JM_ Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said: I’m sorry, she’s not believed? What’s not to believe? I thought there was an evening-long audience to his antics, including this women’s. I listened to her on the recording, but haven’t spent any time on the matter other than to question the headline. She’s certainly poorly articulates her thoughts, but I don’t think her story of the incident and supposed witness statements leave much to think that the incident never happened? What aspect was she accused of lying about? I’d assume, if it were myself being the charged jackass anyways, that it was the reporting of the incident as a sex crime that I’d be looking to dispute, but like I said, I know nothing besides what indecent exposure/dropping your pants in public generally means. yeah this whole 'sex crime' thing isn't correct. The actual police report is disorderly conduct. RE: lying - AM's dad, the 1st thing he did was accuse her of lying. Its why she went to the police, she had to defend herself. Can you imagine trying to overcome that with no video or media reporting? you'd be screwed. I think you're focusing in on someone out there in the blogosphere misrepresenting this as a 'sex crime' I don't think anyone credible or the MSM is trying to do that. I guess the lesson here too is, if you don't want to have things misrepresented in the media, don't show your butt in public. Seems like a no-brainer. Edited September 27, 2019 by Jimmy McGill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) 43 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said: They should be. That's what my point is directed at. You shouldn’t should on people, Deb. If I wanted to join the outage over his poor behaviour I would, and pile on with you to show my values as well, which are inherent in most of us, agreed. Instead, I skipped the outrage-a-thon creed moment and “ tried” to discuss the use of language in media. If my reaction, or lack thereof, of stating the obvious with the rest of the mob concerning AM’s conduct irks you, I can’t help that. I’d rather talk about another perspective of this story, Don’t let me keep you, or anybody else, from expressing your distain for his behaviour, but don’t tell me what to think or say, please. Edited September 27, 2019 by 189lb enforcers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hero11 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 On 9/25/2019 at 12:06 PM, debluvscanucks said: This "who cares?", "this is nothing mentality" is what's stopping us from really progressing in society in a lot of ways. We should care how our actions impact others. We should care when we've drank so much we do things that have consequences then have to face them. Bet Auston "cares" today as he has to face questions. This is something....that's the message to send here. If a call to police results in charges, obviously, it's something. On the grand scale of infractions...not the worst. But in a time of "anti-bullying", "me too", etc.....this ticks off the reasons why this is inappropriate behaviour. Whether young, old, drunk, sober. We used to be ok with drinking and driving...until we really thought about the consequences associated with that. It's the same here - some women/people do suffer from anxiety, PTSD, etc. and to purposefully target them for "a reaction" may be more serious to them than the bystander reading about it from home. Again...put your daughter, mother, sister, wife in that car at 2 am then say "it's nothing" as someone attempts to get in her locked vehicle with her in it. Not a BIG deal but I bet that, today, Auston feels like it is. Talk about over blowing things. If my daughter got mooned I would expect that she would deal with it for what it is. She isnt taught to take offense to everything in life. She is not bubble wrapped, and can get through her day without being crushed by society. She will be one of the people who make a difference to our future. Teaching our kids to whine and imply that everything happening around them is offensive, is what really will stop us from progressing in society. I dont like AM, but he mooned a woman and now she needs therapy. Why cant people just move on with their loves anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: yeah this whole 'sex crime' thing isn't correct. The actual police report is disorderly conduct. RE: lying - AM's dad, the 1st thing he did was accuse her of lying. Its why she went to the police, she had to defend herself. Can you imagine trying to overcome that with no video or media reporting? you'd be screwed. I think you're focusing in on someone out there in the blogosphere misrepresenting this as a 'sex crime' I don't think anyone credible or the MSM is trying to do that. I guess the lesson here too is, if you don't want to have things misrepresented in the media, don't show your butt in public. Seems like a no-brainer. Thanks Jimmy. What was she accused of lying about though? Are there specifics? (His friends were right there. Unless his dad is super stupid, what good could come from of accusing her of lying, unless it was about a specific thing?) And no, I’m focusing on the police “responding to a sex crime”, , not a blogger thing or a fringe perspective, which is different than burglary, motor vehicle incident, theft, vandalism... I mean to suggest here that this incident was reported to the police - as a sex crime. That is in the Scottsdale Police Report of the responding officer. Which means, we can start there with the facts, which sex crime is part of. Interesting, did you guys read the report? My summary: She already knew/knew of AM and that he lived there. She’d had an interaction with that group leaving that building at 11pm. She was sitting in her locked car at 2pm -because ‘she’s a female’. She heard the car door handle wiggling and then saw a group of men outside her car. So... she got out. She has PTSD, a yet does this line of work. The dickheads joke with her about wanting to see what she’d do if they did that. AM continues to be Fuhkey the Drunk Clown and walks to the elevator, eventually his pants come down, he is wearing