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12 hours ago, RowdyCanuck said:

Ha that's cute city boy talking about tractor pulls when he probably doesn't even know how to drive one lol but then again their a lot bigger then that Prius so you probably couldn't handle it lol

also you should know king I like bull riding not tractor pulls come on lol

heck I could just see you at a tractor pull lol " some redneck would say look at that Deere run and you would be looking around for a real live deer lmfao

oh chew lol I actually do enjoy wintergreen but can't buy that in Alberta anymore but news flashs most chew companies are based in the states lol 

 

you realize alberta beef is just as famous as Alberta oil right?

so yea picture next time you eat a steak from your grocery store ha. 

 

Wasted yes to a degree but Alberta is still one of the top grain and beef producers , I'm not sure about chickens or pigs cause I don't know the numbers for the other provinces. 

You say wasted but in almost every town that has a company tied to oil has a new arena or sportsplex so it's not like the companies haven't gave back.....they have gave back more then any logging company or mill ive ever heard about it.......

So like I said if Alberta does leave your not just losing oil, it's not like Quebec , Alberta actually produces things we need to live every day life......

 

so maybe get out of your lil condo castle and check things out, they might surprise you and maybe you just might like it lol

 

dont worry king, I'm sure the rednecks in Alberta wouldn't make a king squeal......:bigblush:

take a listen cause the song lyrics hold some truth to them and don't worry this is the newer version cause I figured classic country isn't your thing lol

 

 

A- i lived in Edmonton for over 2 years.

B - worked on a dairy farm in BC for much of my youth....  driving tractor and helping with haying... - Relatives actually trucked cows and transfered Quota to Alberta... LOL

C- albertans  are  super nice people but face it... your governments have really let you all down.. with lack of vision and lack of saving and/or diversifying economy. 

D- i hate new country.... much prefer old school country....

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1 hour ago, Ryan Strome said:

I think we clearly paid for those benefits, more than anyone else in fact. 

paid how? 

 

its sad to me that you and many other Albertans don't see how much AB benefitted (and still benefits) by being part of Canada :sadno:

 

The pity party mythology is really destructive. 

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2 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

paid how? 

 

its sad to me that you and many other Albertans don't see how much AB benefitted (and still benefits) by being part of Canada :sadno:

 

The pity party mythology is really destructive. 

I keep saying it.  Circular argument leading to circular denial

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1 hour ago, kingofsurrey said:

A- i lived in Edmonton for over 2 years.

B - worked on a dairy farm in BC for much of my youth....  driving tractor and helping with haying... - Relatives actually trucked cows and transfered Quota to Alberta... LOL

C- albertan as super nice people but face it... your governments have really let you all down.. with lack of vision and lack of saving and/or diversifying economy. 

D- i hate new country.... much prefer old school country....

So you lived in Edmonton.....so have I and I didn't meet many country people in Ed , stone plains and vermillion different story.....there is a difference between redneck and country people....people from the country are some of the nicest people you'll meet, rednecks on the other hand lol they piss everyone off once in awhile....FYI I don't care for Alberta or for a lot of the rednecks that live here, Alberta is just a cheap knock off of Texas.....

also a lot of ranchers ship their cattle to Alberta to sell them so if Alberta leaves b.c better start thinking about that. 

Alberta has nice people.....yea far and between from what I've seen....lol that's my personal opinion.....

but im a cowboy not a redneck or a hillbilly cause being called one is a trigger in my books but I usually just use a come back to shut people up.....like call me a redneck and I'll park my truck on your Prius lol that one worked on acouple suits I worked with in Ed lol

 

i agree would be nice if we could just be one happy country but that won't happen....you say Alberta wasted it's money but what about all the money oil has given the government and they made the same mistakes......

everything crashes look at the logging industry in the 90's and some people learn and some people don't....

also how do you diversify when oil is such a big thing here....

and it's not like beef and grain is a small markets here. 

But cattle and grain can't make the type of money oil does.....

 

 

 

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29 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

paid how? 

 

its sad to me that you and many other Albertans don't see how much AB benefitted (and still benefits) by being part of Canada :sadno:

 

The pity party mythology is really destructive. 

When oil prices are high then yea Alberta does it more share but when oil prices crashes , Alberta is saved by being part of Canada....is that what you mean jimmy? If not I don't get it....

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40 minutes ago, RowdyCanuck said:

When oil prices are high then yea Alberta does it more share but when oil prices crashes , Alberta is saved by being part of Canada....is that what you mean jimmy? If not I don't get it....

You also pull labour from across the country, get security from being part of Canada, move oil across Canada, benefit from federal trade agreements, programs etc and many of you retire to other parts of the country where they collect CPP, health care costs etc (some of those 'costs' borne by other Provinces that you like to complain about having to 'pay for').

