I Think Green is crippling Pettersson with a dump and chase style

[mikeyman109]

17 hours ago, HorvatToBaertschi said:

The only thing I’m personally worried about is the amount of times both EP and BB have missed the net with wide open looks. Uncharacteristic of both of them. 

This!!!!!!!! Hit the net

[Psycho_Path]

Edit: Double Post

Edited October 28, 2019 by Psycho_Path

[Psycho_Path]

10 hours ago, Hindustan Smyl said:

@Psycho_Path - care to explain yourself son?

 

You don’t agree with my comments about Petey and Boeser........why?

Stating "It has nothing to do with the way Green is deploying them." is completely ridiculous. So you're saying that despite whatever system Green has in place Petterson and Boeser would have put up the points they put up? As if to say another system would have no effect on their point production? I'm not saying the OP is completely right in his assessment, but a different system designed better around offense could certainly improve the production of our stars. That's not to say that we should go away from a solid defensive system.

[NexusRift]

Geez! It's the first month of the season and not over yet. A young season and teams are still working the bugs out. Ferland was sick, and Boeser missed training camp.

 Petey getting more attention from opponents creating less ice for him, let alone adapting his game to a smaller ice surface. New players working out their roles in the system . Wait till December. See where we are and pass judgement then.

 

[flat land fish]

Pretty points get you on sports centre ugly points win you games.  The highlights will come i would be most happy if the winning continues.

[theo5789]

31 minutes ago, flat land fish said:

Pretty points get you on sports centre ugly points win you games.  The highlights will come i would be most happy if the winning continues.

If it's not on Sportscentre then it didn't happen.

[ChuckNORRIS4Cup]

I'm not going to get into the coaching system, heck they did score 8 goals in a game, and even 5 against a solid team like Washington, so I don't think scoring with the system is an issue.

 

I think it's all on Pettersson for why he's not scoring(goals), he's gripping that stick just a little to tight and trying to be to precise in sniping. I believe it was on CBC after hours at the end of the year last season when they were interviewing Pettersson and they asked him what he might work on and he said his shooting he wanted to work on his shooting in the off season, and I'll admit it surprised me a bit because I felt that wasn't what he had to work on, but I get it as a player you always want to get better. I got a feeling he practiced a lot trying to snipe top corner in the summer, and when I watch him in games right now and he goes for that shot he's trying to get that top corner but it's just missing high it seems a lot right now. I feel he's just over thinking it to much, and needs to relax a bit and go on his instinct more, just let it go don't try aiming it as hard right now, quickly see it and go for it, he just needs to trust himself because he's that skilled of a player. 

 

And of course other teams have noticed him and know they need to be on him closer and tighter, so need to factor that in a bit as well, but he also then needs to read off that and find a way to generate some more space later in the game once he reads them a bit. I'm sure he will open up soon in goals, he's learning the NHL still but he'll figure it out, the Sedins eventually did, Pettersson will too.

[Baggins]

I honestly don't care if Petey is scoring the goals or setting them up. As long as that line is scoring I could care less which one of them puts it in the net.

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, Baggins said:

I honestly don't care if Petey is scoring the goals or setting them up. As long as that line is scoring I could care less which one of them puts it in the net.

Agreed.  Petey is a super compete guy, and wants us to win.  He wants to win every shift.  He's amazing!  

[IBatch]

2 hours ago, Alflives said:

Agreed.  Petey is a super compete guy, and wants us to win.  He wants to win every shift.  He's amazing!  

Yep.  Petey hasn’t scored five points in a game and we are ten games in....ahhhhh jump off a cliff but first make a thread about TG system sucking.

[awalk]

Canucks fans devastated as 20 year old first line center only has a four, not five, four game point streak and only 12, that's right 12 meagre points in 10 full length games. "It's the biggest atrocity since Trent Klatt with the Sedins," one blogger lamented.

"Expectations aren't high enough for this second season veteran," shouted irate callers this morning on 650.

Meanwhile, 'Petey' Alien foam heads are 50% off at the Canucks store for a limited time only.

 

Edited October 29, 2019 by awalk

[Nuxfanabroad]

Reverse-jinx thread?!?

 

Oh, the IRONY!

[Devron]

Too bad he only has 3 assists tonight. He couldn’t even score tonight because of that dump and chase style we’ve been playing 

[Johnny Torts]

Replying PURELY to your title.

 

Yes Pettersson would get more goals on the rush, but he’s getting more points this way and will eventually tuck his chances anyways.

 

but I do agree with you, based on your title.

 

cheers

[*Buzzsaw*]

Tonight vs the Panthers, they actually were showing some creativity on the rush and carried the puck over the blue line more than any game I've seen yet this year.

 

Drop passes to one timers, criss crossing, maybe Green woke up and let them off the leash.

 

Lets hope this continues.

[Metal Face Doom]

Dude is playing at over a point a game clip and we are winning....sweet jesus.

[N4ZZY]

14 points in 11 games, and he's being "stiffled"?

 

I guess maybe Green's coaching "stifles" Pettersson's creativity, but he came out tonight with 3 points. I think he's finding his offensive groove to be honest, and so is the rest of the team. Jake has had 3 goals in the last 3-4 games? Horvat got a hat trick against Detroit, etc, etc. 

