Auston Matthews being investigated for disorderly conduct in Scottsdale

[189lb enforcers?]

11 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

yeah for sure thats a good point, its a bad idea to conflate one incident with something far more serious. 

 

I think its not a 'big deal' on here because its not really central to the story. 

It was the initial basis for the story though. The shock-story generating a manufactured outrage isn’t about drunk athletes harassing a security guard, it’s about lewd public indecency, as far as the clickbait headlines go, until you read into it, which seems like the least crime-worthy things these morons did that night. 

 

(Dropping your pants = lewd public behaviour in our culture) 

 

Anyways, obviously this is nothing I wish to wear as a cross for the sake of looking at narratives and the use of language in media coverage, like you probably tried to reference earlier. 

Edited September 27, 2019 by 189lb enforcers?

[189lb enforcers?]

3 minutes ago, HerrDrFunk said:

Why not cast some bones and find out for yourself?

I’d rather have a condescending poster keep poking me for a rise. 

Have a nice day. 

[HerrDrFunk]

7 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said:

I’d rather have a condescending poster keep poking me for a rise. 

Have a nice day. 

Have fun manufacturing more outrage over nothing.

[Nucker 67]

Matthews may have to spend some time in ARI, court appearances etc. Makes sense to have thim there. TOR won't want this distration, during a year when they're going for it.

 

Matthews for Ekman-Larsson

 

Coyotes are in pretty good shape D-wise, with Chychrun, Goligoski and Hjalmarsson, with Soderstrom and Joseph developing. They might really like the idea of a Matthews - Kessel line.  TOR would probably have to add.

Edited September 27, 2019 by NUCKER67

[Monty]

11 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

Matthews for Ekman-Larsson

How many 1sts are the Coyotes including? 

[Nucker 67]

4 minutes ago, Monty said:

How many 1sts are the Coyotes including? 

TOR would have to add.

[Nucker 67]

Matthews, although a really great player, comes with a lot of baggage. Ekman-Larsson is an elite #1 Dman, that the Leafs desperately need to have any chance at a Cup. Oh yes, I think they would add to get Ekman-Larsson.

[JM_]

2 hours ago, 189lb enforcers? said:

It was the initial basis for the story though. The shock-story generating a manufactured outrage isn’t about drunk athletes harassing a security guard, it’s about lewd public indecency, as far as the clickbait headlines go, until you read into it, which seems like the least crime-worthy things these morons did that night. 

 

(Dropping your pants = lewd public behaviour in our culture) 

 

Anyways, obviously this is nothing I wish to wear as a cross for the sake of looking at narratives and the use of language in media coverage, like you probably tried to reference earlier. 

I guess I see a few different narratives and ways this story could have and might still go. The one I like is a person not willing to be shat upon and standing up for herself. 

[HerrDrFunk]

24 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

I guess I see a few different narratives and ways this story could have and might still go. The one I like is a person not willing to be shat upon and standing up for herself. 

I am hoping the "I wasn't going to press charges but his dad called me a liar so now I am" narrative is true. 

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Most headlines these days are a little misleading...if you gather "news" based on headlines, you're going to be set up for failure.

 

Read the story....get many different ones...to formulate an opinion.

 

If you have an issue with the language of media reports then don't buy in to them.  None of us did - we were mostly "outraged" at what did happen...not what the storyline tried to lead us to.

 

This was the first story I read:

 

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/auston-matthews-disorderly-conduct-1.5295831

 

Seems pretty reasonable to me.  If you're grabbing bits and pieces from Twitter it's likely not the best.

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7 hours ago, 189lb enforcers? said:

It was the initial basis for the story though.

The initial basis for the story was....Auston doing a bunch of dumb stuff that was directed at a woman trying to do her job.  I'm sure that when someone reports another person pulling down their pants it is reasonable to at least consider a sexual connotation in that (until it's ruled out).  Keep your damn pants up ... problem solved.

 

It also wasn't fair that his Dad tried to put HIS spin on in which made this woman a liar.   So if you're mad at the media for how they've presented this, where's your outrage for Dad?  This woman's taking on a bigshot and his Papa and there's all kinds of scrutiny that she'll face in that.   Good thing there's video to back it up or she'd likely be the one facing backlash.  Sadly.

