Eriksson's Future (Discussion)

[J.I.A.H.N]

4 and 1 without Eriksson in the lineup

 

Well, I can only hope Benning and Green do not fold, after coming this far. They have sat Eriksson's butt in the stands, and have played the Schaller's, Motte's, Gaudette's and Leivo's, over playing Eriksson, and good on them for doing so.  Soon, we will be making another roster move, or 2, to make room for MR. $3,000,000  Roussel, so what will happen?

 

Maybe there will be an injury, maybe a trade, maybe a conditioning stint, but there should not be a reason good enough to play Eriksson, in fact, I would argue, he is not in game shape at this point, and the first indication that he is either coming back into the line-up or being traded, will be a 2 week conditioning stint to Utica.

 

Speaking of Utica, we have 2 players, that in their first games in Utica, made statements that they are NHL players, so do they get rewarded for being good soldiers, and not making a sound. MacEwen is sitting down there waiting for his turn, as well as Lind, who they might bring up for an emergency call up, as well.

 

All are skating hard by all accounts, and are all deserving of Benning's attention. 

 

Eriksson, must see the writing on the wall, and his agent must be talking to Benning. I truly hope Benning is honest and does not sugar coat it. IMO, the frank talk should be between Eriksson and his agent, where the truth is talked about.

 

IMO, Loui, if you want to play regularly, it will either have to be Utica, or retirement and the SHL. I honestly think that is his options, other than siting in the stands. I see too many hungry players, working hard to get to the big show, too many players wanting to stay on the big club.

 

With our team being much bigger and stronger, there is a very real possibility, that injury replacement, could be substantially less. So far the hits are not coming to our players, we are initiating those hits, and when the hits do come, we are big enough to absorb them.

 

This all eventually comes around to Eriksson not playing and what he wants. It comes to his agent being honest, and Benning being honest, and it comes down to Eriksson values, and whether money is more important than happiness.

 

Possibility, there is one other option, and that is the decision has already been made, and that is, Loui has been told he is not playing, and that they will sit him as long as there is not  a need, before making the decision to send him down. For now, that works, but there will be a time, when that decision will have to be made.

 

That will be the time, Loui will have to make his decision. I believe the Canucks have to show good faith here, because there is not immediate need, but when they can show, they have a need, then they will be able to justify.....that will be the start of the end...…...One would hope. 

 

Personally, I do not think Loui gets traded, as I think that comes with cap retention, the need for the Canucks to save as much of Loui's million annual cap hit, and I think Benning would rather pay Loui this year, then have a portion of cap retention of a cap buyout exist on the books, for the next 3 to 6 years. So, pay him now, and hope, or pay him his bonus at the beginning of next season, and say good by, as he either retires or fails to report.

 

My point to this discussion is that, the problem may have already been solved, and if not, I hope that Benning and Green do not play him. Let him sit, let others pass him. He will pack it in sooner than later, if it is not all about money. If it is, well, it is probably the first time in a long time Loui is no really hurting from playing....unless it is hemorrhoids and splinters.

 

I personally, would love to here your opinions of that side of the Loui debate......not really how good he is, or who, or how we can trade him, but more so what do you think is the plan with Loui? Not that we do or don't want him.

[Drive-By Body Pierce]

[Junkyard Dog]

The future is already here...

 

 

Way way up there.

[Drive-By Body Pierce]

4 hours ago, Junkyard Dog said:

The future is already here...

 

 

Way way up there.

He sees the ice very well.

[IBatch]

I agree with most of this except for the part where with LE the only way he sticks around is if it’s all about the money.  Maybe he really loves hockey still and doesn’t want to do anything but play out the contract he signed with the club.   And maybe he’d be happy to do that whether or not he’s on the big club or in Utica.   I don’t think this “problem” will absolutely go away on its own just because he’s sitting (for now).   Injuries haven’t hit yet but we all know they will - hopefully, like the OP suggests not as bad as past years as the bigger players are in the lineup and more contact initiated then received then recent years ...

 

LE still gets to practice with the team and work out - so not sure about the conditioning stint angle either.  Maybe he gets a game maybe he doesn’t.   It does definitely look like he’s the next guy on his way down when Roussel is back - and not sure if the bench will just get shorter and guys will come and go more frequently from Utica or if we have a trade in the works ...

 

What I absolutely don’t want to see is any sort of buyout now or next year or a year later with LE, it simply isn’t worth extending our cap issues and deferring half of it for later.  We already have seen what not having 3 million can do to a team that only has Boeser and Horvat under second contracts....what is an additional three million going to do for four years (if we buy him out next season) .... maybe it will help a little with wiggle room in the short term but it won’t help us when we are ready to truly compete.   Rather we just took our medicine and finished what we started with this guy even if it means he’s going to the minors, and he’s happy to play down there. 

[Ghostsof1915]

Wonder if Columbus would accept Eriksson, a 6th round pick and $1.5 million retained in exchange for a 7th rounder? 

