Babcock or Green. Who would you rather see coach the Canucks.

[FlyLow_]

23 hours ago, rekker said:

Babcock or Green. I'm not a huge Babcock fan but are Green's systems working? Opponents zone entries are easy, odd man rushes against the Canucks are plenty. Canucks don't "start on time". Maybe its time for a change. 

Funny how Leafs had the same problems under Babcock, I do really like Green but I'm not sure either guy is the right fit for this team. I do feel like both coaches are trying to pound a square peg into a round hole when it comes to how they run their teams. The Canucks clearly need to be playing a style like the habs and panthers where they relentlessly attack. Attack on defense, attack in the neutral zone, turn pucks over get it up ice quick and put their dynamic players in positions to use their skillset off the rush.

 

Green seems to be intent on making petey and boeser grind on the walls, and yes it's part of hockey but you need to look at your team and build your structure and style of play based on your core. Why in the world would you want Petey, Boeser and Hughes playing slow, grinding hockey in the corners all the time. Why in the world wouldn't you design your systems around the strengths of your best players that will be here for a very long time? If you look back on the wonderful seasons that Boeser and Petey previously had a lot of their damage was done off the rush, I'm not sure how we got so far away from that but it's extremely obvious that the chip and chase is not working at all.

 

Our 5 on 5 systems don't involve Hughes in the offense at all. That's a real problem for me. Again, I do like Green but my fear is he seems intent on playing heavy/grindy hockey and our entire core is based on speed and skill. I believe Babcock has shown the same inability to adapt to his team and lost his job because of it, so it's a hard pass for me.

 

Watching the Habs play has changed my opinion on everything. They have less talent than us, no superstars, but they play a dynamic style that is relentless and designed around their best players moving forward. That's what needs to happen here.

 

 

Edited November 21, 2019 by FlyLow_

[canuck73_3]

59 minutes ago, CptCanuck16 said:

Lol okay, so we're supposed to take some guys word that played 17 games under him as gospel? The honeymoon wasn't even over yet.

He played for him twice, once in Anaheim’s farm system. And was treated like crap there by Babcock too. Was traded and started a pretty solid career for himself.

[Angry Goose]

18 minutes ago, canuck2288 said:

No trap break 

 

no break out plays, just a circle back cluster 

 

terrible lack of line matching, terrible roster choices, terrible oversight of special teams 

 

can’t manage line changes without too many men on the ice 

 

no use of timeouts at strategic times 

 

..... that’s just a start 

I dont think you know what youre talking about.

 

tell me what the far side winger does on break outs.

 

 

[Baratheon]

If they we had no head coach and were looking to hire then I would prefer Babcock.

I do NOT however want them to fire Green in order to hire Babs.  I wouldn't want them to do it mid-season at least.  The off-season might be a different story.

[shiznak]

20 minutes ago, bree2 said:

 Babs was a proven  winner, he isn't now!!!

Rather have a “has-been”, then a “never-was.”

[Coconuts]

I like Green, but probably Babs. Not sure he's the right fit though, but I'm not really sure who is. 

 

At any given time you've only got a limited pool of coaches available and if you want someone you've gotta try and grab em quick. 

 

It'd be funny if we hired him and kept Green on in some capacity too, it'd be even funnier if we made the playoffs with Babs and Toronto missed. Toronto would have a meltdown. Don't see it happening though. 

[CptCanuck16]

47 minutes ago, SILLY GOOSE said:

How so?  Please explain

-Teams have figured out an effective method to counter our break out. A variation of the neutral zone trap. Green has made no adjustments. 

 

-Green still has forwards playing high, necessitating a long stretch pass through a clogged up neutral zone. This doesn't work at least 75% of the time yet they continue to do it ad nauseum. This is a continuation of the exact same system they played last season. It didn't work then either. 

 

-Sloppy changes and surrendering puck possession voluntarily waaaaaay too many times per game. Green sees no problem spending most of the night chasing the puck.  In fact he thinks it's reel gud.

 

-A stationary and  predictable PP. Teams have figured out that all you have to do is badger the puck carrier because all the Canucks are going to do is pass it back and forth around the outside trying to set up a one timer. No risk of the uncovered man trying to set up a backdoor play so commit to the puck carrier with no fear of repercussions. Green thinks the PP looks amazing.

 

-A stationary PK. Our 4 man box literally stands stoic as a statue merely swinging their sticks while the other team has all the time in the world to make a play. This system makes Travis elated.

 

-Personel choices: Playing Leivo on the PP and in OT. Continuing to play Erickson. Sitting Virtanen when he's the only one creating any energy in the game. Scratching Guadette to play Loui. Quadruple shifting Horvat so he can win a faceoff just to have his linemates dump it down the ice and skate to the bench. 

 

 

And on and on and on....

[Angry Goose]

3 minutes ago, CptCanuck16 said:

-Teams have figured out an effective method to counter our break out. A variation of the neutral zone trap. Green has made no adjustments. 

