Auston Matthews being investigated for disorderly conduct in Scottsdale

[189lb enforcers?]

I don’t like the innuendo of what’s implied when we state something like “pulled down his pants”.

 

We know what that implies. 

 

It implies something reminiscent of an old man giving trouble in parks or near an elementary school.

 

That’s not fair. 

 

This comment has nothing to do with the jackass routine that this all was.

It is about how it is being reported. 

 

And, sex crime?! Wtf.

Diminishes actual sex crimes. 

 

 

[JM_]

54 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said:

I don’t like the innuendo of what’s implied when we state something like “pulled down his pants”.

 

how do you think the guard felt then? 

 

how should this be reported? he did pull down his pants. It sounds like he was doing it all night according to one of his buddies who sounded like he more reasonable one in the group trying to apologize, while AM though it was a good idea to show his ass.

 

I don't think the vast majority of coverage on this is branding it "sex crime". Maybe one guy but that original link you had has been removed. 

 

I think the TO media is going quite light on him tbh. 

 

Edited September 27, 2019 by Jimmy McGill

[King Heffy]

7 hours ago, debluvscanucks said:

It's an issue when kids develop a sense of entitlement and the parents support that rather than address it.  I don't feel it helps children and is more a disservice to them as it doesn't prepare them for real world stuff...teach them to be accountable.

 

If your kid can do no wrong in your eyes it's a tall order.  Kids will do wrong so plan for that and be proactive. Teach them a sense of responsibility early on.

If I got caught doing that as a kid, my dad would have told the cops to let me spend the night in jail.

[189lb enforcers?]

14 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said:

how do you think the guard felt then? 

 

how should this be reported? he did pull down his pants. It sounds like he was doing it all night according to one of his buddies who sounded like he more reasonable one in the group trying to apologize, while AM though it was a good idea to show his ass.

 

I don't think the vast majority of coverage on this is branding it "sex crime". Maybe one guy but that original link you had has been removed. 

 

I think the TO media is going quite light on him tbh. 

 

I am not arguing on his behalf, just against the ‘pulling down his pants’ connotation, which was definitely the headline in most every article that implied a misleading description, as far as the common vernacular goes in our language. 

 

I have no position on the indecency aspect beyond finding it similar to what I’ve seen 2am drunks do on the strip. I wasn’t there, but the idea of trying to get into a car with someone is also something I’ve seen and it wasn’t anything sinister.

 

Would this be a story if it were a star athlete? Not unless every intoxicated public indecency act tonight will make it to court as well, let alone a discussion board.

 

Victim statements from all sorts of the pending scenarios might actually make for some kind of reality TV show. I’d still call it Jackass though, not to make light of this women’s experience with Austin. 

Edited September 27, 2019 by 189lb enforcers?

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21 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said:

I am not arguing on his behalf, just against the ‘pulling down his pants’ connotation, which was definitely the headline in most every article that implied a misleading description, as far as the common vernacular goes in our language. 

 

I have no position on the indecency aspect beyond finding it similar to what I’ve seen 2am drunks do on the strip. I wasn’t there, but the idea of trying to get into a car with someone is also something I’ve seen and it wasn’t anything sinister.

 

Would this be a story if it were a star athlete? Not unless every intoxicated public indecency act tonight will make it to court as well, let alone a discussion board.

 

Victim statements from all sorts of the pending scenarios might actually make for some kind of reality TV show. I’d still call it Jackass though, not to make light of this women’s experience with Austin. 

I don't like that you're focusing on wording.  He did other stuff too and this was just the final slap in the face.  We could just change the headlines to "AM is an absolute ass and has just demonstrated that".  

 

He had his pants pulled down on video...so we have to be careful we don't say that?  Because it could lead to someone thinking something more sinister?   People who pull down their pants at others deserve that headline, despite what people may or may not think about it.  If there's ambiguity in the headline imagine what there is in the act of someone trying to get in a car at 2 am to get a reaction from a woman?   Seems a fair tradeoff.   She likely had thoughts of something more sinister at that point.

 

People wandering around drunk doing stupid stuff is different than a group targeting a woman.  It's about how she felt, not how he feels.

 

You ARE arguing on his behalf.

[JM_]

1 hour ago, 189lb enforcers? said:

I am not arguing on his behalf, just against the ‘pulling down his pants’ connotation, which was definitely the headline in most every article that implied a misleading description, as far as the common vernacular goes in our language. 

 

I have no position on the indecency aspect beyond finding it similar to what I’ve seen 2am drunks do on the strip. I wasn’t there, but the idea of trying to get into a car with someone is also something I’ve seen and it wasn’t anything sinister.

 

Would this be a story if it were a star athlete? Not unless every intoxicated public indecency act tonight will make it to court as well, let alone a discussion board.

 

Victim statements from all sorts of the pending scenarios might actually make for some kind of reality TV show. I’d still call it Jackass though, not to make light of this women’s experience with Austin. 

there was a show like that, it was called "Cops". 

