[Trade] Hurricanes trade Justin Faulk, 2020 5th-round pick to Blues for Joel Edmundson, Dominik Bokk, 2021 7th-round pick

[Dixon Ward]

Bokk is playing with Hoglander on the 2nd line for Rogle in the SHL.  Hope he is really good and elevates Hoglander's game.

[R3aL]

1 hour ago, TNucks1 said:

maybe Faulk didnt wanna go to WPG.

Most likely but Carolina could have traded another dman. I like bokk but think they could have done better 

[CRAZY_4_NAZZY]

Dominik Bokk is going to be a good NHL player.  He will surprise some people.

I actually don't mind the return for Carolina, imo i think they get the better part of the deal long term.

[The_Rocket]

Nobody gunna talk about the massive deal St. Louis signed Faulk too after the trade? 7 years at 6.5 per? I much prefer Tyler myers on a 5 year 6 mill per sand we didn’t have to give up a Nils Hoglander level prospect to get him

[Canuck Surfer]

6 hours ago, Noseforthenet said:

This probably has something to do with him not really wanting to head out west and having his family uprooted. STL is kind of in the middle if that. I can imagine Vancouver was also on the no trade list along with Winnipeg (lack of doing anything good this summer for their team), LA maybe? Security seemed like a total must for this player and even the cup champs needed to sign him to a 7 year extension just to get him.

Or not wanting to rebuild wi Ducks / Kings?

 

That aside, who would not want to play in S California...

[Azzy]

4 hours ago, The_Rocket said:

Nobody gunna talk about the massive deal St. Louis signed Faulk too after the trade? 7 years at 6.5 per? I much prefer Tyler myers on a 5 year 6 mill per sand we didn’t have to give up a Nils Hoglander level prospect to get him

I watched Faulk in over 50 games last season, 30 the year before. He's a better player than Myers, there's no doubt about it. If Bokk turns into a decent NHL player then we have the better of it, but if Bokk fails to pan out then the Blues have the better deal.

[Azzy]

10 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said:

I suppose its better than letting Faulk walk UFA next year.

 

There is that...

The Canes' concern wasn't letting him walk, it was that his agent would have demanded a NMC for his client ahead of the Expansion Draft and that would have exposed one of Slavin, Pesce or Hamilton to the Seattle Whatevers. They were also not keen on paying him $1m+ more than Slavin, whose deal is exceptional.

[Azzy]

12 hours ago, oldnews said:

Hanifin, Faulk, DeHaan, Fox....out.

Edmondson, one year of term, Hamilton two, Ferland gone....

Don't really like that team's trajectory as much as before the present ownership and the departure of Ron Francis.

Hamilton played better than Hanifin ever did; Faulk for Bokk could turn out well; de Haan was a UFA who did okay but fetched Forsling; Fox was a mistake.

 

But they've acquired Gardiner, Bokk, Haula, Dzingel, Necas will be on the team this season, Julien Gauthier is going to be a wrecking ball...plenty to like about that team. And minus Faulk's Sbisa-esque turnovers in the Canes' defensive zone, they might be even more difficult to play against now.

[Canuck Surfer]

20 minutes ago, Azzy said:

The Canes' concern wasn't letting him walk, it was that his agent would have demanded a NMC for his client ahead of the Expansion Draft and that would have exposed one of Slavin, Pesce or Hamilton to the Seattle Whatevers. They were also not keen on paying him $1m+ more than Slavin, whose deal is exceptional.

The expansion draft would have been a conundrum? If they re-sign Hamilton. He is UFA before the draft.

 

Not sure I buy that you can't pay a UFA, UFA money because an RFA broke out after he signed a deal xoming off a 20 point season.. I see it as a low budget team who did not want to pay him money because they are a low budget team.  Or something.

 

I think Faulk is a very good player. Bokk better be a heck of one...

[Azzy]

1 hour ago, Canuck Surfer said:

The expansion draft would have been a conundrum? If they re-sign Hamilton. He is UFA before the draft.

 

Not sure I buy that you can't pay a UFA, UFA money because an RFA broke out after he signed a deal xoming off a 20 point season.. I see it as a low budget team who did not want to pay him money because they are a low budget team.  Or something.

 

I think Faulk is a very good player. Bokk better be a heck of one...

The Canes are a cap ceiling team now - they're over the cap with a 24-man roster: https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/hurricanes

 

It was an odd decision to retain salary on Faulk's current deal, and they are looking at adding about $8m to their UFAs + RFAs contracts (Haula, Foegele, Bishop, Wallmark, van Riemsdyk, Edmundson). That'll be paid for by Marleau's $6.25m coming off the books, but this Canes team is going to add players, and they're no longer a basement dweller with tons of cap space.

