RowdyCanuck Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: Heh, whats a 70 - 100 Billion hidden cost between friends.... Alberta is more broke than Quebec when all costs are examined..... https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/orphan-wells-alberta-aldp-aer-1.5089254 Albertans Unlike Quebec , Alberta can actually make that type of money lol or atleast pay it down over the course of time..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 1 hour ago, RowdyCanuck said: So if Alberta left you don't think Alberta could set all that up on its own? It would be just like shipping oil or anything to the states and have to pay....so they would draw up new trade agreements.... a lot of countries employ people from out of their own country....so that wouldn't really matter... also security from what? It would be pretty save unless Canada decided to take Alberta back lol or if trump wants it lol i agree it's better for Alberta to stay with Canada but if you think Alberta couldn't survive by its own then go do your research..... alberta produces almost everything they need. Also Canada would have to pay Alberta to use the refiners and so on. I worked as a business advisor in Alberta so it's pretty simple to see if you look ,get the numbers and think about the money Alberta would save if it only had to take care of it's self..... also it would cost Alberta to move it's oil by it would be cheaper. Also Alberta has more then oil like I stated. It may not look like Alberta has much cause people focus on the oil but they could survive. They got mills up by Edson and Hinton and dairy farms and chicken barns scattered all over and don't forget grain..... it would also be an easy sell right now to get s.k and Manitoba to join cause they don't trust JT....... I'm not as dumb as I sound lol. I'm running for government so please vote lmfao I will make Alberta great again lmfao ( sarcasm ) Alberta would lose up to 70% of it's landmass including the remaining and largest oil deposits. It would lose rail access, lng and diluent deliveries from bc as well as hydro power access. Do tell, how on Earth they come out ahead again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: LOL - alberan oil companies are walking away from these liabilities.... NOTHING is being done about it. Albertans will become more broke than the mexicans workers picking peppers in the greenhouse near my place..... At least the mexican workers know how to work hard. Lol go spend 12 hours on a rig in the middle of winter and I mean an Alberta winter and there's more drilling up north and its a lot colder..... trying to say people from Alberta isn't hard working is like saying your really the king of Surrey lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, RowdyCanuck said: Unlike Quebec , Alberta can actually make that type of money lol or atleast pay it down over the course of time..... Alberta(ns) can's save squat. Albertans are worse with their money than drunken american sailors docked up a Mardi Gras for the weekend... Albertans should get their money paid each day... in 5 dollar bills so maybe they don't blow it all on payday.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 24 minutes ago, RowdyCanuck said: its not like Alberta doesn't have different ways to make money.....lol it would be tough at first but it would be just like when the oil crashes and once the money stream starts, it will just like when the oil goes up. also you can off set your loses with other business..... this is basic business knowledge..... Then why have they never engaged in these different ways and why did Kenney close off any investment made in to diversification? 50 years on and Alberta has done very little differently as evidenced by the endless reliance on resource markets 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Alberta would lose up to 70% of it's landmass including the remaining and largest oil deposits. It would lose rail access, lng and diluent deliveries from bc as well as hydro power access. Do tell, how on Earth they come out ahead again Albertans can't do math. Can you post as a pie chart... / graphic.... ? OK i will for you... Simple version so Albertans can understand..... - so the green is what Albertans get to keep of their province... The red little bit .... is what we take over.... Thanks for coming. Good luck - you will need it. Edited January 20, 2020 by kingofsurrey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, RowdyCanuck said: OH my bad. Even so it's not like Alberta oil can't make that over time.....you just take a % of sales and put it towards clean up...make the oil industry clean it up and once the oil prices go up wouldn't surprise me to see oil companies donate since it's a tax write off...... The NDP tried. Remember what happened? Kenney nixed it and the people screamed about it chasing business away. How will you, he or anyone make the oil industry clean it up when the ENTIRE market and agreements are set up to allow companies to avoid clean up, or fold a subsidiary to avoid said costs. They pay the shareholders, creditors first. If anything is left over....maybe the government gets some but records show that doesn't happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Warhippy