Popular Post ForsbergTheGreat Posted November 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 26, 2019 47 minutes ago, cuporbust said: No , because the word "cracker" does not come with the history of centuries of severe physical and sexual abuse, torture, murder and enslavement of an entire race of people simply because of the color of their skin. I’m going go here while all that stuff is terrible. How does that relate to the individual in the current situation that has had little experience with that disgusting past. im really curious and looking for an honest opinion. Everyone experience disrespectful comments in life, how does that word negatively affect an individual more than many of the other negative slurs that exist today. Again I’m looking at an individual level not a historical level. call a black person a n word 10 years ago and you lose your job and get scorned off the earth Call a homosexual three letter f word ten years ago and no one bats an eye. No ones loosing there job over that. call a promiscuous women the s word ten years ago and people laugh. Call an over weight person, who struggles with severe depression fat 10 years ago and again no one really thinks twice. To the individuals does one word cause more emotional pain? If you believe the answer is yes. I’m truly looking for an opinion on why and really looking for an honest discussion as I’m open to understand. I’d argue that its based on the individual, and has very little to do with race, gender, sexual orientation or body type. Even person is affected differently and every person struggles with insults on different levels. 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, Monty said: I think it has more to do about finding out the details about the closed door meeting between Aliu and Peters. There was likely more said during that meeting than simply, Now, I’m not saying Peters did or did not apologize. However, I doubt the meeting started and stopped with these two, short sentences. Was it really an 8 second conversation, or was more actually said? The Flames are likely trying to find out those details. Especially because, like Aliu stated, if Peters only apologized, he wouldn’t have brought this up. It’s possible Peters did apologize, it may not have been sincere, it may have been too quick to hear. Who knows right now. But that’s likely what they are trying to find out. There's way more to it than just playing music and being called a slur. Aliu says he was on pace for 20 goals (AHL) with no power play time as a first year pro and as a result of this Peters called Stan Bowman and had Aliu buried in the ECHL. That's an abuse of power. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said: There's way more to it than just playing music and being called a slur. Aliu says he was on pace for 20 goals (AHL) with no power play time as a first year pro and as a result of this Peters called Stan Bowman and had Aliu buried in the ECHL. That's an abuse of power. There’s this as well, yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MystifyNCrucify Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Yawn. #MeTooNHL Bad things happen all the time. The longer you wait to do something about it, the less it seems like genuine “distress” and more like a sad attempt at vengeance, or worse. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokes Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Bob.Loblaw said: I guess someone is afraid of speaking out because he might get kicked out forever. I mean.... if you really cant make this connection, I don't know... It's called manners not fear. If I fear so much, I would be home right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Monty Posted November 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, MystifyNCrucify said: Yawn. #MeTooNHL Bad things happen all the time. The longer you wait to do something about it, the less it seems like genuine “distress” and more like a sad attempt at vengeance, or worse. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokes Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 3 hours ago, Down by the River said: Lol. Talk about propaganda. Being allowed to leave is a very meek definition of free. I have to wonder if all the people upset that people are being called to the carpet for things they said ten years ago are just people that have a history of saying racist $&!# and want to deter the people they know from mentioning it again. Or it could be because growing up in Vancouver and being called racist names all the time in my childhood made me develop a tougher skin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 34 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said: I think that's exactly it. Peters must have lawyered up. He's coached his last game as Flames coach. And his last game as an NHL coach. Yeah, pretty sure they're going to throw the Green Book at him.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milk and honey Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Imo nazi or being called a racist is the absolute worst things to be called as a white person. With that being said the n word or any other racial slurs towards other races are worst. White people are historically responsible for the a large amount of wars, poverty and power hunger. White people have done lots of great things but lots of bad things to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebreh Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 lol Treleving and the fLames are not having a good season in all fronts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokes Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 3 hours ago, Hogs & Podz said: If you come from a people of color you wouldn't even be asking this question. Every person of color has had to deal with overt racism and even more prevalent, subtle less apparent racial prejudices at some point or in most cases a number of times in