[IBatch]

Faulk is a pretty decent RHD who also scores goals at good rate.  Defensively his plus minus suffered for years on a forever rebuilding CAR team where he was one of their better players waiting for it to click which it finally has.   St Louis won this trade but CAR definitely no longer needed his services so they did ok too.  A defensive denfenseman, a recent first rounder and a couple of later picks isn’t a bad haul for a player that wasn’t going to be i their plans going forward - better then zero.   And for those that say they’d rather have him then Myers - well it didn’t cost us Tanev, Hogs plus the picks which is a comparable trade.   Only cap space.

[IBatch]

14 hours ago, R3aL said:

Most likely but Carolina could have traded another dman. I like bokk but think they could have done better 

If they could have done better they would have taken a better deal.  He was shopped and has been shopped for quite some time - this was the best deal available to them at this time or they’d have taken a different approach.

[Noseforthenet]

14 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said:

Or not wanting to rebuild wi Ducks / Kings?

 

That aside, who would not want to play in S California...

You WOULD think, right?

[R3aL]

10 hours ago, IBatch said:

If they could have done better they would have taken a better deal.  He was shopped and has been shopped for quite some time - this was the best deal available to them at this time or they’d have taken a different approach.

Guess that’s fair can’t argue against it.

 

Just seemed strange - there are teams that need a dman like Faulk more than St Louis so hard for me to believe they had the best offer.

 

i think most likely it was his no trade list and the timing of the trade that lowered the return.

[Canuck Surfer]

12 minutes ago, R3aL said:

Guess that’s fair can’t argue against it.

 

Just seemed strange - there are teams that need a dman like Faulk more than St Louis so hard for me to believe they had the best offer.

 

i think most likely it was his no trade list and the timing of the trade that lowered the return.

There are three key things;

 

> He has a no trade list.

> The teams that need him, aka perhaps the Leafs, would not have had the cap space to sign him.

> He wanted a new contract part and parcel for any of the teams not on his list.

 

Add to it, Anaheim, another rumoured suitor? Sulks. It narrows the list down to contending US based teams with cap space.  Which leaves St Louis, and potentially San Jose if a forward contract could have been part of the return for Carolina.  San Jose has Burns and Karlsson. So lets say they don't need Faulk. 

 

In a nutshell, a limited market.

[oldnews]

18 hours ago, Azzy said:

Hamilton played better than Hanifin ever did

cool story.

 

Hanifin had 33 points last year, +18, 49.9% ozone starts, 23 even strength assists, 1:42/g penalty killing

Hamilton 39 pts, even 0, 55.6% ozone starts, too vacant to kill penalties = one way D that did not have better one-way results.

 

And that was year one - when Hamilton is supposed to be definitively better than the 22 year old Hanifin.

 

Horrible deal for Carolina on both counts.   Calgary has a pair of young fixtures in their future, Carolina has lost Ferland, and Hamilton, one of the league's most over-rated players, has a couple years of term, and was hardly 'better' than Hanfiin last year.  Which one has a better chance of upticking?  I'd take Hanifin over Hamilton all over again in a heartbeat.

[Azzy]

7 hours ago, oldnews said:

cool story.

 

Hanifin had 33 points last year, +18, 49.9% ozone starts, 23 even strength assists, 1:42/g penalty killing

Hamilton 39 pts, even 0, 55.6% ozone starts, too vacant to kill penalties = one way D that did not have better one-way results.

 

And that was year one - when Hamilton is supposed to be definitively better than the 22 year old Hanifin.

 

Horrible deal for Carolina on both counts.   Calgary has a pair of young fixtures in their future, Carolina has lost Ferland, and Hamilton, one of the league's most over-rated players, has a couple years of term, and was hardly 'better' than Hanfiin last year.  Which one has a better chance of upticking?  I'd take Hanifin over Hamilton all over again in a heartbeat.

cool story.

 

Hanifin's last season in Carolina vs Hamilton's first season in Carolina

In Hanifin's last season - the reason they traded him - he posted 32 points, -20, 63.1% OZ starts, 16 ES assists, 0:05/g on the PK.

In Hamilton's first season - the reason they traded Hanifin - he posted 39 points, +/-0, 55.6% OZ starts, 16 ES assists, not used on the PK as they had specialist D to do so (like with Hanifin).

 

Note: Hamilton struggled with a shoulder injury until Christmas, else his outputs would all have been as good as the second half of the season.

 

Playoff performance

Hanifin had 1 assist in 5 playoff games while going -3, while Hamilton had 3-4-7 in 15 games going +3.