said: Alberta would lose up to 70% of it's landmass including the remaining and largest oil deposits. It would lose rail access, lng and diluent deliveries from bc as well as hydro power access. Do tell, how on Earth they come out ahead again Cause no Alberta just has to pay to ship its oil that's it.....Canada gets nothing else and also like I said a lot of oil companies are owned by Americans so it would easier to make a business deal with trump lol canada already pays to ship its oil there so pretty much the same deal. Rail wouldn't matter if they built a pipeline they wanted to years ago that goes down to the coast and trump is a business man so I would say it would be easier to make a deal then some people think..... hydro....there's already wind power in the hat.....and it's not like Alberta can't figure that out ha and how does it lose rail? Just means Canada gets paid when Alberta ships that way..... if you look at it from a business stand point it's do able..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, RowdyCanuck said: Lol go spend 12 hours on a rig in the middle of winter and I mean an Alberta winter and there's more drilling up north and its a lot colder..... trying to say people from Alberta isn't hard working is like saying your really the king of Surrey lol Many BC companies don't want to hire guys coming back to BC from Alberta... Word is that they don't want to work hard and have inflated values about how much they should be paid.... PS - you probably aren't very rowdy nowdays.... maybe you were 20 years ago though..... Edited January 20, 2020 by kingofsurrey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 1 minute ago, kingofsurrey said: Many BC companies don't want to hire guys coming back to BC from Alberta... Word is that they don't want to work hard and have inflated values about how much they should be paid.... PS - you probably aren't very rowdy nowdays.... maybe you were 20 years ago though..... No I agree they get attitudes and I rather not work with some riggers because of that but I agree on that. Those attitudes was the reason I was hired to be a business advisor cause I could deal with them....don't get me wrong I've wanted to beat the hell out of a lot of people that own oil companies, some of the most stuck up people I've met.....egotistical also. Fyi I'm only 26 lol I would be 6 lmfao 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 12 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Then why have they never engaged in these different ways and why did Kenney close off any investment made in to diversification? 50 years on and Alberta has done very little differently as evidenced by the endless reliance on resource markets Okay that's unfair cause you know how many cattle you would have to raise to even come close to how much an oil company makes.... on average most ranchers get a grand a calf sometimes more or less.... Same goes with grain, you would need more land to even come close... albers is famous for its beef too you know lol name another industry that brings in as much as oil?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, RowdyCanuck said: No I agree they get attitudes and I rather not work with some riggers because of that but I agree on that. Those attitudes was the reason I was hired to be a business advisor cause I could deal with them....don't get me wrong I've wanted to beat the hell out of a lot of people that own oil companies, some of the most stuck up people I've met.....egotistical also. Fyi I'm only 26 lol I would be 6 lmfao OK - if your 26 you can still be a bit rowdy.... Hah, oil patch wages can spoil a guy....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, RowdyCanuck said: name another industry that brings in as much as oil?... illegal drugs...... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 14 minutes ago, RowdyCanuck said: Cause no Alberta just has to pay to ship its oil that's it.....Canada gets nothing else and also like I said a lot of oil companies are owned by Americans so it would easier to make a business deal with trump lol canada already pays to ship its oil there so pretty much the same deal. Rail wouldn't matter if they built a pipeline they wanted to years ago that goes down to the coast and trump is a business man so I would say it would be easier to make a deal then some people think..... hydro....there's already wind power in the hat.....and it's not like Alberta can't figure that out ha and how does it lose rail? Just means Canada gets paid when Alberta ships that way..... if you look at it from a business stand point it's do able..... Again leaving behind 70% of its landmass including vital oil deposits. It takes literal years if not decades to hammer out energy agreements. Any pipelines promised would not be built for years and years. Existing trade agreements including the new USMCA detail exactly what foreign nations need to address before entering markets currently occupied by the NAFTA nations. Trump is a businessman...ok addressing that, one he's American so anything he does will be at his benefit, two he's a terrible businessman so any deal wouldn't be worth the paper the ink is on and three he renews constantly so one day it's a go the next it isn't. but most importantly, separation will take years or more and he won't be in power. The next president, senate majority might not be so oil friendly. From a business standpoint your proposals are nothing more than wishful thinking. 