In The Cap World With A Cap Problem.

[erkayloomeh]

If a player (like Lou Eriksson for ex.) Gets injured in a fight in practice, can he go on LTIR saving us cap? 

If so , QH I have a job for you . 

[The_Rocket]

Only way this team runs into cap problems is if they want to make a serious add in free agency in the next two years (ie Barrie at 8 million or something). Even if that happens, there are still ways of staying under. Don’t worry about the cap, it’s fine

[higgyfan]

I don't worry about such things.  Lots of other teams are struggling with salary cap.  Besides, a problem only rises when the entire team is healthy.  What's the chance of that?

[Provost]

Basically any iteration of a healthy 23 man roster with extra guys partially buried leaves us with cap space.

 

No emergency at all.  The only worry is trying to keep well under the cap so we don’t have to push ELC bonuses into next year and cost us cap space next season.

[theo5789]

2 hours ago, ItTakesAnArmy said:

It isn't whether or not they are under the cap now, it has to do with what else they can do, which is nothing.

They cannot trade for a player without getting rid of cap space.

They cannot trade cap space for an draft pick, if anything they might trade another draft pick to create cap space.

 

As far as next year they will have almost 10 mil in reduced cap due to buy outs, claw backs and bonuses, 10 million less

And they will have only 13 players signed. That would include both Sven and Eriksson as signed.

 

Why do we need to trade for players exactly? Why would we be taking on more cap in a trade too? Unless you're thinking we should trade prospects and picks for players, which I'm sure you'd also complain about if Benning did. As of right now, we don't need to do anything else, which is why we don't need to worry about it. There isn't going to be a deal out there where we wish we could've done had we had more cap space.

 

You're forgetting that the cap can and most likely will increase. This is an unknown as to how much, but generally will go up.

 

We have a projected 14 million in cap space next season without the unknown cap increase. 14/21 players signed. We have to make some decisions on who to keep and let walk away, but it should be workable with the depth we have that can slot in. I imagine we work on moving Sutter even at a low return and may have to retain (say 50% retention would still net us about 1.5 million as we would have to add a cheap depth player as well). Sign Marky for 6, Jake for 2.5, Gaudette bridged at 2.5, Motte at 1.5, possibly Tryamkin at 2.5 plus cheap depth at about 2.7 million total. That brings us up to 17.7 million added for next season which doesn't seem out of reach with the cap going up. Would need to worry about bonus carry-over, but at that point, we look at the trade market to unload a year of Baertschi or move on from Pearson at higher value and possibly give someone like Hoglander or Lind a good look at making the roster.

 

After next season, things open up even more with Baertschi and Sutter off the books (if we haven't moved on from them already or bought out Sven to open up even more space). We could be adding a Podkolzin at this point on an ELC that could potentially boost our top 6 and provide more cap savings. There the expansion draft that could take off some more cap space here as well.

 

Then the following season LE will be off the books (again if not removed already at this point) and that's 6 million + cap increases to help pay for some extensions.

 

We are just fine cap-wise and Benning and crew seem to have it all figured out. Benning was the one that suggested we didn't have as much cap space as it seemed when we had like 20+ million in cap space. They are cognizant of the situation and have planned accordingly. The Luongo recapture was planned for as well in that if it hadn't occurred, then we either would've added another player or signed a higher end player instead of Ferland at the time.

Edited December 9, 2019 by theo5789

[theo5789]

2 hours ago, ItTakesAnArmy said:

Right now the Canucks have over 12 mil off the books with injured players. Edler, Sutter, Motte and Graovac, with the additional 6+mil cap hit for Luongo, Spooner and Baerstchi

Even at the start of the season they were millions over but had Roussel off the books and the way the cap works the longer off the more they can adjust the dollars.

 

Who goes when Edler and Sutter come back? Even if they sent Eriksson down they still get a 5 mil cap hit.

 

This team's cap situation may be the worst in the league right now. They are so capped out and have too many contracts.

 

Benning cannot trade for players, there is no room.

ONE of the only ways he can make space is to trade Eriksson but other teams will want a top draft pick added, Eriksson is now that bad contract traded from team to team with draft picks added.

