the grinder Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 1 hour ago, ItTakesAnArmy said: I was listening tot he game on Center Ice and the commentators were saying the LA has the #2 ranked prospect pool in the league. I was curious as to how this could happen as they have consistently finished ahead of the Canucks and picked later. The Canucks have had 7 drafts with Benning and have less than half the prospects in the system that LA does. At this time CapFriendly is showing only 8 Canuck draft picks out of 19 skaters and only one 18 or 19 year old on the Utica roster. LA is showing more than 14 draft picks in the minors and 9 under 20, if under 21 is counted then there are 13 of those. That is quite a difference. The other item is that there are a lot more undrafted players on the Canuck Utica roster and considering how poorly the Utica team did last year maybe that is one reason the team is suffering, a lower quality of skill in the system. Take away Woo, DiPietro and Gaudette and there is nothing really standing out, at least not a draft pick. Maybe that is another reason for poor performance, all these prospects are being taught different systems. It is when a player acts instead of thinking he starts performing better and this comes from playing the same way over and over again. Why are there not more draft picks in the system? lol you and your anti -benning posts , every month you start crying about prospects in Utica , and every month someone has to tell you prospect are just not in Utica , we have had 6 drafts with benning not 7 , you need to get your facts right . btw most of our prospects are on the team , not in the system , you really need a new anti benning angle because the prospect one isn't fooling anyone 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Depends on who's doing the list. This is Pronman's... In terms of tiers, I have the Rangers and Avs on a tier together, the Devils through the Flyers is a tier, the Hurricanes through the Red Wings is a tier, and the Ducks through the Lightning is a tier, with the remaining teams in their own tier. And now for the rankings: 1. New York Rangers 2. Colorado Avalanche 3. New Jersey Devils 4. Los Angeles Kings 5. Vancouver Canucks 6. Montreal Canadiens 7. Philadelphia Flyers 8. Carolina Hurricanes 9. Edmonton Oilers 10. Chicago Blackhawks 11. Vegas Golden Knights 12. Ottawa Senators 13. Detroit Red Wings 14. Anaheim Ducks 15. Florida Panthers 16. New York Islanders 17. Arizona Coyotes 18. Buffalo Sabres 19. St. Louis Blues 20. San Jose Sharks 21. Toronto Maple Leafs 22. Minnesota Wild 23. Tampa Bay Lightning 24. Dallas Stars 25. Columbus Blue Jackets 26. Nashville Predators 27. Winnipeg Jets 28. Pittsburgh Penguins 29. Boston Bruins 30. Washington Capitals 31. Calgary Flames https://theathletic.com/1125088/2019/09/05/pronman-2019-20-nhl-farm-system-rankings/ Nothing 'disturbing' here, especially when you consider the young players currently playing on the big club. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DADDYROCK Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Lets not forget that our Canucks have had some unprecedented four years in a row on going the wrong way at the B.S. LOTTO DRAFT,where as some teams on the edge of the playoffs have been extremely lucky,the NJ Devils comes to mind along with others I'm sure. So if we can get a bit of luck at said B.S. LOTTO DRAFT our top end talent will increase and the rebuild will have a much better chance of coming to an end. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post the grinder Posted September 22, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, DADDYROCK said: Lets not forget that our Canucks have had some unprecedented four years in a row on going the wrong way at the B.S. LOTTO DRAFT,where as some teams on the edge of the playoffs have been extremely lucky,the NJ Devils comes to mind along with others I'm sure. So if we can get a bit of luck at said B.S. LOTTO DRAFT our top end talent will increase and the rebuild will have a much better chance of coming to an end. lol hate to say it almost glad we lost a few times , we may not of gotten ep or quinn 1 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, the grinder said: lol hate to say it almost glad we lost a few times , we may not of gotten ep or quinn Or Podz 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Canuck Surfer Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 2 hours ago, ItTakesAnArmy said: I was listening tot he game on Center Ice and the commentators were saying the LA has the #2 ranked prospect pool in the league. I was curious as to how this could happen as they have consistently finished ahead of the Canucks and picked later. The Canucks have had 7 drafts with Benning and have less than half the prospects in the system that LA does. At this time CapFriendly is showing only 8 Canuck draft picks out of 19 skaters and only one 18 or 19 year old on the Utica roster. LA is showing more than 14 draft picks in the minors