ShawnAntoski Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 What is it with this team blowing leads in the third: is it coaching, the players or both ? Would like to here some opinion on this matter for those willing to participate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheNewGM Posted December 8, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 8, 2019 (edited) all I know is .. wearing those retro jerseys makes everything okay.. Gonna cry next game with the stupid whale again. Edited December 8, 2019 by TheNewGM 1 4 6 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktcy2 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 I think it has to do with mentality but then again if it’s that simply explained then it wouldn’t be that difficult to defend it. Probably a combination of mentality of the leading team + the other team stepping it up knowing they are down. It’s really not something that can be explained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where's Wellwood Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/murphys-mailbag-canucks-play-different-holding-lead/ An article by Dan Murphy. TLDR; our shot attempts against goes way up when playing with a 1 goal lead. We're at least league average otherwise 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BrockBoester Posted December 8, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 8, 2019 Young team gaining chemistry and working out the kinks Don't worry, the leaks will be plugged come playoff time 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 It's a young team. Horvat and Skinner were the most experienced top 6 vets on either side. Both teams played really wild and unintelligent. Yeah. Staying ahead of the other team will make us a top team, but that's the game. Hopefully they figure out the contrast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dats hockey Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 hour ago, BrockBoester said: Young team gaining chemistry and working out the kinks Don't worry, the leaks will be plugged come playoff time We honestly aren’t that young Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dats hockey Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gawdzukes said: It's a young team. Horvat and Skinner were the most experienced top 6 vets on either side. Both teams played really wild and unintelligent. Yeah. Staying ahead of the other team will make us a top team, but that's the game. Hopefully they figure out the contrast. We don’t normally defend leads with our top 6, but horvat beagle sutter(when healthy) ferlund schaller eriksson Edler benn tanev Miller Pearson stetcher motte virtanen Myers roussel we ain’t that young Edited December 8, 2019 by Dats hockey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Dats hockey said: We don’t normally defend leads with our top 6, but horvat beagle sutter(when healthy) ferlund schaller eriksson Edler benn tanev Miller Pearson stetcher motte virtanen Myers roussel we ain’t that young An average age of 26.5 is decently young for today’s NHL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 i didn't watch the game today.. but in general when we have a lead.. green will sit back and try to turtle the lead... doesn't matter if we are having a great game or not.. he just sits player in the 3rd and watch the team gets peppered with shots.. at least that's the case with most of our leads that turns into a lost or blown lead.. not sure about todays game as i didn't watch it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 To be fair all the teams around the league have been leaky this season, there's far more offence and far more comebacks than ever before. That being said we play scared with the lead, can't get the puck out of our own zone and that has to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 We were doing a little better when we were healthy but yeah it is a cause for concern. Is it just me or do we play better when we're down? Some guys just got back and were settling back last game and we're missing a few more. Hopefully once we're fully healthy and fully settled down we are better in that regard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-23 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 (edited) All teams blow leads, it’s just part of the game. However, you would think that our guys would learn their lesson, especially after the Washington and Pittsburg games. Show a little more push in the 3rd rather than just sitting back. Its frustrating but I think come Playoff time, we will close games the right way. Well, I hope at least. Edited December 8, 2019 by J-23 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dats hockey Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Pears said: An average age of 26.5 is decently young for today’s NHL. Well today’s game is younger than years past. Also I’d like to know our average played season because I feel like we have enough experience on this team to not say ohh their young Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drive-By Body Pierce Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Who's "third period leads"? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 4 hours ago, Dats hockey said: We honestly aren’t that young Look at the Centre position. Last week it was Pettey, Gaudette, Bo and Erikkson. 