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50 minutes ago, JayDangles said:

You're right, every team has injuries... But remember, injuries are a double sided coin... it's 1 side to lose a player, the other side is "who is replacing them"

Yes, Pens lost Crosby, but they have some strong guys able to step in and fill his roll, sort of.

 

Who is stepping in to fill Ferlands aggressive roll? No one

Who is stepping in to fill Beagles Pk shut down roll? No one

Who is stepping in to fill Sutters pk shut down roll? Gaudette, but lacking defensive prowess and faceoffs

Who is stepping in to fill Roussels agitator roll? No one

Who is stepping in to fill Motte's energy roll? Give you a hint, it's not Erickson.... its no one

 

So yes, other teams have injuries, but the Canucks injuries are felt double hard because (Warning sweet rhyme coming) we only have bodies to fill holes... not rolls. 

 

Ferland didn't contribute so eveything is a positive.

The PK is still doing okay so Beagle isn't really missed.

Roussel has not played so again anything is a plus.

Etc, etc, etc

 

Obviously there is no depth, no prospects to step into these roles, no drafted players that can do the job.

That is Green's fault? Nope!

 

Oh and it will get worse because there is no cap space.

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15 minutes ago, Stelar said:

Got it. So our injuries are different than other teams injuries. So who on Pittsburgh is filling Crosby, Bjugstad, and Schultz roles?

Come on man.... think a little deeper. The roll Crosby plays can be filled with offensive players willing to step up. i.e Malkin, Guentzel, McCan... 

 

yes our injuries are different because the rolls the injured players play are significantly more than simply losing offence. The point I was trying to make is the canucks have lost aggressors, agitators, defensive specialist and energy guys, all at the same time. Those are really hard rolls to fill, and have more of an effect on the game than a top goal scorer.

 

Case and point, goal scoring is important, but without a team to back them, it doesnt mean anything. See Oilers 2013-2018

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3 minutes ago, ItTakesAnArmy said:

Ferland didn't contribute so eveything is a positive.

The PK is still doing okay so Beagle isn't really missed.

Roussel has not played so again anything is a plus.

Etc, etc, etc

 

Obviously there is no depth, no prospects to step into these roles, no drafted players that can do the job.

That is Green's fault? Nope!

 

Oh and it will get worse because there is no cap space.

The point i was trying to make was in response to a poster who said every team has injuries and the Canucks injuries basically aren't an excuse for poor play. I'm trying to highlight that the loss of 5 players and lack of replacement has a significant impact on how the team plays

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12 hours ago, TheNewGM said:

Myers has been in the league for years and still crashes into our own players on the regular like he forgot who to body check. The power play still does the same ridiculous pass back to enter the O-zone almost every single time. Its not our young players inconsistencies that has me freaking out.

 

But good post and very true. We are much improved. But that is because we have a really stellar line up now. We have a playoff caliber lineup. I really liked Green as coach, but something has to give here. In the end these guys are professionals. I cant pin point what the problem is .... hmmm . Coaching?  I still get that vision of Myers crashing into Miller below the goal line in 3v3 OT.. and Bo also being below the goal line .. I guess you cant coach that vision ...

Tell us how you really feel about Myers?

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1 hour ago, DS4quality said:

I applaud your boldness of suggesting it. I've thought about this too. It also wouldn't hurt to have Petey play with someone who defensively sound and who has a history of scoring. But I don't think a lot of people will agree. 

Well.. in my poor recollections.. I don't think Green ever dared to try that for once!! So far, we are seeing an Eriksson that's not doing much on the 4th line... Do not get me wrong, I've been beyond disappointed with this guy who was supposed to be lights out with the Sedins. I would not mind one bit if he gets sent down to Utica today!

 

However, this season alone, have we seen him given opportunities to succeed offensively - top 2 lines & PP? Have Ferland, Pearson and Leivo been lights out in top 6? Just using logical thinking here... 

 

I just want to see which version of Eriksson will show up playing with Petey... will his wheels just fall right off or become more motivated to engage and try to score goals? Is Eriksson a lot worse than Baertschi and Goldobin in top 6?