and 9 under 20, if under 21 is counted then there are 13 of those. That is quite a difference. The other item is that there are a lot more undrafted players on the Canuck Utica roster and considering how poorly the Utica team did last year maybe that is one reason the team is suffering, a lower quality of skill in the system. Take away Woo, DiPietro and Gaudette and there is nothing really standing out, at least not a draft pick. Maybe that is another reason for poor performance, all these prospects are being taught different systems. It is when a player acts instead of thinking he starts performing better and this comes from playing the same way over and over again. Why are there not more draft picks in the system? Who did LA graduate last year. Expect to be as good as this : Pettersson or Hughes or Boeser calibre freshman. The LA pool is ''deep'' because guys we passed on, like Gabe Vilardi, are still prospects. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 I really did like that 18 year old kid yesterday, Tobias Bjornfot. And Turcotte will be great! They do have some good prospects, Akil Thomas had something like 230 points in 190 OHL games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Rathbone and Lockwood, long term prospects, that could turn into good NHL'ers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 two pages to this clear attempt at trolling? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Lol no way I would trade our U21 players for theirs. We have the reigning Calder winner and a player who a lot of analysts think could challenge for this years Calder. Not to mention highly touted prospects playing in the SHL, KHL, NCAA, and finish league. If this was an attempt to troll it was pretty weak. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 42 minutes ago, stawns said: two pages to this clear attempt at trolling? To be fair, he he/she/they could just be a very ignorant fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the grinder Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 14 minutes ago, higgyfan said: To be fair, he he/she/they could just be a very ignorant fan no he does this every single month, he hates benning lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 If the OP can find this subforum, he/she could realize the prospects in our system beyond Utica. Unless of course he/she chooses to ignore the rest. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sbriggs Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 5 hours ago, xereau said: Benning's changing the meta, in spreading out from where the team gains assets. Who is to say that drafting 18 year olds, with both bodies and minds which are not even close to finished developing, is the best way? A mix of sources, seems a far better plan to me, from the outside looking in. Benning has focussed on signing older and more mature players who can jump into a new core, fabricated from the draft, btw. And this makes it appear we have fewer prospects, if you put an age cap on it. This is a biased analysis, for the purpose of smearing. Nice try, though. Yup sounds like Benning bashing. I like the idea of the college signings Benning has done, more mature physically and ready for NHL competition. With the NHL cap system the way it is now I think it can benifit us to have more rookies from the college league to fit in quicker then players drafted out of Jr where you have to wait to develope them 3-4 yrs sometimes obviously with exceptions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrockBoester Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Our under 21 prospects are now over 21 and in the NHL. So what's the problem lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Just a reminder that the LA Kings 2017 first rd pick, Gabriel Vilardi, is still "in their system". Our 2017 1st rd pick, Elias Pettersson, is the reigning Calder winner. Make of that what you will. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Just now, 48MPHSlapShot said: Just a reminder that the LA Kings 2017 first rd pick, Gabriel Vilardi, is still "in their system". Our 2017 1st rd pick, Elias Pettersson, is the reigning Calder winner. Make of that what you will. Vilardi is kind of looking like a bustaroo. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Just now, Alflives said: Vilardi is kind of looking like a bustaroo. I think he'll be a fine player. The point is that most of our high end prospects have already graduated, or are playing elsewear. The idea that there's a "disturbing lack of under 21s" in our system is laughable, considering that most CHL players arent eligible for the AHL until they're around 20, and most of our high European/Russian prospects are in better leagues than the AHL anyways. And then there's college players as well, who normally stay in college for a few years after being drafted. This thread is incredibly disingenuous. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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