No Time To Panic

[canuckspride]

I really want the team to at least make the playoffs this year. Get that taste of the big show. Even if we drop 4 straight in the first round. They'll come back hungrier. Maybe Brown and Green can ask the other playoff teams coaches for some advice.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Nuxfanabroad]

Would be just fine with 6 pts on this 6-gamer. So much lineup turnover lately.

[Nuxfanabroad]

Darn injuries keep piling up, we might have to remember the quality of the 2020 Draft class.

[Nuxfanabroad]

On 11/20/2019 at 4:52 PM, Nuxfanabroad said:

Before folks start looking thoughtfully at bridges & ledges, thought I'd throw this out there. A bit of duality, might be the ticket. Either 1, they turn it 'round, or 2, they're not ready yet.

 

I still contend that either way, we'll be fine. I still love the character youth we've acquired, & fully back our beloved 'Nuckers.

 

1-turn it round to me simply implies they make the PO's. Thus the trade commitment with Tbay is completed. That's all fine, & today might sit around 40, 50%..who knows?

Prob wouldn't go far yet, anyhow..but the exp would be great for our youth. Both making it in, & playing in mid, late April/perhaps early May? Fine & dandy

 

2-not ready yet There are a number of reasons I'm fully embracing this possibility too. I'll list them here, for simplicity's sake

 

- The two Lou/Lu's have botched the cap. If we slide back(next 60 games), contracts should be simple for the next two yrs. Presumably EP & QH won't be able to demand astronomical deals. We'd prob move on from Schall, Jacob, Tan-man..or re-sign them reasonably. It'll encourage the team to keep inserting exciting ELC youth, every Fall.

 

- We're able to be more aggressive from late Dec-TDL in letting older assets go. It's a great time to collect more picks, or cheaper players/prospects for team & farm. There's a nice period here, to start really shaping/molding the future roster, as an ED looms about 15, 16 mos later. Be proactive & get out ahead of it all.

 

- The 2020 draft is apparently loaded. There's a nice final(hopefully) high pick to add in with our brilliant young core. No Screaming team positional/size-deficiency now, so JB can just sit back & choose whoever he feels is the brightest young talent available.

 

                                                                                                             ***So the 2021 pick to Tbay?***

 

Haters will try to turn this into 14 mos of ranting Hell. I'll state now, they can all go there themselves. Irrespective of whatever selection slot they wind up with, we made this call(I'm glad we did)..from my own pov, a fan should fully accept the choice. For these two yrs & going fwd, Miller will likely be a valuable vet contributor(signed reasonably), helping our youth excel on & off the ice.

 

In the end my friends I'm saying don't get too wound up about every game & streak. Sit back & simply enjoy the games for what they are..entertainment. Don't carry excessive expectations for our classy, young cast. This season should play out so we come out on the winning-end, whichever way it goes.

This gets a bump after a tough tilt. @BrockBoester pushed the darn PANIC button!(next freeken post..thanks man), but we gotta remember to enjoy watching the young crew grow together. Patience is in order.

[BrockBoester]

2 hours ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

This gets a bump after a tough tilt. @BrockBoester pushed the darn PANIC button!(next freeken post..thanks man), but we gotta remember to enjoy watching the young crew grow together. Patience is in order.

[iceman64]

On 11/19/2019 at 11:52 PM, Nuxfanabroad said:

Before folks start looking thoughtfully at bridges & ledges, thought I'd throw this out there. A bit of duality, might be the ticket. Either 1, they turn it 'round, or 2, they're not ready yet.

 

I still contend that either way, we'll be fine. I still love the character youth we've acquired, & fully back our beloved 'Nuckers.

 

1-turn it round to me simply implies they make the PO's. Thus the trade commitment with Tbay is completed. That's all fine, & today might sit around 40, 50%..who knows?

Prob wouldn't go far yet, anyhow..but the exp would be great for our youth. Both making it in, & playing in mid, late April/perhaps early May? Fine & dandy

 

2-not ready yet There are a number of reasons I'm fully embracing this possibility too. I'll list them here, for simplicity's sake

 

- The two Lou/Lu's have botched the cap. If we slide back(next 60 games), contracts should be simple for the next two yrs. Presumably EP & QH won't be able to demand astronomical deals. We'd prob move on from Schall, Jacob, Tan-man..or re-sign them reasonably. It'll encourage the team to keep inserting exciting ELC youth, every Fall.

 

- We're able to be more aggressive from late Dec-TDL in letting older assets go. It's a great time to collect more picks, or cheaper players/prospects for team & farm. There's a nice period here, to start really shaping/molding the future roster, as an ED looms about 15, 16 mos later. Be proactive & get out ahead of it all.

 

- The 2020 draft is apparently loaded. There's a nice final(hopefully) high pick to add in with our brilliant young core. No Screaming team positional/size-deficiency now, so JB can just sit back & choose whoever he feels is the brightest young talent available.