[NewbieCanuckFan]

2 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

Wonder if Columbus would accept Eriksson, a 6th round pick and $1.5 million retained in exchange for a 7th rounder? 

I doubt Torts would have much use for him.  

[VegasCanuck]

Although I generally agree with what's being said, I'm not sure why we needed another LE thread instead of just posting in the current one.

 

[Borvat]

This topic is so over cooked.  Because we don't know what's going on we can only speculate and it has been speculated to death.  No one here has any say in the matter and you are going to get all the same opinions already written in numerous threads - only in a condensed version.  So if that's the case here is mine which as usual some will agree and some won't. I really can't wait until this is over:

 

I send him to Utica and sit him in the press box - in Utica - for this whole  year.   He only has $1M left in salary this year with another $3M bonus next July.  I say he will retire after that if he can make it through the year sitting out in Utica without retiring. 

 

I honestly don't think the Canucks owe him any (more) favors and I think he just retires - at least after next July having not played one game all year and the prospect of not playing one game the following year if he remains. 

 

The team is better without him and there is no room for him here or in Utica.  He is just a distraction at this point.  I give no decent prospects or picks to shed him. Salary retention is not really an option either based on the current cap retention/buyout/Luongo issues.  I hate this topic.

Edited October 18, 2019 by Borvat

[NewbieCanuckFan]

22 minutes ago, Borvat said:

This topic is so over cooked.  Because we don't know what's going on we can only speculate and it has been speculated to death.  No one here has any say in the matter and you are going to get all the same opinions already written in numerous threads - only in a condensed version.  So if that's the case here is mine which as usual some will agree and some won't. I really can't wait until this is over:

 

I send him to Utica and sit him in the press box - in Utica - for this whole  year.   He only has $1M left in salary this year with another $3M bonus next July.  I say he will retire after that if he can make it through the year sitting out in Utica without retiring. 

 

I honestly don't think the Canucks owe him any (more) favors and I think he just retires - at least after next July having not played one game all year and the prospect of not playing one game the following year if he remains. 

 

The team is better without him and there is no room for him here or in Utica.  He is just a distraction at this point.  I give no decent prospects or picks to shed him. Salary retention is not really an option either based on the current cap retention/buyout/Luongo issues.  I hate this topic.

He *also* has a base salary of $3 million (with "only" a $1 million bonus) in the year after.  That's $4 million for doing nothing within fairly easy driving of New York city.  What an easy vacation.  I doubt he retires  (plus the air travel to Sweden gets cut significantly from New York state than Vancouver).  Course who knows.

[J.I.A.H.N]

The reason for this post, is that, the other posts are littered with "Loui is no good" posts, or Loui is lazy posts, and or send him to Utica comments. I wanted to re-focus, on the real issues, as we already know, how much Loui is worth, and its not 6M for his play...….but I do not want to talk about his value, just what happens next.

 

The have already established that Loui is below Gaudette and Motte, for that last game roster spot. When Roussel gets back, that will be 4 men, that will be competing for that one game spot. We already know that Gaudette and Motte are deemed more needed, as they are walking past Loui's nose into the change room, regularly for the last 5 games

 

And again, they also have some players playing well in Utica, that will be pushing to come up.

 

So, how does it all play out?

 

I think there is also a risk, that the Canucks are sending pending UFA's, and that is, the Canucks will not necessarily follow through with their negotiated promises. I think those are all very important to talk about. And this thread is to pull out those opinions, which are quite separate from his on Ice abilities..

[the grinder]

7 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:

 The reason for this post, is that, the other posts are littered with "Loui is no good" posts, or Loui is lazy posts, and or send him to Utica comments. I wanted to re-focus, on the real issues, as we already know, how much Loui is worth, and its not 6M for his play...….but I do not want to talk about his value, just what happens next.

 

The have already established that Loui is below Gaudette and Motte, for that last game roster spot. When Roussel gets back, that will be 4 men, that will be competing for that one game spot. We already know that Gaudette and Motte are deemed more needed, as they are walking past Loui's nose into the change room, regularly for the last 5 games

 

And again, they also have some players playing well in Utica, that will be pushing to come up.

 

So, how does it all play out?

 

I think there is also a risk, that the Canucks are sending pending UFA's, and that is, the Canucks will not necessarily follow through with their negotiated promises. I think those are all very important to talk about. And this thread is to pull out those opinions, which are quite separate from his on Ice abilities..

  no one wants him  you can retain his full contract and still no one is gonna take him because of the cap hit , so sit him in the press box till he rots or send him to Utica so he can ride the bus and sit in the press box there ,or loan him to a team in sweden, then buy him out next year . ufa,s   what are you worried about ufa,s for   ?   did sam gagne affect signing 4 ufa.s  for this year ? no   it  is pro hockey  every one know it is a performance based business, if you don't preform  , next up ,  Canucks have  always honoured the contracts 

Edited October 19, 2019 by the grinder

[Borvat]

1 hour ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

He *also* has a base salary of $3 million (with "only" a $1 million bonus) in the year after.  That's $4 million for doing nothing within fairly easy driving of New York city.  What an easy vacation.  I doubt he retires  (plus the air travel to Sweden gets cut significantly from New York state than Vancouver).  Course who knows.