 

What language should be used when someone tries to "communicate" using their buttcrack (even through boxers?).  I guess it's open to interpretation because there's no Google translation for it.

[NewbieCanuckFan]

On 9/24/2019 at 4:28 PM, Jimmy McGill said:

All Canucks fans need to wear underwear outside their pants and stand for the whole game the next time the Leafs are in town. 

But what about those that prefer to go "commando style"?

[189lb enforcers?]

46 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

The initial basis for the story was....Auston doing a bunch of dumb stuff that was directed at a woman trying to do her job.  I'm sure that when someone reports another person pulling down their pants it is reasonable to at least consider a sexual connotation in that (until it's ruled out).  Keep your damn pants up ... problem solved.

 

It also wasn't fair that his Dad tried to put HIS spin on in which made this woman a liar.   So if you're mad at the media for how they've presented this, where's your outrage for Dad?  This woman's taking on a bigshot and his Papa and there's all kinds of scrutiny that she'll face in that.   Good thing there's video to back it up or she'd likely be the one facing backlash.  Sadly.

 

What language should be used when someone tries to "communicate" using their buttcrack (even through boxers?).  I guess it's open to interpretation because there's no Google translation for it.

Whatever you say, Deb. 

 

Keep your pants, up, agreed. I am not defending the behaviour. 

 

Of all the things these morons did during this incident, this is the crime? 

Pretty boring news title otherwise I bet. 

 

I asked what the dad is claiming she’s lied about, but nobody replied. I don’t know. Why are you outraged at the dad, exactly? I hear he called the war vet victim a liar, but what she’s lied about, nobody is saying in here. Maybe you know. 

 

Have you ever mooned anyone? 

I don’t think I have, but I know it’s more common than pulling on a car door handle, of an occupied car at 2am, the creepy part of the harassment, in my books, yet this is sensational news - Man drops pants in front of mentally ill female war vet... 

 

We all know what that phrase implies in the headlines.

I’d rather just concede that right in the language by somehow adding some context that he wasn’t mooning her or showing her his junk. 

 

Btw, in case you first missed it, I got that news report from TSN where the report was included in the sensationalized story, then taken down. Since I was talking about it, I found it and posted it. I don’t have Twitter. The only twitter I see is on this site, actually. 

 

[falcon45ca]

Hey, at least he didnt pull a Kuznetsov!

 

 

Seriously tho, 10 game suspension and a written apology on a very ornate sheet of parchment seems fair.

 

Let's bring back civility folks.

[Saved_by_Jesus]

 

22 hours ago, 189lb enforcers? said:

 

And wow, from the police interview video the female guard appears to have a very attractive figure. What a beauty, 

 

I briefly posted a very "revealing" photo of the complainant, to confirm that, yes, this is the case.  But have deleted it after thinking twice.

 

She did post the picture publicly, so I don't think it was offside, but I can only imagine the firestorm this could have started, given the intense discussions going on in this thread.

 

Edited September 28, 2019 by Saved_by_Jesus

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13 hours ago, 189lb enforcers? said:

 

Of all the things these morons did during this incident, this is the crime? 

 

 

I asked what the dad is claiming she’s lied about, but nobody replied. I don’t know. Why are you outraged at the dad, exactly? I hear he called the war vet victim a liar, but what she’s lied about, nobody is saying in here. Maybe you know. 

 

Have you ever mooned anyone? 

I don’t think I have, but I know it’s more common than pulling on a car door handle, of an occupied car at 2am, the creepy part of the harassment, in my books, yet this is sensational news - Man drops pants in front of mentally ill female war vet... 

 

We all know what that phrase implies in the headlines.

I’d rather just concede that right in the language by somehow adding some context that he wasn’t mooning her or showing her his junk. 

 

Btw, in case you first missed it, I got that news report from TSN where the report was included in the sensationalized story, then taken down. Since I was talking about it, I found it and posted it. I don’t have Twitter. The only twitter I see is on this site, actually. 

 

I don't know where you saw/got that headline?   Perhaps it was already done, but can you state where it's from?