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7 minutes ago, aGENT said:

You also pull labour from across the country, get security from being part of Canada, move oil across Canada, benefit from federal trade agreements, programs etc and many of you retire to other parts of the country where they collect CPP, health care costs etc (some of those 'costs' borne by other Provinces that you like to complain about having to 'pay for').

So if Alberta left you don't think Alberta could set all that up on its own? 

It would be just like shipping oil or anything to the states and have to pay....so they would draw up new trade agreements....

a lot of countries employ people from out of their own country....so that wouldn't really matter...

also security from what? It would be pretty save unless Canada decided to take Alberta back lol or if trump wants it lol

i agree it's better for Alberta to stay with Canada but if you think Alberta couldn't survive by its own then go do your research.....

alberta produces almost everything they need. 

Also Canada would have to pay Alberta to use the refiners and so on. 

I worked as a business advisor in Alberta so it's pretty simple to see if you look ,get the numbers and think about the money Alberta would save if it only had to take care of it's self.....

also it would cost Alberta to move it's oil by it would be cheaper. 

Also Alberta has more then oil like I stated. It may not look like Alberta has much cause people focus on the oil but they could survive. They got mills up by Edson and Hinton and dairy farms and chicken barns scattered all over and don't forget grain.....

it would also be an easy sell right now to get s.k and Manitoba to join cause they don't trust JT.......

I'm not as dumb as I sound lol. 

 

I'm running for government so please vote lmfao I will make Alberta great again lmfao ( sarcasm ) 

 

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10 minutes ago, RowdyCanuck said:

So if Alberta left you don't think Alberta could set all that up on its own?

Not even remotely. You'd have zero leverage with a self serving US, a hostile ex, a mass exodus of workers fleeing and you're ignoring things like your share of national debt never mind the massive costs/inflation, taxes and problems with forming a new country, money etc.

 

It's a laughably, blindly ignorant idea. But carry on...

 

 

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3 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

I think we clearly paid for those benefits, more than anyone else in fact. 

Yup, Albertans are just terrible money managers. Yet 50% of the Canadian population are bordering on bankruptcy. They all must have moved to Alberta RS. 

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2 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Not even remotely. You'd have zero leverage with a self serving US, a hostile ex, a mass exodus of workers fleeing and you're ignoring things like your share of national debt never mind the massive costs/inflation, taxes and problems with forming a new country, money etc.

 

It's a laughably, blindly ignorant idea. But carry on...

 

 

Okay one thing your forgetting a lot of oil companies have Americans on their boards or are partners with Canadians , so yea Alberta could make a deal. Lol

 

also healthcare is already set up just change who's paying for it, it wouldn't be like Obama care in the states where he tried to start a new healthcare....

its easier then you think....lol

but I'll carry on lol

also the debt would just be paid back over time like most countries pay it off....

would it be cheap no , would it hurt yes but it's doable and only a fool would say Alberta would crash and burn.....

also you didn't touch on my comment about how easy s.k and Manitoba would be able to convince to join Alberta.....

provinces want to put their people first and if those three join, Canada is screwed, plain and simple....

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4 minutes ago, RowdyCanuck said:

Okay one thing your forgetting a lot of oil companies have Americans on their boards or are partners with Canadians , so yea Alberta could make a deal. Lol

And like now, who's interests do you think they're going to have ahead? Albertastan's? :lol: You think that's going to get BETTER on your own? :lol:

 

5 minutes ago, RowdyCanuck said:

also healthcare is already set up just change who's paying for it, it wouldn't be like Obama care in the states where he tried to start a new healthcare....

its easier then you think....lol

 

Wasn't actually referring to health care.

 

6 minutes ago, RowdyCanuck said:

also you didn't touch on my comment about how easy s.k and Manitoba would be able to convince to join Alberta.....

 

I didn't comment because:

 

17 minutes ago, aGENT said:

It's a laughably, blindly ignorant idea.

 

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26 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Not even remotely. You'd have zero leverage with a self serving US, a hostile ex, a mass exodus of workers fleeing and you're ignoring things like your share of national debt never mind the massive costs/inflation, taxes and problems with forming a new country, money etc.

 

It's a laughably, blindly ignorant idea. But carry on...

 

 

And the cost of cleaning up all those derelict oil wells will be completely Alberta's to deal with.

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1 minute ago, aGENT said:

And like now, who's interests do you think they're going to have ahead? Albertastan's? :lol: You think that's going to get BETTER on your own? :lol:

 

 

Wasn't actually referring to health care.