Well if that is what he wants then sure.  He has made over $60M USD in his career and I would assume he has some pride. 

 

If he wants to become the (bigger) joke/talk of the league and leave a legacy like that it would really surprise me.  Again, who knows.  So sick of this.

Edited October 18, 2019 by Borvat

[qwijibo]

15 minutes ago, Borvat said:

Well if that is what he wants then sure.  He has made over $60M USD in his career and I would assume he has some pride. 

 

If he wants to become the (bigger) joke/talk of the league and leave a legacy like that it would really surprise me.  Again, who knows.  So sick of this.

What his career earning are is immaterial. The fact remains that he’s owed $9m over the next 3 seasons.  That’s not chump change.  

[Borvat]

9 minutes ago, qwijibo said:

What his career earning are is immaterial. The fact remains that he’s owed $9m over the next 3 seasons.  That’s not chump change.  

His career earnings are absolutely material - if I have no millions I sit - if I have made $60 USD plus millions I consider what else I would rather do than be a joke for 3 years and sit in a Utica press box.   There are numerous examples of guys retiring with money left on the table in various sports leagues. 

 

After next July (when he get's another $3M bonus) it's $5M remaining.  So he makes $4M for sitting this year only.  He has to sit another 2 full seasons for the remaining $5M.  I would hope he has some pride and can make that in Sweden or wherever if he still wants to play at age 35+.   

Edited October 18, 2019 by Borvat

[Googlie]

54 minutes ago, Borvat said:

His career earnings are absolutely material - if I have no millions I sit - if I have made $60 USD plus millions I consider what else I would rather do than be a joke for 3 years and sit in a Utica press box.   There are numerous examples of guys retiring with money left on the table in various sports leagues. 

 

After next July (when he get's another $3M bonus) it's $5M remaining.  So he makes $4M for sitting this year only.  He has to sit another 2 full seasons for the remaining $5M.  I would hope he has some pride and can make that in Sweden or wherever if he still wants to play at age 35+.   

He wouldn't be sitting in a Utica press box

He'd instantly become the best player on their roster, Baer and Goldy notwithstanding

[Borvat]

1 minute ago, Googlie said:

He wouldn't be sitting in a Utica press box

He'd instantly become the best player on their roster, Baer and Goldy notwithstanding

Depends on how he reacts to being sent down.  The best scenario is he plays well enough to be traded.  Problem remains no one wants the cap hit including the Canucks nor can they afford to retain.  He may need help deciding to retire.   

[JM_]

2 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:

 

So, how does it all play out?

 

like it has been. If/When two guys get injured he'll play. When Roussel comes back he gets sent down. I suspect we'll see Baer moved as well to make the cap space for Roussel. 

[NewbieCanuckFan]

2 hours ago, Borvat said:

His career earnings are absolutely material - if I have no millions I sit - if I have made $60 USD plus millions I consider what else I would rather do than be a joke for 3 years and sit in a Utica press box.   There are numerous examples of guys retiring with money left on the table in various sports leagues. 

 

After next July (when he get's another $3M bonus) it's $5M remaining.  So he makes $4M for sitting this year only.  He has to sit another 2 full seasons for the remaining $5M.  I would hope he has some pride and can make that in Sweden or wherever if he still wants to play at age 35+.   

Nobody put a gun to Benning's head and forced him to create such a contract to Louie.  Benning took a gamble and lost.  I can't blame Louie E for signing such a deal (I can dislike his performance but that's a separate issue).  I doubt he can make similiar coin in Sweden (he doesn't have the 'rep' of a Sundin, Forsberg or even Nazzy).  I suspect he can be moved (we'll have to eat salary + give up a pick) after this season or the next.  Not this season.

[Borvat]

1 hour ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

Nobody put a gun to Benning's head and forced him to create such a contract to Louie.  Benning took a gamble and lost.  I can't blame Louie E for signing such a deal (I can dislike his performance but that's a separate issue).  I doubt he can make similiar coin in Sweden (he doesn't have the 'rep' of a Sundin, Forsberg or even Nazzy).  I suspect he can be moved (we'll have to eat salary + give up a pick) after this season or the next.  Not this season.

Nobody put a gun to Loui's head and forced him to take all that money.  He knew as a long term pro this is a results based business and with a contract comes expectations and responsibilities to perform.  Loui took the contract in good faith understanding this and failed. 

 

He has been paid $27M USD to date and played 3 seasons producing 76 total points (32 Goals) and a -20 +/-.  That equates to almost $1M per goal.  Now he can hold them hostage for another $9M.    So one party to the contract is expected to pay up and play nice while the other fails in performing?  I say make it difficult for him that's all.  

 

Edited October 18, 2019 by Borvat