 

They scored 5 goals against Washington, and then poured another 7 on the Panthers. 12 goals in two games. The team seems like it's going. 

 

I'd also like to mention that Demko's been playing great when he's gotten chances to start. He's young at 23, but all signs are pointing him to being an elite goaltender in the NHL . I think Markström will eventually be moved. I'm not convinced Dipietro is NHL starter. But he's also off to a good start in the A. 

 

Anyways. I like Green. He hasn't been given much to work with the last several years, this year, he has a lot more talent on the roster, and the team is 7-3-1 so far into the season. Let's see where they're at, at the 25 game mark 

 

 

[Lancaster]

14 hours ago, awalk said:

Canucks fans devastated as 20 year old first line center only has a four, not five, four game point streak and only 12, that's right 12 meagre points in 10 full length games. "It's the biggest atrocity since Trent Klatt with the Sedins," one blogger lamented.

"Expectations aren't high enough for this second season veteran," shouted irate callers this morning on 650.

Meanwhile, 'Petey' Alien foam heads are 50% off at the Canucks store for a limited time only.

 

Didn't win Art Ross = Bust!  

 

 

lol

[stawns]

On 10/26/2019 at 11:04 PM, *Buzzsaw* said:

Here is what I see as happening to Pettersson:

 

-  He is scoring a lot less... and his goals are garbage goals... picked up from rebounds, close in plays, etc.  They are not the type of creative plays we saw last year.  The fact he is not scoring is completely uncharacteristic... he was known as a scorer in all his teams.

 

-  He is not scoring on the rush and he is not scoring powerplay goals... something he did last year regularly.

 

-  His effectiveness on even strength rushes has basically disappeared.  This is a function of the style that Green coaches.  Which is lunch bucket... play your position, straight up and down, dump the puck in and chase it.  Trying to force Pettersson into this style of play is a waste of his talents.  Pettersson is not a grind it out forechecking style of player... he is not a power forward... to expect him to play this style is a waste of natural skills.  He is a stickhandler, passer, with a tremendous shot who should be getting his opportunities off the rush.  But Green has gotten rid of any creativity on the team... with the exception of Hughes... who has it naturally and hasn't had it beaten out of him yet.  If you don't believe this is Green's plan, then you didn't watch the interview with Brock Boeser during the Washington game... when BB said they were coached to play it safe... get the puck in deep and then dig for it.  You can also see this with your own eyes every game.

 

To be effective, Pettersson should be on a line with players who are willing to skate with the puck out of their position, who can criss cross, use entries into the zone with one lineman behind the leader to take a drop pass, all the different combinations which a good team will use.  If you watched the Washington game, you saw examples of that frequently from the Cap's players... the whole team was criss crossing to confuse the Canuck defense and gain the zone... they used the drop pass frequently.  This type of play is not unusual... it is standard in the repetoire of any good NHL coach.  But unfortunately it seems to be missing in Green's coaching vocabulary.

 

The other completely strange thing is that Green and Newell Brown have completely given up on getting both Pettersson and Boeser one timers on the PP.  How this can be happening is completely a mystery.  The Canucks have in BB and EP two of the best shooters in the league... and Green has basically said... forget about shooting, focus on getting garbage goals from rebounds generated by shots from the point.  To say this is a failure is understating the point.  There are many teams in the league who have players with great one timers... Ovechkin is one.  Do you see the Washington coaches tell the Great 8 he should forget about setups for one timers????  Sure, it can be difficult to get those setups... but you don't give up.

 

Some will point to the fact Pettersson has 11 pts in 10 games... with a projection of a 90 pt season.  Well last year at 10 games he was projected to have a 130 pt season with 60 goals.  Everyone tails off at the end of the season.

 

As long as Green keeps restricting Pettersson's creativity, and fails to take advantage of his strong points, then EP will fail to develop.

 

I can already see Petey getting frustrated.

dump and chase is a whole lot better than turnover in the neutral zone

[stawns]

13 hours ago, N4ZZY said:

14 points in 11 games, and he's being "stiffled"?

 

I guess maybe Green's coaching "stifles" Pettersson's creativity, but he came out tonight with 3 points. I think he's finding his offensive groove to be honest, and so is the rest of the team. Jake has had 3 goals in the last 3-4 games? Horvat got a hat trick against Detroit, etc, etc. 

 

They scored 5 goals against Washington, and then poured another 7 on the Panthers. 12 goals in two games. The team seems like it's going. 

 

I'd also like to mention that Demko's been playing great when he's gotten chances to start. He's young at 23, but all signs are pointing him to being an elite goaltender in the NHL . I think Markström will eventually be moved. I'm not convinced Dipietro is NHL starter. But he's also off to a good start in the A. 

 

Anyways. I like Green. He hasn't been given much to work with the last several years, this year, he has a lot more talent on the roster, and the team is 7-3-1 so far into the season. Let's see where they're at, at the 25 game mark 

 

 

he's getting points and playing wel, but he still seems off from last year.  However, that has more to do with facing the best defensive players every shift he's on the ice than it does with Petey.  That said, he's going to need to learn to power through that.  I still think he and Boes are not a great pair because he's always looking for a pass to BB than shooting it himself.