 

 

I didn't comment because:

 

 

Ha it's business everyone has their hands in the pie lol come on , Americans already make money off us , so why not just cut out Canada just one less hand in the pie.....if they ship straight to the states then Canada wouldn't see a dime cause Alberta wouldn't use it's boarders to ship......

lol everything is already in place to help the people thx to Canada so just scratch out Canada and write Alberta  , boom that was easier then I thought lol

 

Maybe your the only ignorant one.....

do the research Alberta pruduces enough to survive and sell and also  also a lot of ranchers in b.c ship their cattle to Alberta to sell and slaughter...

its not like Alberta doesn't have different ways to make money.....lol 

it would be tough at first but it would be just like when the oil crashes and once the money stream starts, it will just like when the oil goes up.

also you can off set your loses with other business.....

 

this is basic business knowledge.....

 

 

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10 minutes ago, RowdyCanuck said:

Depends on who owns the pipeline.....

if the spill is in s.k then it's an Canada problem not a Alberta problem....

I'm talking about this:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/orphan-wells-alberta-aldp-aer-1.5089254

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A new report suggests cleaning up all of the old and unproductive oil and gas wells in Alberta will cost between $40 billion and $70 billion.

The Alberta Liabilities Disclosure Project (ALDP) — a consortium that includes landowners and scientists — came up with the figure using data obtained from the Alberta Energy Regulator (AER).

The figure is much higher than an AER estimate, which pegs the anticipated cleanup cost of all oil and gas infrastructure at $58.65 billion. The AER's number includes pipelines and other facilities, while the ALDP only looked at oil and gas wells.

 

The ALDP released the report in Calgary on Monday morning.

"I've spent the last three years trying to come up with a viable solution to this conundrum," said Regan Boychuk, a researcher with the ALDP.  "The first step is understanding the problem better and calling for transparency (from the AER).""

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16 minutes ago, gurn said:

And the cost of cleaning up all those derelict oil wells will be completely Alberta's to deal with.

Heh, whats a 70 - 100 Billion  hidden cost between friends....   Alberta is more broke than Quebec when all costs are examined.....

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/orphan-wells-alberta-aldp-aer-1.5089254

 

Albertans

 

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1 minute ago, gurn said:

I'm talking about this:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/orphan-wells-alberta-aldp-aer-1.5089254

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A new report suggests cleaning up all of the old and unproductive oil and gas wells in Alberta will cost between $40 billion and $70 billion.

The Alberta Liabilities Disclosure Project (ALDP) — a consortium that includes landowners and scientists — came up with the figure using data obtained from the Alberta Energy Regulator (AER).

The figure is much higher than an AER estimate, which pegs the anticipated cleanup cost of all oil and gas infrastructure at $58.65 billion. The AER's number includes pipelines and other facilities, while the ALDP only looked at oil and gas wells.

 

The ALDP released the report in Calgary on Monday morning.

"I've spent the last three years trying to come up with a viable solution to this conundrum," said Regan Boychuk, a researcher with the ALDP.  "The first step is understanding the problem better and calling for transparency (from the AER).""

OH my bad. 

Even so it's not like Alberta oil can't make that over time.....you just take a % of sales and put it towards clean up...make the oil industry clean it up and once the oil prices go up wouldn't surprise me to see oil companies donate since it's a tax write off......

 

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3 minutes ago, gurn said:

I'm talking about this:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/orphan-wells-alberta-aldp-aer-1.5089254

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A new report suggests cleaning up all of the old and unproductive oil and gas wells in Alberta will cost between $40 billion and $70 billion.

The Alberta Liabilities Disclosure Project (ALDP) — a consortium that includes landowners and scientists — came up with the figure using data obtained from the Alberta Energy Regulator (AER).

The figure is much higher than an AER estimate, which pegs the anticipated cleanup cost of all oil and gas infrastructure at $58.65 billion. The AER's number includes pipelines and other facilities, while the ALDP only looked at oil and gas wells.

 

The ALDP released the report in Calgary on Monday morning.

"I've spent the last three years trying to come up with a viable solution to this conundrum," said Regan Boychuk, a researcher with the ALDP.  "The first step is understanding the problem better and calling for transparency (from the AER).""

Albertans never learn accounting  when they go to school......    

 

"True cost" is the difference between the market price of a commodity and the comprehensive cost of that commodity to society. The term is normally used to draw attention to missing or hidden costs that are not found in the market price, even though it could theoretically apply to hidden benefits as well.

 

Albertans

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1 minute ago, RowdyCanuck said:

OH my bad. 

Even so it's not like Alberta oil can't make that over time.....you just take a % of sales and put it towards clean up...make the oil industry clean it up and once the oil prices go up wouldn't surprise me to see oil companies donate since it's a tax write off......

 

LOL - alberan oil companies are walking away from these liabilities.... NOTHING is being done about it.

 

Albertans  will become more broke than the mexicans workers  picking peppers in the greenhouse near my place.....  At least the mexican workers know how to work hard. 

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