boxers. He then grabs his cheeks. Police respond to a sex crime then degrade the crime to disorderly conduct. Edited September 27, 2019 by 189lb enforcers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrDrFunk Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said: Thanks Jimmy. What was she accused of lying about though? Are there specifics? (His friends were right there. Unless his dad is super stupid, what good could come from of accusing her of lying, unless it was about a specific thing?) And no, I’m focusing on the police “responding to a sex crime”, which is different than burglary, motor vehicle incident, theft, vandalism... I mean to suggest here that this incident was reported to the police - as a sex crime. That is in the Scottsdale Police Report of the responding officer. Which means, we can start there with the facts, which sex crime is part of. Interesting, did you guys read the report? My summary: She already knew/knew of AM and that he lived there. She’d had an interaction with that group leaving that building at 11pm. She was sitting in her locked car at 2pm -because ‘she’s a female’. She heard the car door handle wiggling and then saw a group of men outside her car. So... she got out. She has PTSD, a yet does this line of work. The dickheads joke with her about wanting to see what she’d do if they did that. AM continues to be Fuhkey the Drunk Clown and walks to the elevator, eventually his pants come down, he is wearing boxers. He then grabs his cheeks. Police respond to a sex crime then degrade the crime to disorderly conduct. Yes, and? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 37 minutes ago, hero11 said: Really?! Who cares about AM? Get out of your moms basement and go enjoy the day. Oh boy do I ever wish I could relive the crazy days of being a teen. I guess that’s what AM is doing. Who at 23 relies on mommy and daddy to take care of his problems? Maybe AM, metaphorically, needs to move out of his mommy’s basement? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 25 minutes ago, hero11 said: Talk about over blowing things. If my daughter got mooned I would expect that she would deal with it for what it is. She isnt taught to take offense to everything in life. She is not bubble wrapped, and can get through her day without being crushed by society. She will be one of the people who make a difference to our future. Teaching our kids to whine and imply that everything happening around them is offensive, is what really will stop us from progressing in society. I dont like AM, but he mooned a woman and now she needs therapy. Why cant people just move on with their loves anymore? I’m betting that, ultimately, she’ll get that expensive therapy, alright. She should get a new job too, one where her condition won’t complicate her work concerning Chance, stressful interactions at 2am in a parking lot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 19 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said: Thanks Jimmy. What was she accused of lying about though? Are there specifics? (His friends were right there. Unless his dad is super stupid, what good could come from of accusing her of lying, unless it was about a specific thing?) And no, I’m focusing on the police “responding to a sex crime”, , not a blogger thing or a fringe perspective, which is different than burglary, motor vehicle incident, theft, vandalism... I mean to suggest here that this incident was reported to the police - as a sex crime. That is in the Scottsdale Police Report of the responding officer. Which means, we can start there with the facts, which sex crime is part of. Interesting, did you guys read the report? My summary: She already knew/knew of AM and that he lived there. She’d had an interaction with that group leaving that building at 11pm. She was sitting in her locked car at 2pm -because ‘she’s a female’. She heard the car door handle wiggling and then saw a group of men outside her car. So... she got out. She has PTSD, a yet does this line of work. The dickheads joke with her about wanting to see what she’d do if they did that. AM continues to be Fuhkey the Drunk Clown and walks to the elevator, eventually his pants come down, he is wearing boxers. He then grabs his cheeks. Police respond to a sex crime then degrade the crime to disorderly conduct. Dunno 189, maybe thats standard protocol to treat it as something more serious until shown otherwise? AM's dad was probably accusing her out of panic and also disbelief that his kid was being such a tool. To me this thing is playing out as it should - the cops responded, figured out the right charge, the complainant doesn't have to unfairly defend herself, the system does its thing and it moves to court. From a system pov I don't see an issue at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, HerrDrFunk said: Yes, and? You’re welcome for a simple summary of the alleged, actual police report facts. Edited September 27, 2019 by 189lb enforcers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrDrFunk Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Just now, 189lb enforcers? said: You’re welcome for a simple summary of the alleged, actual police report facts. Thanks? I'm trying to determine what your issue is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 12 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said: I’m betting that, ultimately, she’ll get that expensive therapy, alright. She should get a new job too, one where her condition won’t complicate her work concerning Chance, stressful interactions at 2am in a parking lot. Definitely this young lady needs a different job. Matthew’s trying to sneak into the girl’s car (under those circumstances) would scare any young woman, and most men. Considering it’s the States, and many of these guards carry, AM is fortunate he didn’t get shot. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: Dunno 189, maybe thats standard protocol to treat it as something more serious until shown otherwise? AM's dad was probably accusing her out of panic and also disbelief that his kid was being such a tool. To me this thing is playing out as it should - the cops responded, figured out the right charge, the complainant doesn't have to unfairly defend herself, the system does its thing and it moves to court. From a system pov I don't see an issue at all. I don’t see a system issue either and don’t know if the complainant called in a sex crime, or at least represented that story enough to warrant 911 initiating the response to an alleged sex crime. The only reason I’m here with these comments right now is because when I first commented in here that I saw it was first referenced as a sex crime, it was kinda shrugged off. So, I posted the a link to the report, questioned the validity and intent of the initial crime that was being investigated by the responding officer, and have since provided a reasonable summary of the police report. Others have expressed their outrage at this incident, instead I am expressing a line of questioning regarding mooning being a sex crime, an obvious disservice to survivors of actual sex crimes. I’m not sure why this isn’t being looked upon at face value and why I’m being told it’s no big deal. It’s a biggg deal, just not here, now. It’s much easier to cheer on the witch burning culture we have now than to stop it. I figured the media headlines, combined with what alleged crime the police were called in to investigate against AM, were discussion-worthy, but I see that... nope, wrong. Edited September 27, 2019 by 189lb enforcers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 14 minutes ago, HerrDrFunk said: Thanks? I'm trying to determine what your issue is? Buy a gazing ball instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 17 minutes ago, Alflives said: Definitely this young lady needs a different job. Matthew’s trying to sneak into the girl’s car (under those circumstances) would scare any young woman, and most men. Considering it’s the States, and many of these guards carry, AM is fortunate he didn’t get shot. Is the video of their baboonery and interaction with that guard out there for us to see yet? You think it would be. And wow, from the police interview video the female guard appears to have a very attractive figure. What a beauty, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrDrFunk Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said: I don’t see a system issue either and don’t know if the complainant called in a sex crime, or at least represented that story enough to warrant 911 initiating the response to an alleged sex crime. The only reason I’m here with these comments right now is because when I first commented in here that I saw it was first referenced as a sex crime, it was kinda shrugged off. So, I posted the a link to the report, questioned the validity and intent of the initial crime that was being investigated by the responding officer, and have since provided a reasonable summary of the police report. Others have expressed their outrage at this incident, instead I am expressing a line of questioning regarding mooning being a sex crime, an obvious disservice to survivors of actual sex crimes. I’m not sure why this isn’t being looked upon at face value and why I’m being gilded it’s no big deal. It’s a biggg deal, just not here, now. It’s much easier to cheer on the witch burning culture we have now than to stop it. I figured the media headlines, combined with what alleged crime the police were called in to investigate against AM, were discussion-worthy, but I see that... nope, wrong. That's not what's happening, at all, though. The reason why you seem to be the only one who has an issue with the reporting here is because the media is reporting on what Matthews did as what it was: disorderly conduct. If various outlets were accusing Matthews of a sex crime based on the police report, you'd definitely have a point; but they aren't. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 1 minute ago, 189lb enforcers? said: Is the video of their baboonery and interaction with that guard out there for us to see yet? You think it would be. And wow, from the police interview video the female guard appears to have a very attractive figure. What a beauty, I’m thinking AM had seen that guard before, and (like a 13 year old boy) was trying to get her attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Alflives said: I’m thinking AM had seen that guard before, and (like a 13 year old boy) was trying to get her attention. I’d like to see the video of those events. If it’s out there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 15 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said: Others have expressed their outrage at this incident, instead I am expressing a line of questioning regarding mooning being a sex crime, an obvious disservice to survivors of actual sex crimes. I’m not sure why this isn’t being looked upon at face value and why I’m being told it’s no big deal. It’s a biggg deal, just not here, now. yeah for sure thats a good point, its a bad idea to conflate one incident with something far more serious. I think its not a 'big deal' on here because its not really central to the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, HerrDrFunk said: That's not what's happening, at all, though. The reason why you seem to be the only one who has an issue with the reporting here is because the media is reporting on what Matthews did as what it was: disorderly conduct. If various outlets were accusing Matthews of a sex crime based on the police report, you'd definitely have a point; but they aren't. Not dying on this hill. Agree to disagree. How about the dad’s accusations? Do you know what exactly he is accusing her of lying about? If that’s even a thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrDrFunk Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 1 minute ago, 189lb enforcers? said: Not dying on this hill. Agree to disagree. How about the dad’s accusations? Do you know what exactly he is accusing her of lying about? If that’s even a thing? Why not cast some bones and find out for yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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