their life. I being one. I have many examples. It is still a systemic problem in our current society now... And this example (Peters) is one of many more that will continue to come to light going forward. The question of why we haven't heard about this Peters story before now is the exact reason that I just highlighted. I do come from a people of color and I have had to deal with my share of racism but I am not going to a victim to it. If someone comes at me with racism or ignorance I will fight back regardless of the consequences. But to go out in public and try to have the guys livelihood destroyed through this cancel culture? I am sure this guy must have more than just Peter's hurl a racial slur at him. Why stop at Peter's? Why not name everyone? And while we are at it, we should have everyone of color come out and air their instances of racism. That way the court of public opinion can come down properly on everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 9 minutes ago, smokes said: I do come from a people of color and I have had to deal with my share of racism but I am not going to a victim to it. If someone comes at me with racism or ignorance I will fight back regardless of the consequences. But to go out in public and try to have the guys livelihood destroyed through this cancel culture? I am sure this guy must have more than just Peter's hurl a racial slur at him. Why stop at Peter's? Why not name everyone? And while we are at it, we should have everyone of color come out and air their instances of racism. That way the court of public opinion can come down properly on everyone. Because Peter's was in a position of power over aliu's career, that's why 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Scottish⑦Canuck Posted November 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2019 51 minutes ago, MystifyNCrucify said: Yawn. #MeTooNHL Bad things happen all the time. The longer you wait to do something about it, the less it seems like genuine “distress” and more like a sad attempt at vengeance, or worse. This is an awful take. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said: It really wasn't that long ago, tho. Certainly not so long ago to not know using that term isn't appropriate. Aliu was also playing in different pro leagues up to last year, so he had reason to stay quiet given how people that speak up have been treated or could be treated. I think @bree2's point is that Peters may have changed in the last 10 years and regrets his actions and words, not that it was acceptable 10 years ago. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squamfan Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 24 minutes ago, stawns said: Because Peter's was in a position of power over aliu's career, that's why again aliu could have joined another team and proven that he was good and treated badly, but he did not 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 3 hours ago, timberz21 said: IMO Peters should be held accountable and if he doesn't resign, the Flames should let him go. However, I do believe in redemption and if Peters can prove he has changed and shows it by his actions, I wouldn't held it against anybody for bringing him back in a few years. I mean, even though Keefe was a teenager, he's a good example of redemption and I think his story can inspire a lot of people who have done shady stuff in the past. I think you're bang on here. If Peter's is unapologetic, then he's completely toast. If he's changed and regrets what he's done, then it would be a nice sign that people can change and improve and I would be fine with him remaining in the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 he could have just said $&!#ty music $&!#ty is a much more appropriate adjective (appropriate as in accurate) (c'mon rap fans - fight me) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samurai Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 18 hours ago, canuck73_3 said: Why does it matter if he was a plug, those comments from Peter’s were completely out of line and unnecessary. Also if by plug you mean 20 year old rookie on pace for 20 goals then yes, plug. Seriously, stupid take on this... Happened 10 years ago so the accuracy of the recall is questionable at best - it has been well demonstrated that accuracy of memory deteriorates even after a few hours regardless of whether we think so or not. If he was directly calling Akim racial slurs than that is pretty bad, but seems unlikely. But there is something ironic in that hip hop is well know for anti-gay and misogynistic themes. Peters sicking of hearing comment in reference to anal sex is a pretty accurate characterization of some hip hop lyrics - you want some specific example - check out DMX - Where the hood at. Last week someone was playing that kind of hip hop at an event I was at and I saw people react the exact same way - they were mocking the language used. I think you probably need to get the whole context before calling it out of line Who knows perhaps Akima was listening to some clean hip hop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sean Monahan Posted November 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2019 15 minutes ago, Squamfan said: again aliu could have joined another team and proven that he was good and treated badly, but he did not His rights were owned by Chicago. This isn’t your son’s U-10 soccer team, he can’t just simply “join” another team. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaches5 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, MystifyNCrucify said: Yawn. #MeTooNHL Bad things happen all the time. The longer you wait to do something about it, the less it seems like genuine “distress” and more like a sad attempt at vengeance, or worse. Not when you have corroborating witnesses and evidence to back up your accusations 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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