NHL players vote 3 worst road cities

[GB5]

I wouldn't necessarily read into this in the way most posts have indicated.

 

The majority of NHL players come from either cities with harsh winter climates or small towns. My guess is that a lot of players actually like Winnipeg and Edmonton but when it comes to visiting a road city it is more entertaining to go to a place different that what you have grown up with all of you life.

 

I live in a part of BC that gets winter and I don't want to go to Winnipeg for a winter vacation, I'd rather go somewhere different like Florida, Hawaii or Mexico. I think the same sentiment applies when NHL players say which road cities they don't like to visit.

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1 hour ago, canucklehead44 said:

I did haha

 

 

cool. Now pretend like you have choice in who you see. 

[Alflives]

4 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

cool. Now pretend like you have choice in who you see. 

Jimmy in a lot of Canada the choice is a Nurse Practitioner.  In the US people get to see doctors.  It's really only in the major urban centers Canadians have any choice.  

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1 minute ago, Alflives said:

Jimmy in a lot of Canada the choice is a Nurse Practitioner.  In the US people get to see doctors.  It's really only in the major urban centers Canadians have any choice.  

its a terrible system Alf, unless you're rich. People have to worry about if they be denied coverage, can't go outside their plans for docs, and pay far too much for 20th in the world service. 

[canucklehead44]

28 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Jimmy in a lot of Canada the choice is a Nurse Practitioner.  In the US people get to see doctors.  It's really only in the major urban centers Canadians have any choice.  

My step sister was in her early 30s and pregnant with her first child. They found cancer in her bone marrow. Stage 4 - refused treatment and left to die in the Canadian medical system.

 

paid out of pocket for medical care in the US. 12 years later she is happy, healthy, alive and cancer free. 

[Canuck Surfer]

2 hours ago, D-Money said:

That's more of a "Vancouver" problem than a "Canada" one. That's one of the reasons why many of us left Vancouver, and likely part of the reason why Calgary was rated above Vancouver and Toronto on the livability scale I quoted earlier.

 

Vancouver has been rated the top city in the world at times. And I'm not surprised Calgary has rated as well.

 

They factor things like public facilities, education, recreation, health care, income & job opportunities, transport.

 

It is a different world for players, who have the resources for private education, private hospitals which are world class in the US. It is not the same for working class families in the US. At all! In some areas, Detroit, Tacoma, Washington DC, rural Mississippi, Indianapolis these things are abysmal. But that is not what is reflected in this poll. There are largely better opportunities in the US for wealthy people.   

[D-Money]

5 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said:

Vancouver has been rated the top city in the world at times. And I'm not surprised Calgary has rated as well.

 

They factor things like public facilities, education, recreation, health care, income & job opportunities, transport.

 

It is a different world for players, who have the resources for private education, private hospitals which are world class in the US. It is not the same for working class families in the US. At all! In some areas, Detroit, Tacoma, Washington DC, rural Mississippi, Indianapolis these things are abysmal. But that is not what is reflected in this poll. There are largely better opportunities in the US for wealthy people.   

That's just it. I've been to New York a couple of times, and loved it. But unless you are making at least $250K/year, it would be a tough place to live in. And if you're a young multi-millionaire, it would be simply awesome. That said, now that I'm older and have kids, I wouldn't choose to live in New York now, even if I could afford it.

 

But this is all about going for a quick visit. Of course you'd rather spend a couple days in Miami, Vegas, LA, or New York, rather than Winnipeg, Edmonton, or Buffalo...duh.

[Alflives]

19 minutes ago, canucklehead44 said:

My step sister was in her early 30s and pregnant with her first child. They found cancer in her bone marrow. Stage 4 - refused treatment and left to die in the Canadian medical system.

 

paid out of pocket for medical care in the US. 12 years later she is happy, healthy, alive and cancer free. 

Isn't it kind of a fact that private business (that are in competition with one another) provide better service than a government controlled monopoly?  Just look at ICBC for an example of a government monopoly over a service that would be far better if private.  The cream will rise to the top in private industry.  How long do patients in our system have to wait for special tests, or to see specialists?  

[Canuck Surfer]

4 minutes ago, D-Money said:

That's just it. I've been to New York a couple of times, and loved it. But unless you are making at least $250K/year, it would be a tough place to live in. And if you're a young multi-millionaire, it would be simply awesome. That said, now that I'm older and have kids, I wouldn't choose to live in New York now, even if I could afford it.

 

But this is all about going for a quick visit. Of course you'd rather spend a couple days in Miami, Vegas, LA, or New York, rather than Winnipeg, Edmonton, or Buffalo...duh.

Funny thing?

 

Award wage in the US is sh!t. And in cities like NY it is said that on any day there are a million illegal immigrants for 1/2 mimimum wage, or less. In brothels, sweat shops, factories, waiting tables for nothing more than tips.

