually through some office manual work and a lot of self care at home). Chiros are much more in the moment, if something structurally is off, they will try to fix it.  

 

Generally I do prefer Physios more for patients who are willing to take the initiative and place their health in their hands. For a quick fix, a Chrio or Massage is generally more effective because it doesn't rely nearly as much on homecare.

[Alflives]

11 minutes ago, shayster007 said:

They are very different. Our clinic has a dozen physios and half that of chrios so I have worked closely with both. Chiros focus much more on structural tweaks and realigning those segments. Yes, phisos also have access to some basic adjustments, but they legally just do not have the scope of practice to do what a Chiro does. A physio is much more concerned with the body on a whole, diagnosing why the body is not working right, and implementing a plan to fix that (usually through some office manual work and a lot of self care at home). Chiros are much more in the moment, if something structurally is off, they will try to fix it.  

 

Generally I do prefer Physios more for patients who are willing to take the initiative and place their health in their hands. For a quick fix, a Chrio or Massage is generally more effective because it doesn't rely nearly as much on homecare.

Would getting the muscles relaxed, through massage or physio, make chiropractic adjustments easier on the patient?

[MeanSeanBean]

28 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Would getting the muscles relaxed, through massage or physio, make chiropractic adjustments easier on the patient?

Very much so. Muscles pull bones, bones anchor muscles. If the bones are out of the place, the most likely reason is soft tissue.  

[Alflives]

13 minutes ago, shayster007 said:

Very much so. Muscles pull bones, bones anchor muscles. If the bones are out of the place, the most likely reason is soft tissue.  

I’m assuming patients needing a chiropractor have tight muscles in the areas needing adjustments.  The question begs, why would anyone go to a chiropractor who isn’t working with Physio and Massage therapists?  

[riffraff]

2 hours ago, shayster007 said:

as a massage therapist, gonna have say you are missing a biggie on that list haha

 

IMS is criminally underrated for muscle issues though, and shockwave for the right conditions is a straight up miracle 

I’m sorry.  Your services are amazing but you’re always booked when I need you and imo you’re too expensive.

[riffraff]

2 hours ago, shayster007 said:

as a massage therapist, gonna have say you are missing a biggie on that list haha

 

IMS is criminally underrated for muscle issues though, and shockwave for the right conditions is a straight up miracle 

IMS just saved my entire livelihood.

 

no exaggeration.