 

Hamilton's last season in Calgary vs Hanifin's first season in Calgary

Hanifin: 33pts, +18, 49.9% OZ starts, 23 ES assists, 1:42/g on the PK

Hamilton: 44pts, +1, 53.1% OZ starts, 21 ES assists, 0:30/g on the PK

 

Note: No defenseman scored more goals than Hamilton that season. Not sure you can really espouse Hanifin's PK abilities when Giordano and Hamonic take the lion's share of PK time.

 

I'm not arguing the deal now that they've lost Ferland and Fox - it's a clear loss despite recouping some good picks from the Rangers - but they got the best defenseman in the deal, and he is a clear and significant upgrade on Hanifin.

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[Azzy]

On 9/26/2019 at 8:18 AM, Azzy said:

cool story.

 

Hanifin's last season in Carolina vs Hamilton's first season in Carolina

In Hanifin's last season - the reason they traded him - he posted 32 points, -20, 63.1% OZ starts, 16 ES assists, 0:05/g on the PK.

In Hamilton's first season - the reason they traded Hanifin - he posted 39 points, +/-0, 55.6% OZ starts, 16 ES assists, not used on the PK as they had specialist D to do so (like with Hanifin).

 

Note: Hamilton struggled with a shoulder injury until Christmas, else his outputs would all have been as good as the second half of the season.

 

Playoff performance

Hanifin had 1 assist in 5 playoff games while going -3, while Hamilton had 3-4-7 in 15 games going +3.

 

Hamilton's last season in Calgary vs Hanifin's first season in Calgary

Hanifin: 33pts, +18, 49.9% OZ starts, 23 ES assists, 1:42/g on the PK

Hamilton: 44pts, +1, 53.1% OZ starts, 21 ES assists, 0:30/g on the PK

 

Note: No defenseman scored more goals than Hamilton that season. Not sure you can really espouse Hanifin's PK abilities when Giordano and Hamonic take the lion's share of PK time.

 

I'm not arguing the deal now that they've lost Ferland and Fox - it's a clear loss despite recouping some good picks from the Rangers - but they got the best defenseman in the deal, and he is a clear and significant upgrade on Hanifin.

Time to update this with this season's stats methinks @oldnews 

 

Hanifin: 12GP, 2-1-3, -7, 52.7% OZ starts, 1 ES assist, 2:26/g on the PK

 

Hamilton: 12GP, 6-7-13, +8, 52.0% OZ starts, 2 ES assists, 2:01/g on the PK

 

Carolina picked up two prospects at the 2019 with the 2nd round pick they acquired for Fox, and are 20 NHL games from upgrading the 2020 3rd rounder to a 2nd rounder. Meanwhile, Fox is struggling on that underwhelming Rangers team.

 

Not keeping Ferland allowed the Canes to sign Ryan Dzingel, who's a big step up in terms of scoring.

 

So as it stands (and things will change, of course), the deal has become:

 

To Calgary: Lindholm (great) + Hanifin (good in year 1, awful in year 2)

 

To Carolina: Hamilton (great) + Ferland/Dzingel (good) + three prospects (2x 2nd rounders)

 

I'd say both teams won this trade, and the longer time goes on, the happier Carolina will be with it.

[Alflives]

9 hours ago, Azzy said:

Time to update this with this season's stats methinks @oldnews 

 

Hanifin: 12GP, 2-1-3, -7, 52.7% OZ starts, 1 ES assist, 2:26/g on the PK

 

Hamilton: 12GP, 6-7-13, +8, 52.0% OZ starts, 2 ES assists, 2:01/g on the PK

 

Carolina picked up two prospects at the 2019 with the 2nd round pick they acquired for Fox, and are 20 NHL games from upgrading the 2020 3rd rounder to a 2nd rounder. Meanwhile, Fox is struggling on that underwhelming Rangers team.

 

Not keeping Ferland allowed the Canes to sign Ryan Dzingel, who's a big step up in terms of scoring.

 

So as it stands (and things will change, of course), the deal has become:

 

To Calgary: Lindholm (great) + Hanifin (good in year 1, awful in year 2)

 

To Carolina: Hamilton (great) + Ferland/Dzingel (good) + three prospects (2x 2nd rounders)

 

I'd say both teams won this trade, and the longer time goes on, the happier Carolina will be with it.

Getting a stud Dman like Hamilton for only spare parts (which is really all the Canes gave up) means the team getting the stud Dman wins the trade by a landslide.  Calgary is a stupid franchise, and a smelly city.  (Peter's Burgers is great though)

[189lb enforcers?]

Hamilton is dominating.