 

Trying to get into someones car can be sinister. Of course its not every time but sometimes its a car jacking. Its an incredibly dumb thing to do, particularly in the US. The indecency part had more to do with dis-respect than indecent exposure. 

 

I think you might be bringing your (well earned) dislike of MSM into this. I don't think the media is trying to turn this into an indecent exposure story.

 

The coverage does pretty accurately show how hard it is to be believed tho. Regardless of what someone thinks of the severity of the crime (and it is one) one of the first things that happened was she was called a liar and was up against the weight of AM's resources. If there were no witnesses or video its possible that her reputation could be damaged unfairly. 

 

So while I think I understand your pov, there are also benefits to the media coverage, it balances the scales a bit.

 

 

Edited September 27, 2019 by Jimmy McGill

[Squamfan]

On 9/25/2019 at 6:28 PM, ChuckNORRIS4Cup said:

So Scottsdale Police released body cam video of the woman who was involved, you can see it on YouTube I would post the video on here but there is a lot of strong language 

can you send me the link?

[189lb enforcers?]

2 hours ago, debluvscanucks said:

I don't like that you're focusing on wording.  He did other stuff too and this was just the final slap in the face.  We could just change the headlines to "AM is an absolute ass and has just demonstrated that".  

 

He had his pants pulled down on video...so we have to be careful we don't say that?  Because it could lead to someone thinking something more sinister?   People who pull down their pants at others deserve that headline, despite what people may or may not think about it.  If there's ambiguity in the headline imagine what there is in the act of someone trying to get in a car at 2 am to get a reaction from a woman?   Seems a fair tradeoff.   She likely had thoughts of something more sinister at that point.

 

People wandering around drunk doing stupid stuff is different than a group targeting a woman.  It's about how she felt, not how he feels.

 

You ARE arguing on his behalf.

Simple question,

 

What immediately comes to your mind when you hear that a man indecently “pulled down his pants”? 

 

Using that statement, which is an undeniable common phrase, as a headline and the premise of the story is misleading. The common associated connotations here concerning common vernacular, aka phrases, would suggest he whipped out his junk. This is what the story, and the task of the statement, implies. 

 

I am defending language. Always look to the language used in media.

 

His actions are not my scope here, only the sex crime itself, which is what the reporting police officer responded to - his words. I do not defend anybody, but I do enjoy dismantling narratives that mislead the public, which is at least partly what’s happened here. 

 

Can I assume that police responding to a sex crime, assumes that a sex crime was respirated? I think that’s a documentation of due process, as the police report shows. There’s a lot going on here, especially since the escalation of this once it was discovered that the jackass was a rich celebrity and daddy’s apparent involvement which I know nothing about. 

 

 

[HerrDrFunk]

7 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said:

Simple question,

 

What immediately comes to your mind when you hear that a man indecently “pulled down his pants”? 

 

Using that statement, which is an undeniable common phrase, as a headline and the premise of the story is misleading. The common associated connotations here concerning common vernacular, aka phrases, would suggest he whipped out his junk. This is what the story, and the task of the statement, implies. 

 

I am defending language. Always look to the language used in media.

 

His actions are not my scope here, only the sex crime itself, which is what the reporting police officer responded to - his words. I do not defend anybody, but I do enjoy dismantling narratives that mislead the public, which is at least partly what’s happened here. 

 

Can I assume that police responding to a sex crime, assumes that a sex crime was respirated? I think that’s a documentation of due process, as the police report shows. There’s a lot going on here, especially since the escalation of this once it was discovered that the jackass was a rich celebrity and daddy’s apparent involvement which I know nothing about. 

 

 

Maybe it's just me, but when I read a story that says someone pulled down their pants, I just assume it means they pulled down their pants. The reason being, Auston Matthews whipping his dick out would be a much bigger story so if that's what happened, they would report it as such.

 

For what it's worth, the only place I've seen the words "sex crime" used in conjunction with this case is on CDC.

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9 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said:

Simple question,

 

What immediately comes to your mind when you hear that a man indecently “pulled down his pants”? 

 

Using that statement, which is an undeniable common phrase, as a headline and the premise of the story is misleading. The common associated connotations here concerning common vernacular, aka phrases, would suggest he whipped out his junk. This is what the story, and the task of the statement, implies. 

 

I am defending language. Always look to the language used in media.

 

His actions are not my scope here, only the sex crime itself, which is what the reporting police officer responded to - his words. I do not defend anybody, but I do enjoy dismantling narratives that mislead the public, which is at least partly what’s happened here. 

 

Can I assume that police responding to a sex crime, assumes that a sex crime was respirated? I think that’s a documentation of due process, as the police report shows. There’s a lot going on here, especially since the escalation of this once it was discovered that the jackass was a rich celebrity and daddy’s apparent involvement which I know nothing about. 

 

 

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His actions are not my scope here

They should be.  That's what my point is directed at.  

 

 

[189lb enforcers?]

1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said:

there was a show like that, it was called "Cops". 