 

 

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12 hours ago, Setyoureyesontheprize said:

People get too invested in the team and get their feelings hurt over a hockey game. 
 

Your post OP showcases this almost too perfectly. 
 

This times 10. It's a game. Relax people. So many other things in life are significantly more important and deserving much more attention. 

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1 minute ago, RRypien37 said:

This times 10. It's a game. Relax people. So many other things in life are significantly more important and deserving much more attention. 

So very true.  Even so, wouldn’t it actually be ideal for us to get a top 10 pick in 2020, and then make the playoffs is spring 2021?

Maybe we should be rolling out the tank?  :lol:

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2 hours ago, Duodenum said:

Been a fan since the 90s Batch, starting to lose faith in this current group doesn't mean jumping ship.

 

 

"This current group"?    Maybe that's your problem...you've set the bar too high for them right out of the gate.

 

I think you're tired of waiting...we all are.

 

But you miss a whole lot of good hockey in between if it's do or die, cup or bust.   30 teams won't win but that doesn't mean they don't deserve the fans faith - maybe it's time to give up on the gig if you're holding your breath and accepting nothing less.

 

The team has done fairly well, considering.  Scored 6 goals last night and, in the past, that was unheard of.  Yes, they let it slip away and have to address that sort of pressure from a team like the Pens who know how to get there.

 

The comments about the rest of us.  The point in this is to enjoy the ride, support the team or ... ?   If it's painful and we have no faith, it's a matter of being a sucker for punishment over time but that doesn't mean we all have to be subjected to the misery.

 

I have no problem defending my status as a homer fan.  If I was getting ticked off at this deal then I'd probably find something more constructive to do with my time than whine and complain about it.  Sure, it's a message board for discussion but when we do well, people tend to disappear or hold their breath to say "I told you so" the next time we don't.  

 

Criticism is one thing but you're all over the map with this.  So you're losing faith with this group...that goes back about a year if you factor QH into the mix.  Premature I'd say.  Patience.  Wait until the end of the season to claim "bust"?

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23 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

"This current group"?    Maybe that's your problem...you've set the bar too high for them right out of the gate.

 

I think you're tired of waiting...we all are.

 

But you miss a whole lot of good hockey in between if it's do or die, cup or bust.   30 teams won't win but that doesn't mean they don't deserve the fans faith - maybe it's time to give up on the gig if you're holding your breath and accepting nothing less.

 

The team has done fairly well, considering.  Scored 6 goals last night and, in the past, that was unheard of.  Yes, they let it slip away and have to address that sort of pressure from a team like the Pens who know how to get there.

 

The comments about the rest of us.  The point in this is to enjoy the ride, support the team or ... ?   If it's painful and we have no faith, it's a matter of being a sucker for punishment over time but that doesn't mean we all have to be subjected to the misery.

 

I have no problem defending my status as a homer fan.  If I was getting ticked off at this deal then I'd probably find something more constructive to do with my time than whine and complain about it.  Sure, it's a message board for discussion but when we do well, people tend to disappear or hold their breath to say "I told you so" the next time we don't.  

 

Criticism is one thing but you're all over the map with this.  So you're losing faith with this group...that goes back about a year if you factor QH into the mix.  Premature I'd say.  Patience.  Wait until the end of the season to claim "bust"?

Hey I'm no Hfboards member that just whines and whines all day. This is one of the few times all season where ive said, look, the team isn't doing well and the outlook isn't looking great. 

 

People have been saying wait to the end of the year every season but faith can go up and down over a season because you get a good look at the mettle of a team as you watch each game. 

 

Maybe in December I'll have a different outlook? I'm not set in my ways, as Brian Burke has coined as his catch phrase, show me. 

 

I was a homer fan back in the day but I try to be an analytical fan nowadays. I see a team that's going to struggle with making the playoffs if this is how they are going to compete night in and night out. Nothing wrong with that opinion, faith isn't a necessity to be a fan.