 

But in cities with sometimes 40 million people. Cheap wages & a large market mean that you can earn $250K in all kinds of businesses & jobs. That would pay half that in even Toronto or Vancouver.  There used to be a kooky reality tv show about some dumb white kid with a gold tooth & expensive suit making a small fortune selling luxury cars in Las Vegas. I saw a doco loosely based on the Jeffersons, which underlined that more millionaires were created running local dry cleaning businesses than any other at one time? The sheer size of the markets, the money being thrown around by the large industrial, and money market economies? Its what fuels the land of opportunity.

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24 minutes ago, canucklehead44 said:

My step sister was in her early 30s and pregnant with her first child. They found cancer in her bone marrow. Stage 4 - refused treatment and left to die in the Canadian medical system.

 

paid out of pocket for medical care in the US. 12 years later she is happy, healthy, alive and cancer free. 

Roswell Park Cancer Center here in Buffalo is a highly rated cancer hospital in the US and every time I go there for checkups I see cars with Ontario license plates and it always confused me as to why since I figured Canada would have decent and free cancer care of it's own and Toronto is less than 2 hours away.

 

If Canada has a habit of refusing to save cancer patient's lives, that would explain the Canadian vehicles at Roswell.

 

How does the Canadian health care system get away with not treating sick people?

[SabreFan1]

16 minutes ago, D-Money said:

But this is all about going for a quick visit. Of course you'd rather spend a couple days in Miami, Vegas, LA, or New York, rather than Winnipeg, Edmonton, or Buffalo...duh.

Can't deny that.  Where do people from the above mentioned cities go to vacation?  Miami and Vegas are tourist destinations for a reason, and if you're a young single famous guy, LA and New York are your oysters ready to be shucked.

[Alflives]

3 minutes ago, SabreFan1 said:

Roswell Park Cancer Center here in Buffalo is a highly rated cancer hospital in the US and every time I go there for checkups I see cars with Ontario license plates and it always confused me as to why since I figured Canada would have decent and free cancer care of it's own and Toronto is less than 2 hours away.

 

If Canada has a habit of refusing to save cancer patient's lives, that would explain the Canadian vehicles at Roswell.

 

How does the Canadian health care system get away with not treating sick people?

Can you say Monopoly?  The Canadian people have no other choice.  We have a two tiered system.  Those who can't afford to go south and get top quality medical die here.  Those who can afford to go south are treated far better.  It's only government propaganda that makes people believe things are good here.  Ask the elderly, and those who are sickly if our system is good for them?  It's not.  It's good for those who don't pay anything, and leech off the system.  It's good for those people, but not for those who actually paid into the system.  Our doctors, nurses, and healthcare people on the front lines are great!  But the system is broken.  Any statistics stating otherwise are merely government propaganda.  Remember the bloated bureaucracy that produces the statistics are reliant for their jobs on those statistics being positive.  It's a complete sham, and needs to be privatized, so the deadwood (which is an ocean full) can be burned off.  

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6 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Can you say Monopoly?  The Canadian people have no other choice.  We have a two tiered system.  Those who can't afford to go south and get top quality medical die here.  Those who can afford to go south are treated far better.  It's only government propaganda that makes people believe things are good here.  Ask the elderly, and those who are sickly if our system is good for them?  It's not.  It's good for those who don't pay anything, and leech off the system.  It's good for those people, but not for those who actually paid into the system.  Our doctors, nurses, and healthcare people on the front lines are great!  But the system is broken.  Any statistics stating otherwise are merely government propaganda.  Remember the bloated bureaucracy that produces the statistics are reliant for their jobs on those statistics being positive.  It's a complete sham, and needs to be privatized, so the deadwood (which is an ocean full) can be burned off.  

 

I've always been under the assumption that the vast majority of Canadians prefer socialized health care.  Is it mostly the young that prefer it?

Edited November 6, 2019 by SabreFan1

[D-Money]

5 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Can you say Monopoly?  The Canadian people have no other choice.  We have a two tiered system.  Those who can't afford to go south and get top quality medical die here. 

Um...seriously?

 

Canadian people have more choice than Americans. We can do either. If we want and can afford the absolute best that money can buy, we can go get it across the border. If we can't afford to pay, at least we do get health care. Those in the US who can't afford it - in some cases, they are people who have health coverage and fell into some loophole - are simply screwed. (I quoted a study earlier that 2/3 of US bankruptcies have medical costs as one of the key factors.)

[Canuck Surfer]

32 minutes ago, canucklehead44 said:

My step sister was in her early 30s and pregnant with her first child. They found cancer in her bone marrow. Stage 4 - refused treatment and left to die in the Canadian medical system.

 

paid out of pocket for medical care in the US. 12 years later she is happy, healthy, alive and cancer free. 

