Popular Post J.I.A.H.N Posted November 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 18, 2019 So, right off the get go, I am not suggesting I have the answer in any way. I am wondering, If I have my math right, and/or I am missing the answer, in some way...…... Today, the Canucks have approx. $30,000 in unspent cap. Roussel, who is on LTIR, gets paid $3,000,000 annually. (and not part of the cap at this point) Now, Roussel will have missed 27 games of the season up to the end of November (approx. .334 of the season = $1,000,000) and 40 games, if he did not officially come back onto the pay roll until the end of December (approx. .488 of the season = 1,463,414) So my questions are...………... #1. Does the missing games and corresponding cap (as above) basically get removed from the $3,000,000 cap hit? #2. Does his conditioning stint in Utica (if he goes) count against the cap? If so...………. #3. How does Benning clear enough cap to become cap compliant? If Benning is allowed to deduct the cap that from the missing games, then he only has to clear somewhere between 1.5 to 2 million in cap, so that would be easy by sending Baertschi and/or Schaller or Leivo (Waivers???) back and/or one of Graovac or McEwen...….but I am not sure, if that is the way they do it? I can not for the life of me, imagine that they would be sending Gaudette back???? Would they? Any answers and thoughts are welcome...……...not panicking, just curious, and not really sure of the answer 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 I appreciate the effort in your post Jan, but I am sure the Canucks have cap crunch geeks who are way ahead of this. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 any big decisions depend on Sutter, if he gets put on LTIR for a couple of weeks then there's no issue until he's back. Same with Ferland. I think some retroavtive LTIR moves are possible to make space for Rous. But assuming they are healthy, yeah at that point someone(s) have to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rocket Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Canucks cap hit including Roussell is 83.5 Million. When Roussell comes back, they will need to shed ~2 million. Sending down graovac and macewan (assuming beagle also gets healthy) shaves off 1.5 million. this means they will be 500k over the cap. Putting Ferland on LTIR retroactively will allow them to exceed the limit. When ferland is healthy, you HAVE to waive another play, which will save AT LEAST 700 k more up to a max of 1.075 m. tldr: they don’t need to do anything. Roster limits and LTIR will allow them to be fine 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Blight Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 You cannot bank savings for a player on LTIR. You want to familiarize yourself with the attached. What is LTIR? When a player has an injury of which they are expected to miss a minimum of 10 NHL games and 24 days in the NHL season, the team can place them on long term injured reserve (LTIR). LTIR can be used to exceed the salary cap. LTIR is a very complicated aspect of the NHL operations and the vast majority of details are not specified in the CBA. When a player is placed on LTIR, their cap hit remains on the teams cap payroll and it continues to count as it always did. It also does not provide the club with additional cap-space savings that can be banked for future use while the team operates above the salary cap. Instead, LTIR provides relief if the club's averaged club salary, or payroll, begins to exceed the upper limit. The amount of relief that the club receives is calculated on the day the player is placed on LTIR. There are three equations that are used to determine the LTIR relief, the first, the basic equation, can be used during the season and during the off-season. The second, the training-camp equation, can be used on the final day of the off-season in preparation for the first day of the season. The third formula is used when the team already has a player on LTIR. When a player is deemed fit to play, the team must activate them. https://www.capfriendly.com/ltir-faq 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 9 minutes ago, The_Rocket said: Canucks cap hit including Roussell is 83.5 Million. When Roussell comes back, they will need to shed ~2 million. Sending down graovac and macewan (assuming beagle also gets healthy) shaves off 1.5 million. this means they will be 500k over the cap. Putting Ferland on LTIR retroactively will allow them to exceed the limit. When ferland is healthy, you HAVE to waive another play, which will save AT LEAST 700 k more up to a max of 1.075 m. tldr: they don’t need to do anything. Roster limits and LTIR will allow them to be fine thats true but there's more roster players than spots once everyone is healthy, so do you keep Motte or Loui? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrockBoester Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 I'm good at math but I don't like doing it so I'm not going to be able to assist here I'm sure Jimbo will jettison some dead weight to make room for Big Rous In other news, Cory Schneider is on waivers.. we should probably make a bit of space to pick him up too.. then we REALLY won the Horvat trade WOOOOOOOO 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: thats true but there's more roster players than spots once everyone is healthy, so do you keep Motte or Loui? I think we all know the answer to that one. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckylager Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 How much does waiving Eriksson help? Seems bound to happen at this point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said: I think we all know the answer to that one. I know I was being cheeky. 2 minutes ago, luckylager said: How much does waiving Eriksson help? Seems bound to happen at this point 1.025 mil in cap space Lucky. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borvat Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 (edited) EDIT: Potential Performance Bonuses: Pettersson - $2.85 Million Hughes - $850,000 Gaudette: $850,000 Edited November 18, 2019 by Borvat 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 hey thats neat @Borvat - how did you do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 42 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: So, right off the get go, I am not suggesting I have the answer in any way. I am wondering, If I have my math right, and/or I am missing the answer, in some way...…... Today, the Canucks have approx. $30,000 in unspent cap. Roussel, who is on LTIR, gets paid $3,000,000 annually. (and not part of the cap at this point) Now, Roussel will have missed 27 games of the season up to the end of November (approx. .334 of the season = $1,000,000) and 40 games, if he did not officially come back onto the pay roll until the end of December (approx. .488 of the season = 1,463,414) So my questions are...………... #1. Does the missing games and corresponding cap (as above) basically get removed from the $3,000,000 cap hit? #2. Does his conditioning stint in Utica (if he goes) count against the cap? If so...………. #3. How does Benning clear enough cap to become cap compliant? If Benning is allowed to deduct the cap that from the missing games, then he only has to clear somewhere between 1.5 to 2 million in cap, so that would be easy by sending Baertschi and/or Schaller or Leivo (Waivers???) back and/or one of Graovac or McEwen...….but I am not sure, if that is the way they do it? I can not for the life of me, imagine that they would be sending Gaudette back???? Would they? Any answers and thoughts are welcome...……...not panicking, just curious, and not really sure of the answer When Roussel comes back, we stuff Loui into one of the lockers and pretend he doesn't exist until someone else gets injured and we have to take him out, dust him off and let him play again Seriously though, There's every chance that we will have other offsetting injuries when Roussel is healthy to come back, and if we don't we will send him to Utica for a couple of weeks conditioning stint, which will give us time to figure it out. For all we know, Ferland could still be out, making it a moot point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonoman Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 16 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: thats true but there's more roster players than spots once everyone is healthy, so do you keep Motte or Loui? Easy, waive LE. Limited cap savings, around 1 million I think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borvat Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: hey thats neat @Borvat - how did you do that? Armchair GM - Roster Simulator It doesn't account for potential bonuses though. Edited November 18, 2019 by Borvat 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Borvat said: Armchair GM - Roster Simulator It doesn't account for potential bonuses though. nice, thanks. But now I'll get even less work done. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, Borvat said: Armchair GM - Roster Simulator It doesn't account for potential bonuses though. Yeah I think the deferred (from a cap POV) bonuses will be the elephant in the room at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bree2 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 11 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said: When Roussel comes back, we stuff Loui into one of the lockers and pretend he doesn't exist until someone else gets injured and we have to take him out, dust him off and let him play again Seriously though, There's every chance that we will have other offsetting injuries when Roussel is healthy to come back, and if we don't we will send him to Utica for a couple of weeks conditioning stint, which will give us time to figure it out. For all we know, Ferland could still be out, making it a moot point. someone on here said Ferland was on the ice skating with the team 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borvat Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Yeah I think the deferred (from a cap POV) bonuses will be the elephant in the room at some point. Depends if they make them. The luongo/Eriksson effect are crippling $9 Million. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borvat Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 24 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said: I think we all know the answer to that one. We do but do they? Time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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