 

 This is NOT the crime...I believe it's being intoxicated and disorderly?  But if someone receives a report that includes pants being down around an ankle...it's likely investigated from all angles, not just the one that was intended.   Then ruled out as they get the gist.  Anyone pulling their pants down in public?  For any reason?  Not cool.  Mooning isn't funny and it's long past its expiry date.  

 

The Dad reportedly said  something like his son would never do this.  So, basically, that she lied about the entire thing...until video was produced and he reportedly disappeared and has no further comment.  This is what I've read.

 

I have not mooned anyone, nope.  But the car handle deal was part of the entire "charge"...so it's warranted to be included as such.  Not with sexual connotations, no.  But consider that gang rapes often start off as a bunch of drunk punks "having fun" and wanting a reaction.  Some take it too far.  So the victim has no idea what will transpire...only that it's got potential to turn bad.  So don't put people in that position if you don't want it considered.  Two am?  Isolated area and woman in her car?  Not cool at all.

 

I, too, hate sensationalized and misleading headlines...but that's not what the thread is about.  It's about AM being an ass and someone responding to that.   This wouldn't be an issue to me if he had simply mooned her with his boxers on.  Happens.  But, in considering what transpired prior to this...she's got every reason to be pissed and to want to now follow up.  It's about accountability and sometimes you have to force it upon people when they're not standing up on their own.  Dad and son both had opportunity to own it, apologize and move on and it likely would have diffused things a bit. 

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23 hours ago, 189lb enforcers? said:

I’m betting that, ultimately, she’ll get that expensive therapy, alright. 

She should get a new job too, one where her condition won’t complicate her work concerning Chance, stressful interactions at 2am in a parking lot. 

 

 

22 hours ago, 189lb enforcers? said:

Is the video of their baboonery and interaction with that guard out there for us to see yet? 

You think it would be. 

 

And wow, from the police interview video the female guard appears to have a very attractive figure. What a beauty, 

 

You seem very hostile toward the victim here....not sure why that is.  If you're upset over the reporting (by the media), why all the hostility toward her?

 

How about giving her credit for DOING her job despite the fear that likely came with it?   She explained that her military training kicks in to some degree...I commend a woman who won't just crumble in fear and continues to do her job.  There is internet tough and there is real life tough...for me, she demonstrated real life tough and didn't buckle under pressure because her job called upon her not to.  I'd say she did well.

How would you have handled this?   She did everything protocol asked of her.

Cops/security personnel have to contend with these situations....even when there are armed/dangerous people they run toward danger, not away from it.  They don't know, in that moment, intent, etc.  So, perhaps she's doing a great job?  Despite the adversity that comes with the job...amplified by being a woman alone in isolation out there...she took charge of the situation.

 

There isn't video from outside of the incident...she's explained where cameras are located and the video is from inside the building.  

 

And wow, you're stating that you're upset with the sexual connotation in reporting yet here you are, doing that very thing??  What, on earth, is this supposed to be about?  This is beyond unacceptable to me.

Please explain, because now I'm upset for the very same reasons you claim to be.  
 

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Ad wow, from the police interview video the female guard appears to have a very attractive figure. What a beauty, 

 

 

SMH at the level of sexism here - so absolutely inappropriate on every level.  I actually had to go back in a "did I really just read that?" way.

 

 

 

[xereau]

This is litigious harassment at its worst.

 

Would be nothing if Matthews was a nobody, there's no way its 'worth' anyone's time!

 

But this security guard knows he has money, as does her creepy lawyer.

This whole story from top to.. bottom, is scummy.

 

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5 minutes ago, xereau said:

This is litigious harassment at its worst.

 

Would be nothing if Matthews was a nobody, there's no way its 'worth' anyone's time!

 

But this security guard knows he has money, as does her creepy lawyer.

This whole story from top to.. bottom, is scummy.

 

This is what's wrong with the world....if you have money, it doesn't make you immune and the sense of entitlement that drives some of this thinking needs to stop.

 

Are there opportunists and gold diggers?  Sure.  But, generally, they pursue the $$, it doesn't work in reverse.  Let's remember how this  reportedly unfolded and who initiated and persisted here.

 

Someone on the job has to file reports, etc.  It's how it works.

