Alflives Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 13 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said: The Detroit team looks god awful on paper this year, after their first line its is essentially all plugs. Dennis Cholowski is a -21 in 28 games, Filppula is -27, and Athanasiou is -33 this year. For some sick reason I love seeing other teams suck socks. And weren't the Wings supposed to have this superstar player in Dillon Larkin? Ha Ha Ha! Suck socks losers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) 40 minutes ago, the grinder said: lol 75.000 is nothing for cap relief that we need , and the canucks are still paying loui so again getting bowey isn't free , spin it any way you want we cannot afford bowey until a trade is made , which again is going to cost a prospect , a pick or a good roster player for a waiver wire pick up , biega was traded because we couldn't afford him as a 7th dmen hence fantenberg making league minimum as our 7th dmen , You are literally factually absolutely just wrong. There are no negative cap implications to picking up Bowey, it is just not true any way you spin it. I already explained it as fully as any person could possibly do. The only move we would have to make is a roster spot move to waive a forward... and we have the ability to do that easily. NO TRADES HAVE TO BE MADE TO FIT A GUY MAKING A MILLION DOLLARS! Biega was not traded because we couldn't afford him. He had already been waived and was costing zero on the cap. ZERO, nothing, nada. Benning even said he traded him to give him an opportunity. We actually took back a useless contract in order to be respectful and good to Biega who had been a great guy in our organization. The only even remote implication I already explained... if we ever become fully healthy we may have too many bodies and have to waive some guys. In that case you have seen Bowey for a while and can decide if he is better to keep than a guy like Schaller... if not then you waive Bowey. Even in that situation, you save money by keeping Bowey over Schaller... every possible situation equals Bowey being neutral (waived) or saving cap room rather than costing it. You are just completely missing the fact that Bowey is making less than what can be buried in the minors and anyone making more than him who is sent to the minors for that roster spot is going to save MORE than his salary. Edited December 9, 2019 by Provost 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Could see Winnipeg picking him up. Didn't he play pretty well work Morrissey at the WJHC? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Could see Winnipeg picking him up. Didn't he play pretty well work Morrissey at the WJHC? I will be curious to see how many teams put in a claim for Bowey? Could it be as many as 5 or more? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, Alflives said: I will be curious to see how many teams put in a claim for Bowey? Could it be as many as 5 or more? Probably zero. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, Provost said: You are literally factually absolutely just wrong. There are no negative cap implications to picking up Bowey, it is just not true any way you spin it. I already explained it as fully as any person could possibly do. The only move we would have to make is a roster spot move to waive a forward... and we have the ability to do that easily. NO TRADES HAVE TO BE MADE TO FIT A GUY MAKING A MILLION DOLLARS! Biega was not traded because we couldn't afford him. He had already been waived and was costing zero on the cap. ZERO, nothing, nada. Benning even said he traded him to give him an opportunity. We actually took back a useless contract in order to be respectful and good to Biega who had been a great guy in our organization. The only even remote implication I already explained... if we ever become fully healthy we may have too many bodies and have to waive some guys. In that case you have seen Bowey for a while and can decide if he is better to keep than a guy like Schaller... if not then you waive Bowey. Even in that situation, you save money by keeping Bowey over Schaller... every possible situation equals Bowey being neutral (waived) or saving cap room rather than costing it. You are just completely missing the fact that Bowey is making less than what can be buried in the minors and anyone making more than him who is sent to the minors for that roster is going to save MORE than his salary. Except Detroit would just claim him back and put him in the minors... So get over it we're not claiming this dud. He can't even stick with a BRUTAL Red Wings roster.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, canuck73_3 said: Except Detroit would just claim him back and put him in the minors... So get over it we're not claiming this dud. He can't even stick with a BRUTAL Red Wings roster.... Yes... Detroit possibly claims him back... which means no negative implication to us at all if it doesn't work out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, Provost said: Yes... Detroit possibly claims him back... which means no negative implication to us at all if it doesn't work out. Except he's not good enough and it's a complete waste of time and a roster spot. Pass. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, RonMexico said: Probably zero. Ottawa, Jersey, Habs, Leafs, Jets? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 I'm interested a bit? Warhippy says he is a quality guy, so I can't say maybe this is like a Kassian move; and the guy just needs a change to remind him his career is in jeopardy. And yet given a choice between a young guy who may put it all together or a player such as Schaller or Fantenberg I'm tempted. I'd be talking to my pro scouts and thinking about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 We saw the same thing with Nic Petan a few weeks ago. Top prospect gets exposed on waivers....everyone passes on him. Clears and gets recalled not long after. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 15 minutes ago, gurn said: I'm interested a bit? Warhippy says he is a quality guy, so I can't say maybe this is like a Kassian move; and the guy just needs a change to remind him his career is in jeopardy. And yet given a choice between a young guy who may put it all together or a player such as Schaller or Fantenberg I'm tempted. I'd be talking to my pro scouts and thinking about it. That is pretty much the decision. It has nothing to do with cap implications and only about what specific bodies are on your 23 (or 22) man roster. The short term decision would be whether Bowey is better to have than Eriksson. Pretty easy decision in my mind who I would rather have. The longer term decision is exactly what you suggest, the other bottom end roster players Schaller or Fantenberg... except that decision may never have to happen as it would necessitate us being fully healthy without anyone on LTIR. If anyone has been following the team for the last decade or so, they know that is quite possibly never going to happen. IF that decision ever has to be made, we still have the ability to ditch Bowey instead of Schaller if we don't like what we have seen to that point. I would argue that Fantenberg has looked fine and we are better off dropping forward, we have carried 8D for years because of how often our players have gotten hurt and how difficult it is to get an extra body here from our farm team in the case of a last minute illness or injury. Today is a perfect example. Edler is not back for next game, and Benn is now ill and a question mark to be re-evaluated later... which uses up our 7th guy Chatfield already. If anyone else gets sick or can't suit up for any reason on short notice, we have to start the game with 5 D and pray no one gets dinged up during the game. Compare that with the same situation on forward and it is really easy to cover the 4-8 minutes of that 12th forward. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostsOf1994 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Alflives said: For some sick reason I love seeing other teams suck socks. And weren't the Wings supposed to have this superstar player in Dillon Larkin? Ha Ha Ha! Suck socks losers. Been waiting to share this with ya! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 5 hours ago, RonMexico said: I don't agree. Guy is a dud in the NHL based on what he was supposed to be capable of. Young, right side D. He's far from a finished product. I would be absolutely shocked if he made it through waivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Alflives said: For some sick reason I love seeing other teams suck socks. And weren't the Wings supposed to have this superstar player in Dillon Larkin? Ha Ha Ha! Suck socks losers. Looks good on the Wings Alf. The Wings were getting a lot of accolades leading up to this year for their quick, up and coming re-build. Fact is the re-build is a tough go and it takes time. JB has done well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Apparently Clint is making a romantic movie about his last contract negotiation: The Bridge Of Madison Bowey(will be a tear-jerker) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the grinder Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Provost said: You are literally factually absolutely just wrong. There are no negative cap implications to picking up Bowey, it is just not true any way you spin it. I already explained it as fully as any person could possibly do. The only move we would have to make is a roster spot move to waive a forward... and we have the ability to do that easily. NO TRADES HAVE TO BE MADE TO FIT A GUY MAKING A MILLION DOLLARS! Biega was not traded because we couldn't afford him. He had already been waived and was costing zero on the cap. ZERO, nothing, nada. Benning even said he traded him to give him an opportunity. We actually took back a useless contract in order to be respectful and good to Biega who had been a great guy in our organization. The only even remote implication I already explained... if we ever become fully healthy we may have too many bodies and have to waive some guys. In that case you have seen Bowey for a while and can decide if he is better to keep than a guy like Schaller... if not then you waive Bowey. Even in that situation, you save money by keeping Bowey over Schaller... every possible situation equals Bowey being neutral (waived) or saving cap room rather than costing it. You are just completely missing the fact that Bowey is making less than what can be buried in the minors and anyone making more than him who is sent to the minors for that roster spot is going to save MORE than his salary. lol im wrong we are already in cap hell as it sits right now and you think picking up some scrub from the scrap heap is going to make it better ??? seriously then your way to solve the problem in getting bowey is to bury loui in the minors, that's not free lol , we already have to waive guys when we get healthy and you want to throw an extra body on that , and I am wrong lol jim benning must be stupid then not running to scoop up bowey all that to save 75,000 of cap space and spend a extra million in salary that makes no business sense what so ever , what is 75,000 in cap going to do for us ?absolutely nothing , we need millions in cap space not chump change , you do have a boner for bowey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 21 minutes ago, the grinder said: lol im wrong we are already in cap hell as it sits right now and you think picking up some scrub from the scrap heap is going to make it better ??? seriously then your way to solve the problem in getting bowey is to bury loui in the minors, that's not free lol , we already have to waive guys when we get healthy and you want to throw an extra body on that , and I am wrong lol jim benning must be stupid then not running to scoop up bowey all that to save 75,000 of cap space and spend a extra million in salary that makes no business sense what so ever , what is 75,000 in cap going to do for us ?absolutely nothing , we need millions in cap space not chump change , you do have a boner for bowey We are not in cap hell at all. I would suggest that you go out and play with an armchair GM program. Any iteration of a healthy 23 man roster leaves us under the cap, regardless of who we have to bury to get down to that mandated roster. Don’t conflate actual dollars with cap space, it seems to confuse you and you are all over the map. This is all math, not opinion. Do the actual math rather than spouting off. The stuff you are saying about a Bowey making our cap worse is literally mathematically impossible, so yes you are wrong. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the grinder Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Provost said: We are not in cap hell at all. I would suggest that you go out and play with an armchair GM program. Any iteration of a healthy 23 man roster leaves us under the cap, regardless of who we have to bury to get down to that mandated roster. Don’t conflate actual dollars with cap space, it seems to confuse you and you are all over the map. This is all math, not opinion. Do the actual math rather than spouting off. The stuff you are saying about a Bowey making our cap worse is literally mathematically impossible, so yes you are wrong. yes we will be when players come back there is nothing wrong with my math bowey 1,000,000 loui sent down 1.075000 save 75,000 in cap so spend a million in cash on bowey to gain 75,000 in cap yet you still have to pay loui his money regardless so that is paying a million to gain 75,000 in cap space so perhaps you should do the math before spouting off , , I know the difference between cap and actual dollars and your spending actual dollars to gain measly cap space 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 7 hours ago, Sean Monahan said: It wasn’t that long ago CDC would’ve creamed its collective pants to see Bowey available for free. I imagine there are those creaming their pants seeing the opportunity to take him now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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