Nice that she had the resources. And I am happy she made it, honestly!  It is a horrible story. I don't doubt it happened. I have a friend here in Australia where I now live. Went to Russia for bone marrow treatment which saved her life. It costs hundreds of thousands, not low hundreds either, in our system. She paid a fraction and sold her house to fund it regardless. 

 

My observation is the sheer cost of such treatments? Which have a lower % chance of success sometimes are simply not offered due to the overwhelming cost pressure it puts on everyday needs of a public system. An alcoholic with a bad liver won't get treated in Canada either. But transplants are available in other parts of the world, including the US, if you have money.

 

That's not the reality for most US citizens. Where stories of being bashed in gang violence? And being refused treatment to set & cast a broken arm happen. Unless you have cash! It is a more common story.

 

Everyday health care remaina a luxury we have as a whole as Canadians, compared to many parts of the world. 

[D-Money]

3 minutes ago, SabreFan1 said:

I've always been under the assumption that the vast majority of Canadians prefer socialized health care.  Is it mostly the young that prefer it?

The middle and lower classes are generally very happy with our medical system. We had a series called "The Greatest Canadian", voted on by the public, and Tommy Douglas ended up winning it (he was the first to introduce Medicare in Saskatchewan in the 60's).

 

Of course, like any system, there are weaknesses in it, the main one being that the wealthy do not get the level of care that they do in the US. The second is probably the wealthy investors into health care companies do not get the same profits. So yeah, the wealthy generally don't like it... ...but they can suck it.

 

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1 minute ago, Canuck Surfer said:

That's not the reality for most US citizens. Where stories of being bashed in gang violence? And being refused treatment to set & cast a broken arm happen. Unless you have cash! It is a more common story.

 

If a hospital in the US refuses to treat any patient who needs it, they open themselves up to a serious lawsuit.  The difference being, if you have insurance, you are more likely to be admitted into the hospital in some places rather than being "treated and streeted".

 

In your example, a gang-banger can be refused care if the staff has reason to believe that he/she remaining at the hospital will put people's safety in jeopardy.  Then the police are called and decisions are made from there.

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3 minutes ago, D-Money said:

The middle and lower classes are generally very happy with our medical system. We had a series called "The Greatest Canadian", voted on by the public, and Tommy Douglas ended up winning it (he was the first to introduce Medicare in Saskatchewan in the 60's).

 

Of course, like any system, there are weaknesses in it, the main one being that the wealthy do not get the level of care that they do in the US. The second is probably the wealthy investors into health care companies do not get the same profits. So yeah, the wealthy generally don't like it... ...but they can suck it.

 

What about the refusal to treat some advanced cancer patients?  It takes resources, but some advanced cancers aren't the same death sentence that they once were.  I can understand not wanting to blow hundreds of thousands of dollars on a stage 4 pancreatic cancer patient with a 3% chance to live, but as with @canucklehead44 example, something like bone marrow cancer is very treatable.

[Canuck Surfer]

2 minutes ago, SabreFan1 said:

 

If a hospital in the US refuses to treat any patient who needs it, they open themselves up to a serious lawsuit.  The difference being, if you have insurance, you are more likely to be admitted into the hospital in some places rather than being "treated and streeted".

 

In your example, a gang-banger can be refused care if the staff has reason to believe that he/she remaining at the hospital will put people's safety in jeopardy.  Then the police are called and decisions are made from there.

Public hospitals in the US, health care in general does not have anywhere near the same reach & funding as Canadian. Universal health care has been an in demand topic people like Obama tried to provide.

 

 

[D-Money]

1 minute ago, SabreFan1 said:

What about the refusal to treat some advanced cancer patients?  It takes resources, but some advanced cancers aren't the same death sentence that they once were.  I can understand not wanting to blow hundreds of thousands of dollars on a stage 4 pancreatic cancer patient with a 3% chance to live, but as with @canucklehead44 example, something like bone marrow cancer is very treatable.

I obviously have no knowledge of the circumstances of @canucklehead44's sister. But if I had to guess, it may have involved a newer drug or form of treatment, that  had not been approved for Canada's system, and/or there was not a Canadian doctor available who could perform it.

 

A weakness in the system is, since the opportunities to make money are greater in the US, many of the top, cutting-edge doctors are there - and it's hard to blame them.

 

I have an aunt who had major back problems, and decades ago tried everything in the Canadian medical system to get relief. She ended up spending tens of thousands of dollars to see a US specialist in Florida, who had new techniques and treatment not available in Canada - and she ended up getting quite a bit of relief. To her, it was money well spent. But if she was in the US, unless she had a private health care plan that covered this new treatment, she would have been out that money anyway. So I don't see how it's that much of a detriment to Canadians, who at least have the opportunity to receive decent care without losing their shirt.