 

-Green still has forwards playing high, necessitating a long stretch pass through a clogged up neutral zone. This doesn't work at least 75% of the time yet they continue to do it ad nauseum. This is a continuation of the exact same system they played last season. It didn't work then either. 

 

-Sloppy changes and surrendering puck possession voluntarily waaaaaay too many times per game. Green sees no problem spending most of the night chasing the puck.  In fact he thinks it's reel gud.

 

-A stationary and  predictable PP. Teams have figured out that all you have to do is badger the puck carrier because all the Canucks are going to do is pass it back and forth around the outside trying to set up a one timer. No risk of the uncovered man trying to set up a backdoor play so commit to the puck carrier with no fear of repercussions. Green thinks the PP looks amazing.

 

-A stationary PK. Our 4 man box literally stands stoic as a statue merely swinging their sticks while the other team has all the time in the world to make a play. This system makes Travis elated.

 

-Personel choices: Playing Leivo on the PP and in OT. Continuing to play Erickson. Sitting Virtanen when he's the only one creating any energy in the game. Scratching Guadette to play Loui. Quadruple shifting Horvat so he can win a faceoff just to have his linemates dump it down the ice and skate to the bench. 

 

 

And on and on and on....

sigh.........nevermind

[McBackup]

Green.

[LateNightBus]

1 hour ago, MoneypuckOverlord said:

 

 

 

please spare some time to watch this video.

 

anyways for me at this point I rather have green.

Thanks for the upload, I did not know this about Babcock but I personally would not want him, someone like Trotz , Quenneville, G.Gallant, proven winners. But give Coach Green the rest of this season, most likely will not be any coach available until then, if a coaching change is needed.

[Dogcrazy]

Cups winning coach or a no cup coach?  Who would you rather have?? lol

[LateNightBus]

I mean to say I would prefer someone like Trotz , Quenneville, G.Gallant, proven winners.

[Curmudgeon]

All teams have slumps. Canucks are no different. Didn't hear anybody bitching about Green the first dozen games. As a certified old guy I am advocating patience. Don't get too high when the team is playing well, and don't get too low when they aren't. It is far easier on your heart, your stomach, you nerves and everyone else around you if you just breathe, file the losses under "too bad" and focus on the next game. And know this: the guy you want to fire knows the game better than you do, knows the players better than you do and feels the frustration of losing far deeper than you ever can (except if you yourself have played several seasons in the NHL, then we'll listen to you). As for Babcock, he accomplished virtually nothing in Toronto and precious little in Detroit after 2010, so how is he better than Green?

[CptCanuck16]

16 minutes ago, Curmudgeon said:

Didn't hear anybody bitching about Green the first dozen games

I was holding my tongue. I saw all the same glaring issues from last season but didn't want to sound like a negative Nancy when we were winning.

[Kushman]

38 minutes ago, SILLY GOOSE said:

sigh.........nevermind

Solid rebuttal.

Why bother posting if you aren't going to contribute to the conversation besides condescending sighing like you're some little kid.

[canuck2288]

45 minutes ago, SILLY GOOSE said:

I dont think you know what youre talking about.

 

tell me what the far side winger does on break outs.

 

 

The way you worded that shows me you learned hockey watching tv and not playing 

 

people like you make me laugh 
 

Assuming the D man did not carry the puck up the ice, let’s assume left D behind the net. Left winger hooks back gives a target along the boards. centre button hooks in cheating to the left and the right wing hooks at the right circle and watches if the d man passes up the left wing, if he does the right winger cuts up the middle. Gives tge D man 3 targets and the left Winger 2 options 

 

you should try playing, may keep you from making dumb comments 
 

 

 

 

 

[HC20.0]

4 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

I believe it happened with Wayne Cashman in the late '90s. Cashman was the head coach for the Flyers during the 1997-98 season. Then in the following season, Roger Neilson was brought in as head coach while Cashman was demoted to assistant coach.

That happened with Jim Playfair too I believe when the Flames brought in Mike Keenan. 

[Me_]

5 hours ago, naslund.is.king said:

1 hr and we're already having this discussion 

That’s how great Babcock is.

 

Should the Canucks suddenly do such a move, it would be very hard to see Green out. 
 

Green is a really good coach for this team.

 

But it’s Babcock.

[brownky]

I wonder how many Babcock fans remember how much he hates playing young players? 

 

Look for Loui on the first line, like Marleau last year. Doesn't matter how ineffective they are, as long as they've paid their dues. 

[Me_]

4 minutes ago, brownky said:

I wonder how many Babcock fans remember how much he hates playing young players? 

 

Look for Loui on the first line, like Marleau last year. Doesn't matter how ineffective they are, as long as they've paid their dues. 

Putting Eriksson and Marleau in the same sentence is the fundamental problem with this view.
 

Green is fine for sure.

Edited November 21, 2019 by Me_