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33 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

Criticism is one thing but you're all over the map with this.  So you're losing faith with this group...that goes back about a year if you factor QH into the mix.  Premature I'd say.  Patience.  Wait until the end of the season to claim "bust"?

I hope my criticism is understood.

Winning starts from the top down and i don't like players being thrown under the bus so others can keep their jobs.

Players moved, coaches fired, President quits, owner steps right out of the picture until the kids are out of school,

I get pi$$ed that the team can outright lie over and over again and get away with it.

That they can say anything and some go along hook line and sinker even when it may be the third or fourth time.

 

From the top down, the only constant is Benning. What has changed on the team, the names on the jersey's? Same problems today as 5 years ago. Prospects that can help, draft picks that can't play, too many clause contracts only now the team is capped out.

 

249 losses so far with one season of only 33 losses so the rest is 219 losses in 354 games over 4 years and today.

 

This is not expecting a change without time, this is 6 years of building that has achieved what?

6 years while most other teams achieve a turn around in 2 or 3 by good management. They don't have to do the "Columbus or Nashville" rebuilds that took almos 20 years each. If they look at and avoid other failures, if they look at and copy other successes.

 

One other constant is that discontent breed change and discord causes urgency.

Constant sell outs do not urge change, look at TO for decades, they sold out and were horrible UNTIL they didn't sell out and then, same in Montreal and the other cash cows in Canada.

 

33 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

I have no problem defending my status as a homer fan.

I am too but I like not being lied to, being belittled by the team as being ignorant lemmings that swallow anything said.

I graduated from the hockey degree school, I have my diploma and a high school education.

 

Losing is great, but you know winning is fantastic, once the team does that and wins the last game played, then you will now what you have been missing and want more.

 

After every championship run in Canada has been followed with years of losing so the fans start getting excited about merely making the playoffs, they start seeing making the playoffs as total success, a divisional title, merely being better than 6 other teams, a outstanding accomplishment, a conference winner a block party event, a presidents cup worth a parade, a cup final loss worth jersey retirements.

 

It is a game, but it has become ingrained in Canadians from birth, it is in our DNA, our blood and bone, is that okay to say?

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It's a long season, it's only just over a quarter into it. The Canucks have been holding a playoff or wildcard spot basically since the season started. They've also done this without Roussel at all, and having Ferland, Sutter, Motte and  Beagle injured. Yet, they're still clinging to that playoff or wildcard spot. Things will get better, I feel they'll start winning a lot more games in the New Year, once everyone or most guys return. When this team is on, they're very tough to beat. They better turn it on in the second half though, if they want to see playoffs.  

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3 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

It's a long season, it's only just over a quarter into it. The Canucks have been holding a playoff or wildcard spot basically since the season started. They've also done this without Roussel at all, and having Ferland, Sutter, Motte and  Beagle injured. Yet, they're still clinging to that playoff or wildcard spot. Things will get better, I feel they'll start winning a lot more games in the New Year, once everyone or most guys return. When this team is on, they're very tough to beat. They better turn it on in the second half though, if they want to see playoffs.  

They are 4 points better than last year.

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1 hour ago, Alflives said:

So very true.  Even so, wouldn’t it actually be ideal for us to get a top 10 pick in 2020, and then make the playoffs is spring 2021?

Maybe we should be rolling out the tank?  :lol:

Thats why some people question the Miller deal....   of course he is having the season of his career....

 

But for the Canucks should we have kept the tank going one more year........ ????  

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5 hours ago, Virtanen#18 said:

Just a thought... maybe it's time for Green to try something drastic like putting Eriksson on Petersson's line!! We need to see if Eriksson can still score goals and Petey should boost his confidence! Eriksson is pretty responsible defensively so I don't think he can really be a liability to Petey. If Eriksson really falls flat on his face... then we can finally write him off once and for all!!

 

Green gotta think outside the box man... it's not like whoever the 3rd body is to Petey & Boeser is lights out right now... 

 

 

Yeah no. LE doesnt deserve any ice time.

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