How ele wil he conjure up cap space? Already the team has compromised a prospect, Gaudette. He will not pass through waivers now.

 

Benning will have to trade away roster players for picks or AHL players.

 

Maybe if he trades Markstorm maybe he can get a pick to add to an Eriksson trade and take 10 mil off the cap, that still would not free up enough for trades but then he would not have to lose players for free.

 

 

 

How is it compromising a prospect when he has earned it? All this does is continue to allow the cream to rise to the top and likely pushes LE further down to waiver fodder which is what most have been wanting. Benning has stated he would like to not have to make cap dump moves that require him giving up assets to do so, so not sure why you seem hellbent that it's going to happen and it being the only way it can happen.

 

It seems like you're panicking over nothing and grasping at any straws to continue your tirade against Benning.

[Gurn]

2 hours ago, ItTakesAnArmy said:

Already the team has compromised a prospect, Gaudette. He will not pass through waivers now.

Is he still a prospect or is he an NHL player?

[theo5789]

7 minutes ago, gurn said:

Is he still a prospect or is he an NHL player?

Well he's an NHL player now.

[canuktravella]

4 minutes ago, theo5789 said:

Well he's an NHL player now.

gaudette is great in nhl   gotta love 5th round hobey baker winners 

[goalie13]

45 minutes ago, gurn said:

Is he still a prospect or is he an NHL player?

I believe he just hit the magic number for age & games played to no longer be waiver exempt.

[Gurn]

1 minute ago, goalie13 said:

I believe he just hit the magic number for age & games played to no longer be waiver exempt.

Yep, saw that earlier; I was just saying imo the guy is an NHL player and no longer a prospect thus he is not "compromised" as a poster was alleging.

[BrockBoester]

This just seems like a veiled trade Markstrom thread.

 

I don't like it. :D

 

 

[JM_]

1 hour ago, Provost said:

Basically any iteration of a healthy 23 man roster with extra guys partially buried leaves us with cap space.

 

No emergency at all.  The only worry is trying to keep well under the cap so we don’t have to push ELC bonuses into next year and cost us cap space next season.

is that possible? not sure we can be well under anymore. I wonder if they were banking a bit on Bear being picked off waivers for that. 

[JeremyCuddles]

This team's cap is not the worst in the league. That's Toronto. Not only is our cap situation fine, but we also have a bottom 6 that isn't trash like their bottom 6 is. They can't ice a complete team. On top of that they had like one spare player before Johnsson got injured and they were lucky enough to call up some extra bodies. At no point were we stuck with just one spare body cause of the cap. 

[IBatch]

2 hours ago, ItTakesAnArmy said:

It isn't whether or not they are under the cap now, it has to do with what else they can do, which is nothing.

They cannot trade for a player without getting rid of cap space.

They cannot trade cap space for an draft pick, if anything they might trade another draft pick to create cap space.

 

As far as next year they will have almost 10 mil in reduced cap due to buy outs, claw backs and bonuses, 10 million less

And they will have only 13 players signed. That would include both Sven and Eriksson as signed.

 

We've not seen eye to eye in some things in the past but this is one thing I'm in agreement with (except that we are one of the worst cap teams - that designation goes to the Laffs, SJ, Dallas and a few other teams).   Yes JB is going to have to be creative as both EP and Hughes have to be signed before LE and Luongo are off the books ... which means we won't have the space to re-sign some guys and will have to rely on rookies and AHLers to fill in for Pearson, Roussel, Schaller etc.   Recently I proposed we trade JM - part of that is I think it's a mistake to sign him long term - not because he's not a decent goaltender because he is - but because why get stuck with his cap hit when we need it elsewhere and Demko  is already better then he was a year ago.  And the ED.   Yes he's great with the club and an ok goalie....but he's not top ten (which is better) - and trading him for even a Lack like return is better then nothing and trading Demko seems like a bad idea.   What's he going to do - back up JM until he's 30?  Just dumb.  Pick one and trade the other.  

 

The bright side is it will force JB to work with less to do more (or whomever is our GM then) as far as LE and Luongo go - 9 million will be awfully handy in 2.7 years.