 

                                                                                                             ***So the 2021 pick to Tbay?***

 

Haters will try to turn this into 14 mos of ranting Hell. I'll state now, they can all go there themselves. Irrespective of whatever selection slot they wind up with, we made this call(I'm glad we did)..from my own pov, a fan should fully accept the choice. For these two yrs & going fwd, Miller will likely be a valuable vet contributor(signed reasonably), helping our youth excel on & off the ice.

 

In the end my friends I'm saying don't get too wound up about every game & streak. Sit back & simply enjoy the games for what they are..entertainment. Don't carry excessive expectations for our classy, young cast. This season should play out so we come out on the winning-end, whichever way it goes.

ummmm we"re still new as a team and building a identity as hard to play against but lately, especially the hard month of november which included the usual injuries but we went .500 which is great if your a nucks fan and watching your team NOT fall right over of the picture as before but this year, we have guys stepping up and others stepping in to fill  but as far as i know november was our toughest month so that shows a big improvement and a lot of that came from JT Miller pitching in, so the haters..  well, they can suck it, if they want to still look that stupid when TB gets a middle of the road first round pick AT BEST, then they can just keep looking stupid..  who cares? 

[iceman64]

On 11/20/2019 at 12:19 PM, DADDYROCK said:

Dallas is an older team that is playing great right now,so let's not get too down on our team.

There are not too many teams that can take it to Dallas right now, so chill.

well this is the CDC remember?  must blow $&!#e out of proportion and scream the sky is falling...  We're still a cpl years off yet but getting there and the team is slowly pulling together with upgrades coming but let's panic if we don't win the cup this year, rip it down and try again right?

 

Good grief!  Like Myers, has had a few bad games but some really good ones too like most of our guys this year have but let's write him off and forget how badly we'll need him and his size if we make the post this season, oh yeah...  he lost an edge and fell that cost a goal, woooooooooooooo... accidents never happen do they?  good grief, even the best hockey players in the nhl have had accidents happen that led to goals (how stupid can you be to think that shi_) 

Smh...  

[Phat Fingers]

Panic Stations!!

[Phat Fingers]

Or Chill and let the process play out.

[Phat Fingers]

Or go full beast and don't let anything stop you, not even my actual dog... Rufus. 

[Phat Fingers]

5 minutes ago, Phat Fingers said:

Panic Stations!!

That's me in Green trying to figure out why the CDC is having and off day.  

Edited December 13, 2019 by Phat Fingers

[Nuxfanabroad]

Yeah..mid-season blahs will challenge the bandwagon-jumpers. Get to gp40, with 44, 45 pts, & we'll be okay.

[Dumb Nuck]

We should be resting Markstrom.

[ItTakesAnArmy]

Not sure there should have been panic at any time.

 

This team is not ready yet, they are rebuilding through the draft Benning's way, very slowly. All these signings are just to make losing better look like being better.

Essentially nothing changed except the perception that trading away a 1rst and 3rd pick bestowed a playoff spot and a super star player.

 

Goaltending has been propping this team up or been making the losses look closer, giving the impression that the team was really close to being able to consistently compete against the top teams in the league.

 

Fans have missed the playoffs enough that a possible appearance is sold to them at every possibility and when that fails then the subject is Hughes and Pettersson and how the good they will be in the future, the same future that Benning is trading away for a spot gap measure now.

 

At the start of every year the fans and media are going crazy over being in the hunt, DUH!, at the start of the season all teams are close into December. The Thanksgiving day thing is just marker on the calendar that shows how hard it is to make up ground, it just worse after that date. 4 points can take a month to over take a single team but when multiple teams are involved it is daunting. As StL showed it is not impossible but then they are a superb team that was in a tail spin at the time, not a perennial bottom feeder.

 

There is no need for panic, the team is doing just fine, they have added another young player and he is learning the game, next year they may add another and then they will have 4 that Benning added over 7 years, maybe.

 

Expect another 3 point improvement over last season, maybe and be reminded they are still the worst team in the league over the last 4 years and this season overall so aim small and avoid disappointment because apart from mistakes, improvements are small and slow under JB management.

 

He fires the coach to save his job or trades away more of the future, panic if that happens.

Edited December 16, 2019 by ItTakesAnArmy

[MikeyD]

On 11/20/2019 at 4:38 AM, Bertuzzi44ever said:

There seem to be less great teams. I mean how many teams

can you say are truly great.

 

boston Washington St. Louis ....of course Colorado and A few others could be argued, Im talking about elite Tampa bay too but they’ve been average this season 

That's because no star players are willing to take a pay cut anymore. Look at Boston. Consistently good. Their top players are paid like 2nd liners FFS. 

[bertuzzi44fan]

3 hours ago, ItTakesAnArmy said:

Not sure there should have been panic at any time.

 

This team is not ready yet, they are rebuilding through the draft Benning's way, very slowly. All these signings are just to make losing better look like being better.

