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2 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said:

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This.  Probably the worst managed team in the entire NHL.  And it’s been going on for decades so it’s not just these guys.  Matthews and Mariner are overpaid, Tavares was a rich contract but as a UFA he had all the leverage.  Nylander’s contract is a joke.  Plus on top of all of that they literally have only one defenseman signed past this year.  They will need to sign and/or trade for an entire defensive group in the summer.  What a joke.  Just brutal.  

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3 hours ago, coastal.view said:

 

rich owners should make little difference now given the salary cap

 

Good rich owners can invest more into scouting and player development, plus having a good farm organization.

I don't know if Toronto does well by their minor league organizations or not, I'm just mentioning that rich owners can help, if they know what their doing.

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5 minutes ago, gurn said:

Good rich owners can invest more into scouting and player development, plus having a good farm organization.

I don't know if Toronto does well by their minor league organizations or not, I'm just mentioning that rich owners can help, if they know what their doing.

All true.  Plus I'm not seeing a ton of guys going to a team like Ottawa where there's a good chance their paycheck will bounce because the owner's a bum.

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24 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

Management buckles. It's not just their GM, though he's a big part of it. He's got people above him and things still happen.

maybe the assessment of the toronto situation needs a different perspective

 

they had a shanaplan in place

it did not account for signing the top ufa in an off season

tavares fell into their lap

they could not say no to a hometown talent who wanted to return to play for them

but he cost them a bundle in salary and cap space

which distorted badly their rebuild (and the shanaplan)

 

top brass made silly naive statements

such as... we will retain all our top talent.. and likely privately made those statements as serious commitments to key players

and then those statements were leveraged against them

when that went very badly and they got a lot of bad press with nylander

the organization blinked and caved

they chose to simply do what it took to re-sign their remaining 2 rfas

hoping it would change the salary market in the nhl

hence justifying their approach

that did not happen (no one thought the leafs approach to contract values was wise) and they seem now to be a ship largely steered by incompetents?

 

or maybe along the way with and/or after the nylander signing

they were cynical in deciding to accept that their distorted salary structure

would not result in a championship team

and as they saw with the raptors with kwahi, if you get the key superstar(s), you can sell out every ticket

the raptors did not expect to win the championship with that acquisition

but they saw what it did to market share, television viewership, and local fan support

which a championship win caused to really crest

 

maybe the leafs are simply signing their top talent to sell tickets and capture larger market share

to partly satisfy a fan base that can be rabid about having some of the best nhl players

even if that does not result in the best team

maybe they no longer care about having the best team

and have largely abandoned the original shanaplan

i hear very little about the shanaplan since tavares was signed

 

the leafs have a curious history about their rebuilds

they never ever stick to them

they always try to accelerate them or find an easy out

there is just too much money to be made in that hockey market

and they simply cannot wait the necessary time to complete a proper rebuild

but need to cash in sooner

and are prepared to con their fan base in the process

 

maybe we will see leaf jerseys thrown on the ice sooner this go round

once the fan base there wakes up and sees what has really happened?

 

there is something wrong with the culture there

they believe they can buy the best management

buy the best coach

that their financial strength means they can buy what they need

and players have adopted that approach in relation to their own compensation

as that is the top priority in that organization

more important then dedication, integrity, loyalty, team camaraderie - the non monetary things that seems to drive real fans of team sport

 

i dunno

maybe i'm just spit balling too much in this post

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Toronto's star players probably feel that they deserve a big piece of the pie (profit) as Toronto does generate a lot more profit/revenue compared to most other NHL cities. 

 

For example, let's say an all-star caliber player on any team contributes about 2% to the total revenue generated. If Toronto generates say 1 billion dollars of revenue then, this star player deserves 20 million dollars. But of course, with the cap and parity and all, he won't be able to take 20 million so he settles for maximum that he can get (the upper ceiling is set at 12.5 by McDavid). On the other hand, Vancouver may generate say half of what Toronto generates, so 500 million dollars. A star player of the same caliber should get 10 million dollars (2% of 500 million dollars). So that's kind of in line with what one would consider a discount. And of course, there are players like McDavid who is on a level on his own and probably contributes more than 2% to the total revenue so in his case, he set his own salary, which in my opinion, was a discount for what he brings to that team.