2 minutes ago, RowdyCanuck said: Okay that's unfair cause you know how many cattle you would have to raise to even come close to how much an oil company makes.... on average most ranchers get a grand a calf sometimes more or less.... Same goes with grain, you would need more land to even come close... albers is famous for its beef too you know lol name another industry that brings in as much as oil?... It's not unfair. 50+ years and 6 major energy downturns yet there was little diversification. Alberta came out of an energy based recession without oil for the first time in 5 decades. Much of that work was and is being undone by Jason Kenney. The movement back to oil dependence is increasing. From a business standpoint, it's almost suicide 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) OK lets keep this simple for Albertans... You get to keep 3 cookies ..... Canada takes 7 cookies.... Can you understand the concept now you guys losing 70% of your province to Canada..... Edited January 20, 2020 by kingofsurrey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: OK - if your 26 you can still be a bit rowdy.... Hah, oil patch wages can spoil a guy....... Yea but my body is beat to hell lol so not that rowdy unless acouple drinks lol oh I agree I remember when I first moved to Alberta, I went to work as a floor hand and was making 27 bucks an hour working on a service rig.....that blew my mind lol don't get me wrong I spent one winter working and then when to school for a bit so not all riggers are ass's lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 38 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Again leaving behind 70% of its landmass including vital oil deposits. It takes literal years if not decades to hammer out energy agreements. Any pipelines promised would not be built for years and years. Existing trade agreements including the new USMCA detail exactly what foreign nations need to address before entering markets currently occupied by the NAFTA nations. Trump is a businessman...ok addressing that, one he's American so anything he does will be at his benefit, two he's a terrible businessman so any deal wouldn't be worth the paper the ink is on and three he renews constantly so one day it's a go the next it isn't. but most importantly, separation will take years or more and he won't be in power. The next president, senate majority might not be so oil friendly. From a business standpoint your proposals are nothing more than wishful thinking. It's not unfair. 50+ years and 6 major energy downturns yet there was little diversification. Alberta came out of an energy based recession without oil for the first time in 5 decades. Much of that work was and is being undone by Jason Kenney. The movement back to oil dependence is increasing. From a business standpoint, it's almost suicide Hippie I'm not arguing that it would be hard and honestly if it was me only way I would separate is if I had s.k and Manitoba on the same page..... also all business is wishful thinking until you start the business to see what happens all you can do is prepare for the worst. and not 100% business sucide for the reasons I've stated but it would be an up hill battle and have to think the government would put oil first unlike JT , like I said its do able and if Alberta gets Manitoba and s.k to join them and it would lessen the blow..... like I stated in another post if Alberta , s.k and Manitoba join Canada is screwed..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 42 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: OK lets keep this simple for Albertans... You get to keep 3 cookies ..... Canada takes 7 cookies.... Can you understand the concept now you guys losing 70% of your province to Canada..... you think riggers can count lmfao they can only count to ten and if they have to count to 20 better plug your nose cause those feet will be smelly thx to those heavy work boots lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Warhippy said: The NDP tried. Remember what happened? Kenney nixed it and the people screamed about it chasing business away. How will you, he or anyone make the oil industry clean it up when the ENTIRE market and agreements are set up to allow companies to avoid clean up, or fold a subsidiary to avoid said costs. They pay the shareholders, creditors first. If anything is left over....maybe the government gets some but records show that doesn't happen Why you think I said donate......it helps both parties.... you going to tell me oil companies don't donate? Edited January 20, 2020 by RowdyCanuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, RowdyCanuck said: Why you think I said donate......it helps both parties.... you going to tell me oil companies don't donate? They don't need to donate much anymore, they outright own the legislature right now in Alberta 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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