Essentially nothing changed except the perception that trading away a 1rst and 3rd pick bestowed a playoff spot and a super star player.

 

Goaltending has been propping this team up or been making the losses look closer, giving the impression that the team was really close to being able to consistently compete against the top teams in the league.

 

Fans have missed the playoffs enough that a possible appearance is sold to them at every possibility and when that fails then the subject is Hughes and Pettersson and how the good they will be in the future, the same future that Benning is trading away for a spot gap measure now.

 

At the start of every year the fans and media are going crazy over being in the hunt, DUH!, at the start of the season all teams are close into December. The Thanksgiving day thing is just marker on the calendar that shows how hard it is to make up ground, it just worse after that date. 4 points can take a month to over take a single team but when multiple teams are involved it is daunting. As StL showed it is not impossible but then they are a superb team that was in a tail spin at the time, not a perennial bottom feeder.

 

There is no need for panic, the team is doing just fine, they have added another young player and he is learning the game, next year they may add another and then they will have 4 that Benning added over 7 years, maybe.

 

Expect another 3 point improvement over last season, maybe and be reminded they are still the worst team in the league over the last 4 years and this season overall so aim small and avoid disappointment because apart from mistakes, improvements are small and slow under JB management.

 

He fires the coach to save his job or trades away more of the future, panic if that happens.

they are ready to be better than this,in fact they've under achieved for a few years.Once Boeser and Petersson and Hughes arrived the Canucks should easily be winning their division.It is a complete choke job some nights,not even losses to poor luck.Just coming out slow so often with this much youth should be a red flag of the highest order.

[Nuxfanabroad]

Too much hand wringing & navel gazing has filtered into this thread. Win or lose this yr..it's W/W, afaic

 

That was the original message.

 

People want to whine & gripe..why don't they start a special thread for THAT wonderful solution?!

[Maddogy]

My Biases:

 

- On a philosophical level I disagree with J.B. on the Miller trade because his timeline for the team is too optimistic. 

- I do really appreciate that J.B. operates by timeline though

 

My opinion:

 

- This team's core players are too young to lead this team. It took Nathan Mackinnon 5 seasons to reach dominance. 

- This team's net front presence is OK

- This team is noticeably lackluster in breakaways, 2 on 1 and 3 on 2 situations. This may indicate a lack of skill. 

- Players on PP1 are still getting the feel of what a dominant PP should feel like

- It is still an open question whether Boeser is an elite/franchise winger, he is not much of a factor on PP1, he should switch spots with Miller and give it a try

- The most questionable thing about the coaching staff is whether they can coach the type of defence that the Canucks players are capable of executing. If the players do not have the skills, experience or inclination to play defence the way the coaching staff wishes, the staff needs to be let go due to misfit/mismatch. 

- Players such as Leivo, Virtanen and Gaudette are still "finding themselves". This is absolutely normal for bunch of "kids". It is fair to demand them to make progress every year, but it is too early to demand much more than that. 

 

 

My recommendation:

 

- J.B. should speak with the whole team and tell them it is up to them to decide which direction this team goes. If they get back on the playoff path the organization may even make certain short term moves to ensure a playoff appearance. However, if they do not steer this ship back to success, he will have to do what is in the organization's best interest. Some of their teammates will be traded (e.g. Tanev, possibly Markstrom).

 

My prediction for 2020:

 

Either we miss the playoffs and finally get some luck in the draft lottery or we squeeze into the playoffs during the final 10 days. 

Edited December 16, 2019 by Maddogy

[ItTakesAnArmy]

51 minutes ago, bertuzzi44fan said:

they are ready to be better than this,in fact they've under achieved for a few years.Once Boeser and Petersson and Hughes arrived the Canucks should easily be winning their division.It is a complete choke job some nights,not even losses to poor luck.Just coming out slow so often with this much youth should be a red flag of the highest order.

Actually they have probably over achieved thanks to the stellar goal tending from Miller and Markstrom AND just how good Tanev and Edler were or are.

 

I can't see how anyone could have expected more? BB, EP and QH have hardly any NHL games yet, Horvat is only one player and being pressured by being the captain too much. Who is the second echleon scoring? How old are they and how old in 3/4 years?

Just because Horvat is on the second line or what ever it is called, doesn't mean they are any good 2nd liners at the NHL level. Consistency.

 

Just relax, the team was never guaranteed a PO spot and it is still earyly yet BUT fans are finally starting to look at a comparison to other teams which are improving faster and younger players than the Canucks.

 

Just because the Canucks have a couple of youngsters that will be good doesn't make them a good team overall and immediately, the rebuild continues for a long, long time under Benning.

 

PS - Benning is the guy who decided who was the right guy to coach the team, if there is a failure look no further.

[Nuxfanabroad]

Needs a bump, before the panicky vibes really start swirling.

 

Team just needs to relax, & win a simple 2-1 affair. Get back to basics.

 

7 & 2 over the last 9 is still pretty smooth.