Kosmo Kramer Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 On 9/19/2019 at 6:33 PM, EdgarM said: I don't remember seeing LE having regular #1 PP time either. Who else did we have to play Edler's minutes? Like I said we have been in a rebuild and many injuries so there has been no traditional lines. Not sure Edler would see PP time on another team. Why you gotta bring The Eagle into this? Edler would be on half the league's power play at least, 2nd PP on good teams. As far as Eriksson goes, it didn't work out here. I, like everyone else, hoped we could unload him or he will just retire but performance aside, he's a good person. He gives back to every community he has played in and has always been liked by his teammates. If he could be a good person off the team, that would be better lol. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 On 9/19/2019 at 11:41 PM, NHL97OneTimer said: Does this make sense when he's already been paid more than the overall combined cap hit effect? How is it different than Luongo's situation? Luongo's contract was signed in the previous CBA - when it was permitted (and approved by the NHL) to backdive a player's cap hit. Eriksson's present contract - like every other one in the NHL - averages out the cap hit equally over every year of the deal. There is no backdive - it's prohibited. What is paid up front is salary - which is distinct from cap hit. Eriksson would still cost a team 6 million in cap hit - but his salary would be a fraction of that - hypothetically enabling small market teams to pay him and benefit from a larger cap hit if needed (if he were moved - agreed to waive, etc). It's not the same as cap circumvention (and the b.s. cap recapture that the league imposes retroactively after enabling those contracts). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 On 9/13/2019 at 8:06 PM, Jimmy McGill said: yeah thats a good point, I'm sure Loui would like to move on.... but getting paid 27 mil in 3 years probably softens the blow a bit. For me its cautionary as well in that everyone went in with good intentions. I don't buy into the "Loui's a floater' thing, but his offensive skills aren't there anymore either. The league has changed so much in just a short time that Loui's deal doesn't get done anymore just based on his signing age. Louie is a floater. He's a good finisher still, he just never gets the puck in the areas where statistically it's easier to finish because he never moves there fast enough due to his floating around the ice. If he worked harder off of the puck he'd be a 20 goal scorer. He still has good hands, just never has the puck around the net. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yung1 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 1 hour ago, oldnews said: Luongo's contract was signed in the previous CBA - when it was permitted (and approved by the NHL) to backdive a player's cap hit. Eriksson's present contract - like every other one in the NHL - averages out the cap hit equally over every year of the deal. There is no backdive - it's prohibited. What is paid up front is salary - which is distinct from cap hit. Eriksson would still cost a team 6 million in cap hit - but his salary would be a fraction of that - hypothetically enabling small market teams to pay him and benefit from a larger cap hit if needed (if he were moved - agreed to waive, etc). It's not the same as cap circumvention (and the b.s. cap recapture that the league imposes retroactively after enabling those contracts). it's not back-diving that's illegal. It's super long contracts that allow for back-diving to make a significant impact on cap hit that are illegal. Nothing says you can't give a player $10mil in his first year and $1mil in his last of the contract. You just can't sign a player to a contract more than 7 years long, or 8 years if they're your own free agent. We benefited from luongo's contract as much as we did because it was 12 years long. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Yung1 said: it's not back-diving that's illegal. It's super long contracts that allow for back-diving to make a significant impact on cap hit that are illegal. Nothing says you can't give a player $10mil in his first year and $1mil in his last of the contract. You just can't sign a player to a contract more than 7 years long, or 8 years if they're your own free agent. We benefited from luongo's contract as much as we did because it was 12 years long. The League should’ve just nullified that Luongo contract and asked Gillis to renegotiate even though it was perfectly legal at the time. I’m sure Gillis’ ego pissed a couple of people off at the NHL head office and in turn went “oh yeah?”... Gillis the Circumventor. Edited October 15, 2019 by Me_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Yung1 said: you completely missed the point, and the distinction between cap and salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABNucksfan Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 4 hours ago, MikeyD said: Louie is a floater. He's a good finisher still, he just never gets the puck in the areas where statistically it's easier to finish because he never moves there fast enough due to his floating around the ice. If he worked harder off of the puck he'd be a 20 goal scorer. He still has good hands, just never has the puck around the net. You know who else is a floater? Boeser, but no one is flaming him. 1 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHL97OneTimer Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 11 hours ago, oldnews said: Luongo's contract was signed in the previous CBA - when it was permitted (and approved by the NHL) to backdive a player's cap hit. Eriksson's present contract - like every other one in the NHL - averages out the cap hit equally over every year of the deal. There is no backdive - it's prohibited. What is paid up front is salary - which is distinct from cap hit. Eriksson would still cost a team 6 million in cap hit - but his salary would be a fraction of that - hypothetically enabling small market teams to pay him and benefit from a larger cap hit if needed (if he were moved - agreed to waive, etc). It's not the same as cap circumvention (and the b.s. cap recapture that the league imposes retroactively after enabling those contracts). Can he just retire or go to Sweden to clear the cap space for the Canucks though? With Luongo, retiring early cost the Canucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yung1 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 16 hours ago, oldnews said: you completely missed the point, and the distinction between cap and salary. Actually you were just explaining the whole thing really incorrectly. Sorry, don't mean to come off rude. But you were. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Bite the bullet and send him down already. Saves a million off the cap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure2Win Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 On 10/15/2019 at 5:17 PM, ABNucksfan said: You know who else is a floater? Boeser, but no one is flaming him. Yeah 6 points in 5 games........sure he's a floater. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABNucksfan Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Bure2Win said: Yeah 6 points in 5 games........sure he's a floater. He gets alot of points. Hes a floater often times though. Just watch him. Doesn't back check hard, never hits even when there are opportunities. Just watch him its not hard to see. If you cant see it you dont known what your looking for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruilin96 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Can Loui pull a Byfuglien? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 You guys are just looking for reasons to get mad at Louie. It doesn't matter what he said, people would be shi**ing on him regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 16 hours ago, Bure2Win said: Yeah 6 points in 5 games........sure he's a floater. He's actually quite a bit of a floater but he's got the amazing shot. Brock has been pretty bad so far, despite the points but he'll come around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 16 hours ago, ABNucksfan said: He gets alot of points. Hes a floater often times though. Just watch him. Doesn't back check hard, never hits even when there are opportunities. Just watch him its not hard to see. If you cant see it you dont known what your looking for. If you can "see it" I suggest opening your eyes a bit more....or squint and look from the side...BB Backchecks and is working hard. We have no floaters now that Pouliot and Gagner are gone...Luie is not a floater he just doesn't often know the right way to go... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 On 10/15/2019 at 11:23 PM, NHL97OneTimer said: Can he just retire or go to Sweden to clear the cap space for the Canucks though? With Luongo, retiring early cost the Canucks. Yes - he's not an over 35 contract (those contracts you are stuck with the cap hit if they retire early). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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