 

It's a good discussion to have.  We don't know the whole truth but it seems the apologies (even if weak) indicate there was bad behaviour.  And it was directed at someone.

 

It's the entire foundation of bullying...which we're trying to put a halt to, right??  

[189lb enforcers?]

1 hour ago, debluvscanucks said:

I don't know where you saw/got that headline?   Perhaps it was already done, but can you state where it's from?

 

 This is NOT the crime...I believe it's being intoxicated and disorderly?  But if someone receives a report that includes pants being down around an ankle...it's likely investigated from all angles, not just the one that was intended.   Then ruled out as they get the gist.  Anyone pulling their pants down in public?  For any reason?  Not cool.  Mooning isn't funny and it's long past its expiry date.  

 

The Dad reportedly said  something like his son would never do this.  So, basically, that she lied about the entire thing...until video was produced and he reportedly disappeared and has no further comment.  This is what I've read.

 

I have not mooned anyone, nope.  But the car handle deal was part of the entire "charge"...so it's warranted to be included as such.  Not with sexual connotations, no.  But consider that gang rapes often start off as a bunch of drunk punks "having fun" and wanting a reaction.  Some take it too far.  So the victim has no idea what will transpire...only that it's got potential to turn bad.  So don't put people in that position if you don't want it considered.  Two am?  Isolated area and woman in her car?  Not cool at all.

 

I, too, hate sensationalized and misleading headlines...but that's not what the thread is about.  It's about AM being an ass and someone responding to that.   This wouldn't be an issue to me if he had simply mooned her with his boxers on.  Happens.  But, in considering what transpired prior to this...she's got every reason to be pissed and to want to now follow up.  It's about accountability and sometimes you have to force it upon people when they're not standing up on their own.  Dad and son both had opportunity to own it, apologize and move on and it likely would have diffused things a bit. 

Again, and hopefully for the last time, I posted what I thought was an interesting aside and fact, that the Responding Officer was responding to a sex crime, which is in the first sentence of the police report. You and I both agree that nothing in this story says sex crime, so why were the police responding to one?

 

End of.

That’s the point of me bringing up the police report, not victim shaming or my supposed making of excuses for those dickheads having harassed that woman. 

 

Next, the daddy stuff. Thanks for the info. So, what I have now is that daddy said something along the lines of, “my son wouldn’t do that.” And he’s an awful human for it because, you know, no mother would ever err on the side of their kid before hearing all the facts, as you know very well, Mama Deb... Hideous monster daddy is just like most dads, I bet.

 

But sure, maybe daddy made a dick move; he shoulda, woulda, coulda said something else. We’ve all been there with our kids, I’m almost sure of that. 

 

Like I said, and as you’re parroting above, the trying to get into a car is the creepy part of this. I found those actions to be the actual crimes, but I’m no jury.

 

Why isn’t that the focal point though?

Because ripping his pants off is the headliner... so come on, let’s just admit that sex sells, just like this story was meant to. You are lecturing me on that the story is the summation of those events, when clearly it’s not, or at least wasn’t at first, which is where and when I got my info, but I said all that so I don’t get why I’d need to repeat that. 

 

The story itself doesn’t particularly interest me. I’ve seen drunken mischief and misdemeanours and all that so many times in my youth that this doesn’t even register as interesting. I don’t believe the woman was in actual danger, I think the guys were not malicious or greasy, but I wasn’t there to be certain. Having that video of the incident would sure be nice right now...

 

I’m not saying I’m right about anything.

All I wanted to initially post was to highlight was the sex crime aspect and to say that dropping your pants doesn’t mean what it used to, I guess.

 

Feel free to disagree. It’s not an argument, it’s an opinion. 

 

Lastly, at the expense of more victim shaming perceptions here, why in the puck did she get out of her car, under all the very creepy conditions you described above, to confront this drunk mob of frisky men if she was so terrified?

 

Not saying she wasn’t terrified, I’m asking why would she get out of the car?

 

She’s a war vet, a tactically trained person taught how to protect herself under fire, correct? I’d hope that our ladies would have more sense than to voluntarily exit a locked car under those circumstances, let alone a war vet. 

 

 

Edited September 28, 2019 by 189lb enforcers?