2 second year players, a fifth year player (I think), and a failed UFA winger. Damn important position when playing with a lead. This team is also playing a wide open brand of hockey, this will lead to a lot of exciting games which tends to include some blown leads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post -DLC- Posted December 8, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 8, 2019 Blowing a lead should be a final determination, not a midway through a game panic. There are back and forths in games as the lead will change hands. All teams will "blow leads" at times but don't just attribute it to them.....the other team is part of the scenario. Especially when a team is down a couple of goals...they're going to take more risks and play differently moreso than we are. It may look like "sitting back" when, in fact, it's just the other team coming on and playing more aggressively and in desperation. The point is to get points and whatever the story within the game is - that's what determines if we're in trouble or not. If we still manage to win those games they've adjusted in order to do so. Yes, it's a topic in the media...they look for things to talk about because that's their job. Here's something to consider: First period goals for: 32 (the complaint not long ago was that we come out flat...so they obviously adjusted that but we're still not happy?) - 6th overall in the league Goals against in the first: 23 +9 Goals for second period: 35 (hmmm) Goals against second: 28 +7 Goals for third period: 32 Goals against third period: 36 -4 What I see is that they addressed the slow starts...but no one cares about that anymore as it's ignored (because they've fixed it). No credit, no consideration of that. Maybe they ARE adjusting things and have a strategy that was to meet the slow starts out of the gates and getting behind. Now they jump out with a lead but they're supposed to just run with it...no turning back. The other team can never get back in it? Do you think maybe they wear down a bit? That they're not robots and establishing those big leads takes a toll? They'll work out the kinks but give it time for crying out loud. They DID address the slow first period/starts and will have to figure out a way to sustain that energy but let's allow for that? Without always abandoning ship or assigning a negative label because we strive for....perfection? We might not be a "young team" by some standards but we're definitely a "young core". We're sitting just above middle of the pack in the league and many predicted we'd be closer to the bottom. The same people now screaming about blowing leads because we should just win all the games in convincing fashion. The other teams are good...they don't just roll over and die. This isn't only the Canucks "blowing leads" but about other teams "coming from behind" to try to stay in games. We can't take all the credit here...two teams are involved and "responsible" for goals. Personally, I don't parrot the media...just because they declare "a problem" I don't. I'm sure the coaches are aware of things but you can't just throw everything at the young players in a "do that" way. They come out hard now in the first and establish leads...that counts for something (too). They do have to work on sustaining that throughout 60 minutes so that's next. We're not even halfway through the season...relax. The focus isn't to win the games in jaw dropping fashion...it's to win, period. To generate enough points to get into the playoffs., then having something left for that. Everything is reset at that point and it's also a survival of the fittest to get there. Maybe they do go into conservation mode....maybe they learned from last year that players won't have enough left in the tank FOR playoffs if they deplete everything. Remember Petey? So they are learning lessons along the way and if they kill it every game, no turning back how long can they keep up that pace? It's a long season and playoffs is the goal. 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 We have one of the youngest cores in the league right now - with Miller and Horvat the elder statesman. To say we aren't young is ridiculous - even in today's NHL. Go look at the teams the past ten years that make the final 4 - one thing in common is the majority of their core is almost always 25-32. Right now we have two guys in that range - and right at the low end of it. The Cap era has more to do with the teams getting younger then anything. Although it did shift last UFA cycle with older players agreeing to play one year contracts for similar money as rookies/league minimum guys so maybe the trend will revert a little (check out how many one year contracts were given out to serviceable vets). As far as the OP - we will have some growing pains and part of that is blown leads. HOWEVER, I'm so grateful the coach allows them to make the mistakes and play a game that often allows us to score five or more goals in the first place. Offense was so hard to find for this team since 2012ish - some years just brutal. We won't get it both ways for quite a while yet (5-1 games) - we don't have the horses for it defensively OR the goalies for it yet (not without improvement). Whenever the team tried to protect a lead it looks like the other teams on a PP and they shrink into a five on five box - would rather he just let's them play like the team that scored in the first place - that said some games we aren't the better team but winning anyways so .... just let them get a year or two older - it will mostly iron the kinks out organically - and have to say when we have a full lineup this team doesn't blow leads as often, we win more games and the ones we lose often deserve to win too...patience. In the meantime maybe invest in Beer or Alca Seltzer. Or both. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlinkas wrister Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 They may not be the youngest team in the league but they are still a group that is new to success. Learning to win is a step in the process, expecting to win is the goal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 As long as we don’t give up the first goal we are fine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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