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[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Pittsburgh Penguins | Nov. 27, 2019

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3 minutes ago, Trebreh said:

not really blame but pointed out that we had a young group of forwards dressed tonight and how they were rattled... which is BS if u ask me.

Yup, especially after benching some of them in the second.

MacEwen, Goldobin, Graovac weren't on the ice for a goal against. Gaudette had 2 goals. Hughes had three assists.

 

Meanwhile our healthy veteran d core was absolutely ventilated.

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3 minutes ago, bree2 said:

three 4th liners? Sutter is not a 4th liner Ferland is not a 4th liner and Rousell is a 3rd liner but all make the team better along with Beagle and Motte

Fact is Colorado is playing better with just as bad injury woes, worse cause their stars have gone down, than we are with bottom 6ers gone. The injury excuse doesn't fly. Ferland is barely a 3rd liner in my books with his play this year. Motte and Beagle are good 4th liners, but again our team shouldn't collapse with bottom 6 injuries when teams with top 6 injuries continue to play well. Our depth should cover injuries to bottom 6 players but it hasn't.

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21 minutes ago, xereau said:

Team needs a big shake up. Too much complacency and lazy crappy play.

I agree. Even when the goalie was pulled and there was 30 seconds left there was no sense of urgency. Guys were still holding the puck behind our net waiting, skating non chalantly down the ice, and trying to make cute plays instead of just crashing  the net and trying to get a garbage goal. 

 

What happened to this team? At the beginning of the season everyone was flying. We looked so fast compared to other teams. Now we look slow af! Obviously our guys didn't forget how to skate so it's gotta be a coaching thing. Like they're telling them to slow it down and play a more stationary style. Maybe that's why JV gets limited ice time, he's too fast for TG's "system". 

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23 pages already, indicating that majority of fans agreed that Green needs to be gone.  He's on a hot seat.   Benning has a great job on the roster and we have been basically healthy on defence and goaltender except for forwards and yet we lose.  I would keep Benning for next few years but Green must go.   Green is good for young players but doesn't have what it takes to make the next step toward the playoff berth. 6-3 lead was good until we blew it was the final straw.   If we won the game, he would have coached for a few more years.  

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1 minute ago, Junkyard Dog said:

If you look at the lineup it is soft af and there are no defensive forwards in the bottom 6. As a young team with that handicap and a average d-core you are not gonna win a lot of games. There are no if ands or buts. A bottom 6 consisting  AHLers and young guys are not gonna check any NHL line successfully on a nightly basis.

 

Put in the best coach you can find with that lineup we are still gonna lose a lot. No forwards gonna be able to defend top forwards which puts way more pressure on defenseman and you see our d cracking under that pressure.

 

You can hate on Green but the injuries we have are the main reasons for our struggles.

Out of his 4 seasons in Utica, he went to the finals once, lost in the 1st round, and missed the playoffs twice. 

 

He just doesn't win games man. Don't know what to tell ya.

 

Think he could coach a couple AHLers in the NHL since hes been there before, nope.

 

I want Vancouver to win you want Vancouver to win but does Travis know how to coach a professional hockey club?

 

 

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20 minutes ago, Seinfeld said:

Honestly wouldn't be against benching Boeser for a game or two. It might make him realize how much effort his linemates put in every shift in comparison to his. 

Who fills the PP spot,who makes up for ( a game or two ) 23 points/25 games in production?

 

Lets use the 2 Edmonton games to make him realize.

 

NAH!

 

 

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3 minutes ago, gameburn said:

They have always preached the importance of a winning culture.  If that is still true, then they have to address this game. 

Goaltending and penalties cannot be used as excuses in this debacle.  

Coaching, luck and player selection seem to be the issue here, in descending order.  (Injuries play a bit of a role in player selection, but bring up Goldobin in place of more defensively reliable players is an issue.) 

Why would you even bring up Goldobin?  He was a non factor and it's not like Louie or Sven would've made any more of an impact.  

If you want to blame the coach, do so on his game management.  

Some of you guys want to blame the coach for our forwards choking and not playing aggressively in the 3rd period.  What do you think that has to do with the coach?  He's not drawing up plays for them at 5 on 5.  

If you want to be objective, you can say that he should've benched our top line of Elias and Brock because they were getting dominated by the Malkin line.  None of our fanbase seems to want to face the truth there.  You guys are suggesting that Green should've been screaming and yanking our players around on the bench to get them to play harder?  

Great, let's hire Babcock or Peters and see how that turns out. 

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1 minute ago, Coconuts said:

I'm still wondering why Goldy was stapled to the bench. What's the point in calling him up if he's not going to be utilized? He had less than nine minutes of ice time. 

Baffling team decision to have him sit and watch from the bench and not the press box.

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3 minutes ago, amplified0ne said:

The dump and change with a 1 goal lead and tie game have to go.  Also the bump back with no speed on the PP is a waste of time and leads to chances for the other team; frustrating seeing Petey bump it back and there is no canuck inframe for like 5 secs and Pitt get a grade A scoring chance out of it.  This is all coaching.

I disagree that isn't one of the blames that should be put on coaches tonight.

When u practice break outs, u dont drop it on the same spot all the time. 

Players need to read off the play and improvise. Every play is different. 

The play that u mentioned there, I saw it, too. It was frustrating but that's on the players not wanting it and playing passengers. 

 

Also, I am not sure how many people actually noticed but the team that did more dump and chase tonight was the Pens. (it's not even close)

In every situations, even when they were up, down, tied, they dumped the puck in deep and forechecked. 

 

About bumping back on the PP, the players learned to manipulate it more. Saw Huggy fake a drop pass to skate it in for a play that resulted in Miller hitting the post. 

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Just now, VancouverHabitant said:

Why would you even bring up Goldobin?  He was a non factor and it's not like Louie or Sven would've made any more of an impact.  

If you want to blame the coach, do so on his game management.  

Some of you guys want to blame the coach for our forwards choking and not playing aggressively in the 3rd period.  What do you think that has to do with the coach?  He's not drawing up plays for them at 5 on 5.  

If you want to be objective, you can say that he should've benched our top line of Elias and Brock because they were getting dominated by the Malkin line.  None of our fanbase seems to want to face the truth there.  You guys are suggesting that Green should've been screaming and yanking our players around on the bench to get them to play harder?  

Great, let's hire Babcock or Peters and see how that turns out. 

Hiring Babcock sounds like a snack right about now. 

 

Peters has that thing going on I don't know if you've heard or not.

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1 minute ago, VancouverHabitant said:

Why would you even bring up Goldobin?  He was a non factor and it's not like Louie or Sven would've made any more of an impact.  

If you want to blame the coach, do so on his game management.  

Some of you guys want to blame the coach for our forwards choking and not playing aggressively in the 3rd period.  What do you think that has to do with the coach?  He's not drawing up plays for them at 5 on 5.  

If you want to be objective, you can say that he should've benched our top line of Elias and Brock because they were getting dominated by the Malkin line.  None of our fanbase seems to want to face the truth there.  You guys are suggesting that Green should've been screaming and yanking our players around on the bench to get them to play harder?  

Great, let's hire Babcock or Peters and see how that turns out. 

No to Babcock nor Peters.  Find someone else to coach.  Bruce Bourdeau (sp?) would be a good coach just to reach the playoffs but he is not a playoff coach but we simply need to encourage young team to play well and be creative as he has done for Washignton and Minny for a few seasons then hire some coach that would be available that would strive for the Cup.

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