 

With who we have in the pipe it should be fine (and the core getting more seasoned too).  But given our long term cap - and who we have - it makes zero sense to keep both goalies IMO, Nilsson and Mckenna both did great since they left - find another one of those and get them to back-up either Demko or JM.

[Phat Fingers]

4 hours ago, MattJVD said:

Edler, Motte, and Graovac are not off the books, just off the roster. Their cap hit is still applied. 

 

With all our injured players back, (meaning 16 forwards, 8 D, 2 golies). We'd be at an 82,798,206 cap hit, over the cap by $1,298,206. (Including our buyout, recapture penalty, and burried players). We would be 3 players over the roster limit with all of those players back, so 3 would have to be sent down. Sending down the cheapest 3 players would net us $2,315,000 in cap space, making us cap and roster compliant with over 1 mil in cap space.

Does this post end the thread... Math usually has only one correct answer, and you are correct sir.  

 

This is unless the CDC decides two plus two equals potatoes or whatever today.  

[Chris12345]

In a post prohibition world we have a problem. It's Monday and I am drinking Old Mill.

 

 

[Phat Fingers]

38 minutes ago, Chris12345 said:

In a post prohibition world we have a problem. It's Monday and I am drinking Old Mill.

 

 

Post Prohibition means something different to me, having some great High Seas Sativa!!  

[CptCanuck16]

5 hours ago, Alflives said:

Serious improvement for sure.  That's more than just the Quinn Hughes factor, and other young core guys maturing too.  We have depth now of actual NHL caliber players coming in when injuries happen.  

Oh absolutely. The team this year is light years better than the team last year. Always room for more improvement though!

[IBatch]

4 hours ago, theo5789 said:

Why do we need to trade for players exactly? Why would we be taking on more cap in a trade too? Unless you're thinking we should trade prospects and picks for players, which I'm sure you'd also complain about if Benning did. As of right now, we don't need to do anything else, which is why we don't need to worry about it. There isn't going to be a deal out there where we wish we could've done had we had more cap space.

 

You're forgetting that the cap can and most likely will increase. This is an unknown as to how much, but generally will go up.

 

We have a projected 14 million in cap space next season without the unknown cap increase. 14/21 players signed. We have to make some decisions on who to keep and let walk away, but it should be workable with the depth we have that can slot in. I imagine we work on moving Sutter even at a low return and may have to retain (say 50% retention would still net us about 1.5 million as we would have to add a cheap depth player as well). Sign Marky for 6, Jake for 2.5, Gaudette bridged at 2.5, Motte at 1.5, possibly Tryamkin at 2.5 plus cheap depth at about 2.7 million total. That brings us up to 17.7 million added for next season which doesn't seem out of reach with the cap going up. Would need to worry about bonus carry-over, but at that point, we look at the trade market to unload a year of Baertschi or move on from Pearson at higher value and possibly give someone like Hoglander or Lind a good look at making the roster.

 

After next season, things open up even more with Baertschi and Sutter off the books (if we haven't moved on from them already or bought out Sven to open up even more space). We could be adding a Podkolzin at this point on an ELC that could potentially boost our top 6 and provide more cap savings. There the expansion draft that could take off some more cap space here as well.

 

Then the following season LE will be off the books (again if not removed already at this point) and that's 6 million + cap increases to help pay for some extensions.

 

We are just fine cap-wise and Benning and crew seem to have it all figured out. Benning was the one that suggested we didn't have as much cap space as it seemed when we had like 20+ million in cap space. They are cognizant of the situation and have planned accordingly. The Luongo recapture was planned for as well in that if it hadn't occurred, then we either would've added another player or signed a higher end player instead of Ferland at the time.

This is all true - but at the end of next year we also need to sign EP and then Hughes ... that's going to eat up some serious coin, even if they both get bridged which is possible - but probably not wise.  Don't see a plan in there for that - and it also happens to be why I think we should be seriously thinking about letting Markstrom walk (if we are in the playoffs at the TDL) and looking for a serviceable cheap vet to work with Demko.