captainhorvat Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 Resign marky to a 4yr deal and protect demko. Benning will throw Seattle a 2nd pick or quality prospect to draft Ferland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70seven Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 Personally I’d trade Marky... Vancouver won’t be winning much this season. It’s about asset management in this case. I’m clearly a Demko believer.... Shop for a veteran backup... turn Marky+ into a top 6 F, or picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 (edited) He'll live to the grand old age of 93, have fathered several children and be grandfather to many grandchildren. He'll invest in clean energy and make more money doing that than he ever did playing hockey and spend his golden years maintaining his wildlife conservation efforts and thinking back to all the animals that weren't extinct when he was twenty-three. He'll also have a robotic monkey named Beebo that he takes with him everywhere. Edited November 19, 2019 by Coconuts 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nergish Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Coconuts said: He'll live to the grand old age of 93, have fathered several children and be grandfather to many grandchildren. He'll invest in clean energy and make more money doing that than he ever did playing hockey and spend his golden years maintaining his wildlife conservation efforts and thinking back to all the animals that weren't extinct when he was twenty-three. He'll also have a robotic monkey named Beebo that he takes with him everywhere. He’ll probably shrink an inch in his old age too. Heard it here first. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Maybe sign him to a contract where most of the money owed to him will be paid to him in the ED year in Hope's that Seattle looks for a cheaper option elsewhere. We cant protect them both but we can make him less appealing. in the end if he goes there it means the rest of our team is intact and by then Demko should be ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliboy Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Hopefully he gets back into form. It takes a while to get clear mentally when you lose a family member like that. He may need a bit more time yet, not that he's been playing badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 10 hours ago, captainhorvat said: Resign marky to a 4yr deal and protect demko. Benning will throw Seattle a 2nd pick or quality prospect to draft Ferland. Ferland has a NMC tho, something I am sure Markstrom will be asking for you would have to think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hindustan Smyl Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, 70seven said: Personally I’d trade Marky... Vancouver won’t be winning much this season. It’s about asset management in this case. I’m clearly a Demko believer.... Shop for a veteran backup... turn Marky+ into a top 6 F, or picks I’m not sure if I agree with “Vancouver not winning much this season,” (all seasons have ebbs and flows), but I do agree that the complications of the cap and the expansion draft will force our hand. I would strongly consider a deal with Calgary. Calgary is a team that’s looking to upgrade their goaltending. We do a Markstrom for Talbot swap where Demko and Talbot can do a 50/50 split. We then trade either one forward or one defenseman along with Markstrom to Calgary, so that we receive an upgraded forward or defenseman into return (so essentially, the difference in the downgrade from Markstrom to Talbot would be the equivalent in the upgrade from our defenseman to Calgary’s defenseman.......or one of our forwards for their forwards). For example - Markstrom and Stecher for Talbot and Rasmus Andersson? Edited November 20, 2019 by Hindustan Smyl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhorvat Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 46 minutes ago, Canuckster86 said: Ferland has a NMC tho, something I am sure Markstrom will be asking for you would have to think Im 100% sure ferlys contract allows him to be exposed for expansion draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted November 23, 2019 Author Share Posted November 23, 2019 On 11/19/2019 at 9:35 PM, captainhorvat said: Im 100% sure ferlys contract allows him to be exposed for expansion draft. NMC clause for the 1st 2 years, then a Modified NTC for the last 2 years. So, not sure how that works...as the expansion draft is in June of 2021? the end of his 2nd season with us containing a full NMC. Semantics I tell you!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptCanuck16 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 On 10/20/2019 at 9:08 PM, Canuckster86 said: What sort of extension for Markstrom term/ cap hit/ NTC/NMC would make most Canuck fans comfortable going forward? I'd offer him 2 years at $4m. By the end of that contract Demko should be ready to take over as number 1 and they can switch roles/salaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) Tough spot for Marky. At his age, he has run out of "show me" years, and is now in the "pay me" years. If he doesn't get his big long contract now, he never will. (Or, at least, that money contract will be shortened). While a shorter contract with the Canucks is best for us, perhaps this forces him to walk in search of a team willing to give him long term security. Edited November 24, 2019 by kloubek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 16 hours ago, CptCanuck16 said: I'd offer him 2 years at $4m. By the end of that contract Demko should be ready to take over as number 1 and they can switch roles/salaries. Have my doubts he’ll take that, if he continues this level of play... but who knows. Didnt we pay Miller 3x6mill? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) Signing JM to more then a 2 year deal is a mistake IMO...3 might be ok. Think we need his cap and also that there is a high likelihood he won’t get picked up from Seattle anyways. Holtby will also be available (Samsonov is their goalie of the future) who do you think Seattle will want? Similar ages, ones a Vezina winner and finalist and gets some shut-outs each year - and has played at a very high level for years - and had a cup ring. The other has played at a high level for one calendar year (so far), doesn’t steal games outright - at least not nearly as often - but could be on the up and up ala Thomas...ok not like him. Every year goalies move up and down, heck Elliot has played some great hockey this year (up and down his entire career) first star of the week etc one of the three stars for Oct etc. Same with last years back-up Nilsson in OTT. We shouldn’t be so worried about losing Markstrom - Demko is the future horse, might as well rip the bandaid off and go out and get whatever we can for JM as a rental which of course will include a backup coming back our way. Signing him to a long term or even medium deal comes with too much risk IMO, for a guy that’s only done it for 12 months so far and still seems to let the first goal in, in the first half of the first period - most games. JM is a great teammate and I’m rooting for the guy - but anyone who thinks we have one of the best tandems in the league hasn’t done their research. THN recently did a goalie issue and we didn’t even make the top ten (although close) - on a positive note we’ve been near DFL the last couple of years so it’s a huge improvement. Demko is just as much as a reason for the improvement as is Markstroms better play. He’s gone from a goalie that couldn’t make the top thirty cut to middle of the row. If there was ever a time to cut bait it’s now. It’s a win win IMO. We get an asset back, cut his 5milion plus salary off of next years roster - and avoid what I think is a big risk of either him regressing or not having a spot for Demko or both as maybe he goes the way of LE (becomes a cap anchor we can’t trade). It’s still a win if he goes on and crushes it for another team as he’s a lovable guy. Like to see JB proactive on this front. Edited November 24, 2019 by IBatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 4 hours ago, kloubek said: Tough spot for Marky. At his age, he has run out of "show me" years, and is now in the "pay me" years. If he doesn't get his big long contract now, he never will. (Or, at least, that money contract will be shortened). While a shorter contract with the Canucks is best for us, perhaps this forces him to walk in search of a team willing to give him long term security. Totally agree. He has to get his long term deal with a competitive $. As a UFA he will get it IMO. He is a top 10 tender right now. He pretty much won the last 2 Vancouver games and you can point to a number of other games he did the same thing. The question becomes what contract Marky needs to stay and whether he will leave himself open to a move in exchange. Canucks could be forced to move him if they see Demko as the future. These decisions have to be made prior to the TDL IMHO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 7 minutes ago, Boudrias said: Totally agree. He has to get his long term deal with a competitive $. As a UFA he will get it IMO. He is a top 10 tender right now. He pretty much won the last 2 Vancouver games and you can point to a number of other games he did the same thing. The question becomes what contract Marky needs to stay and whether he will leave himself open to a move in exchange. Canucks could be forced to move him if they see Demko as the future. These decisions have to be made prior to the TDL IMHO. Absolutely. TG needs to play Demko as often as he can stomach - and against some top teams too just so we know what we have. This seasons playoffs aren’t the the be all end all, if there ever was another season to lose this would be it for a variety of reasons. I don’t think the rest of the league regards JM as high as we do (yet) either so perhaps that’s also in play. But either way the team needs the best read they can get from Demko and the largest sample size to make decisions properly on the future of our goaltending. Nilsson was crushing it in OTT recently - it’s not like we can’t find a cheap back-up for Demko. But signing JM to 5.5 x 5 deal would pretty much scuttle whatever plans we have for Demko - a deal like that we’d have to ADD like PIT did with Vegas just to make sure our team was the one out of 29 that they decide to get their starter from. I’m glad he’s turned it around - he’s likeable and really is a good goalie for the first time in his NHL career. Keeping him until he’s 35 or so and trading Demko instead would have to come with some serious trust there won’t be regression and he can still get better. So far Demko has been just as good...better statistics too and he’s definitely going to continue improving his craft as he’s not likely in his prime yet . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 marky might be the best chance for canucks to gain another first round pick. they could lose one in the expansion draft. if we make the playoffs we’ll need marky at least to season’s end. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 17 minutes ago, smithers joe said: marky might be the best chance for canucks to gain another first round pick. they could lose one in the expansion draft. if we make the playoffs we’ll need marky at least to season’s end. Yep. If a playoff team has significant goaltending issues - or a bubble team - they might be willing to part with a first rounder to shore things up. Don’t think we can safely plan to keep both for cap reason too - we will need whatever relief we can get from every corner of the team. If the team intends on doubling down on Markstrom then Demko would definitely get us a first back. One of the few guys not named Makar and Hughes to get Calder votes at the quarter season mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuporbust Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 On 11/19/2019 at 2:35 PM, 70seven said: Personally I’d trade Marky... Vancouver won’t be winning much this season. It’s about asset management in this case. I’m clearly a Demko believer.... Shop for a veteran backup... turn Marky+ into a top 6 F, or picks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 On 11/19/2019 at 11:24 AM, captainhorvat said: Resign marky to a 4yr deal and protect demko. Benning will throw Seattle a 2nd pick or quality prospect to draft Ferland. Not sure if Ferlands the guy but this is the idea I’ve had in my head. Regardless how the goaltending plays out we need to lock up Marky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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