 

Trying to get into someones car can be sinister. Of course its not every time but sometimes its a car jacking. Its an incredibly dumb thing to do, particularly in the US. The indecency part had more to do with dis-respect than indecent exposure. 

 

I think you might be bringing your (well earned) dislike of MSM into this. I don't think the media is trying to turn this into an indecent exposure story.

 

The coverage does pretty accurately show how hard it is to be believed tho. Regardless of what someone thinks of the severity of the crime (and it is one) one of the first things that happened was she was called a liar and was up against the weight of AM's resources. If there were no witnesses or video its possible that her reputation could be damaged unfairly. 

 

So while I think I understand your pov, there are also benefits to the media coverage, it balances the scales a bit.

 

 

I’m sorry, she’s not believed? What’s not to believe? I thought there was an evening-long audience to his antics, including this women’s. I listened to her on the recording, but haven’t spent any time on the matter other than to question the headline. 

 

She’s certainly poorly articulates her thoughts, but I don’t think her story of the incident and supposed witness statements leave much to think that the incident never happened? What aspect was she accused of lying about?

 

I’d assume, if it were myself being the charged jackass anyways, that it was the reporting of the incident as a sex crime that I’d be looking to dispute, but like I said, I know nothing besides what indecent exposure/dropping your pants in public generally means. 

 

 

[189lb enforcers?]

1 minute ago, HerrDrFunk said:

Maybe it's just me, but when I read a story that says someone pulled down their pants, I just assume it means they pulled down their pants. The reason being, Auston Matthews whipping his dick out would be a much bigger story so if that's what happened, they would report it as such.

 

For what it's worth, the only place I've seen the words "sex crime" used in conjunction with this case is on CDC.

Would it surprise you to learn that the police “responded to a sex crime” then? 

Sounds like it would. 

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/WALLACHLEGAL/status/1176641239715864576?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1176641239715864576&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gohabsgo.com%2Farticles%2Fofficial-police-report-from-auston-matthews-incide%2F

 

 

Whether or not it’s just me mentioning it here is one thing, but the intent of the reported crime is another. Don’t shoot the messenger. 

[HerrDrFunk]

1 minute ago, 189lb enforcers? said:

Would it surprise you to learn that the police “responded to a sex crime” then? 

Sounds like it would. 

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/WALLACHLEGAL/status/1176641239715864576?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1176641239715864576&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gohabsgo.com%2Farticles%2Fofficial-police-report-from-auston-matthews-incide%2F

 

 

Whether or not it’s just me mentioning it here is one thing, but the intent of the reported crime is another. Don’t shoot the messenger. 

Got a link where the incident report is actually legible?

Edited September 27, 2019 by HerrDrFunk

[189lb enforcers?]

2 hours ago, debluvscanucks said:

I don't like that you're focusing on wording. 

 

You ARE arguing on his behalf.

And I don’t like that you criticize that. 

Language can be a weapon and it certainly would suck to have weaponized words used against you. 

[189lb enforcers?]

1 minute ago, HerrDrFunk said:

Got a link where the incident report is actually legible?

You know I’m a cave man. 

That was once up on the TSN page with the story -somehow it’s no longer there.

 

Is that an actual, legit, police report? 

[HerrDrFunk]

1 minute ago, 189lb enforcers? said:

You know I’m a cave man. 

That was once up on the TSN page with the story -somehow it’s no longer there.

 

Is that an actual, legit, police report? 

Ah, yeah, that was because you posted a link to the mobile version of Twitter while I'm currently on a laptop; so everything was a bit screwy for me when I viewed it. I managed to get to the incident report though.

 

Okay, so in the incident report the officer says he responded to a possible sex crime, got there and determined that no, a sex crime didn't happen but disorderly conduct did. What's the issue?

[hero11]

Really?! 

 

On 9/25/2019 at 12:00 PM, Alflives said:

Who cares about what?  That AM is an ignorant child in a man's body, who enjoys scaring women, and (when challenged by a women for such behavior) drops his pants and tells the girl she can kiss his ass?  

 

Who cares about AM?  Get out of your moms basement and go enjoy the day.

[189lb enforcers?]

1 minute ago, HerrDrFunk said:

Ah, yeah, that was because you posted a link to the mobile version of Twitter while I'm currently on a laptop; so everything was a bit screwy for me when I viewed it. I managed to get to the incident report though.

 

Okay, so in the incident report the officer says he responded to a possible sex crime, got there and determined that no, a sex crime didn't happen but disorderly conduct did. What's the issue?

No issue. 

Those are the facts. 

[189lb enforcers?]

1 minute ago, hero11 said:

Really?! 

 

 

Who cares about AM?  Get out of your moms basement and go enjoy the day.

Hear that Alf, get out of your mom’s basement! 

[HerrDrFunk]

1 minute ago, 189lb enforcers? said:

No issue. 

Those are the facts. 

Which would seem to be consistent with what I've seen reported. So I'm a bit puzzled as to why you have an issue with it being reported that Matthews pulled down his pants, when he did just that?