 

Anyhow, that's probably not the only reason why but probably one of the reasons why Toronto players don't want to take a pay cut. in their opinion, they are already taking a pay cut in terms of proportion.

 

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My thoughts.... is if the players trying to screw the team.... put the team first... 

 

Its simple...  trade them to the worst team in the league.....

If they want to try for a cup... or love toronto...  the will not be happy... how does New jersey sound .. bye bye.

Next guy wont hardball....

 

 

If they did this with nylander..... Marner wouldnt have hard balled

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They could still be successful with Tavares, Mathews and Marner. There is nothing that makes sense about the Nylander contract. You can buy 2 big defensive players at 3million apiece and the team would be way better off. This is a soft team that doesn’t know how to play defence.

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1 hour ago, Toyotasfan said:

They could still be successful with Tavares, Mathews and Marner. There is nothing that makes sense about the Nylander contract. You can buy 2 big defensive players at 3million apiece and the team would be way better off. This is a soft team that doesn’t know how to play defence.

define successful

 

and hockey is a team game

that requires reasonable team depth

not sure how a team can be properly structured

when half the payroll is put into the pockets of 4 players

 

since a team roster is 23 players

the other 19 players have to be fit into the other half of the cap

it likely means the others are less then average quality

cuz you generally get what you pay for

 

yet those top 4 eat up what? 20 minutes or so per game

there are 5 non goalie playing positions on a hockey team

a game is 60 minutes x 5 = 300 minutes of playing time to be filled

4 players get half the cap to cover about 80 minutes of those 300

not sure how that allocation of pay to playing time makes any sense

when 2/3 of the playing time is filled by likely less then average talent

 

it's a strange approach to team building by the leafs

 

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10 hours ago, coastal.view said:

what the past 1 year has clearly shown to nhl fans

is that top notch nhl talent require a premium in contract value to play for the leafs

this problem, which appears to be on par with what many players require to play for the oilers and jets, is puzzling

the centre of the universe is not able to attract quality talent at fair market value contracts

 

is the city that awful to live in?

are the fan there that intolerable?

is mike babcock that demanding of a coach?

is the past half century performance of that franchise that big of a stain?

 

so many quality nhl players are born and raised in ontario

and one would think they'd be happy to return "home" to play for the leafs

but this really does not appear to be the case

 

despite my comment above, even mcdavid reportedly refused a higher value contract from the oilers

and insisted on a team friendly aav of 12.5 million

we hear none of this coming from the better leaf players

 

looking for answers here

our local team is able to sign good players at team sensible value contracts

leafs are not

please explain

 

It all started with the contract with Wee Willie.

 

The Laffs should have just unloaded him to another team for some defensive prospects.

 

With the money saved they could sign Marner and Mathews and still have money to keep some of the defense they lost to free agency.

 

Dubas really must have flunked out math in primary school... it really shouldn't have been tough to do the calculations... but somehow he forgot to add $7 mill to the total.

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Toronto fans are consistently planning paradE routes, and I am convinced the owners don’t give 2 f’s at all.   They raise ticket prices every year  and the fans are so relentless they will sell out every single game!
 

No real urgency on the owners for damage repair.  They sign a couple big names, see a couple of players dominate the stats and the fans salivate over it.  
 

win win.  The leafs will never win a cup in our life times.  Not under the current management/owners.   
 

Way off topic, basically to answer OP, leafs suck!!!


thank you 

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46 minutes ago, Tortorella's Rant said:

Cuz they're a big fat market that can afford any player, any price, and they obviously pay up.. 

but there is still a thing called the salary cap

that limits what a team can pay to its player roster

that evens the field between the teams

paying a premium to some players means the team overall is hampered

in building solid depth throughout their roster

compared to most other teams

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