Baer. Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 minute ago, falcon45ca said: Poor decisions do not necessarily mean the guy is a racist The man may not be a racist but his actions certainly were. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Baer. said: The man may not be a racist but his actions certainly were. thats an important distinction, and one where a little education can help. If you know full well that its wrong and you still do it, well then yeah, you're a racist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the grinder Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Squamfan said: BS . if you think something is wrong you call out right away. thee fact he took a picture say he was enjoying the moment. what would you do in 1 vs 100 situation I doubt anyone would speak up why because you are simply out numbered . your in a no win situation you speak up well your not a team player , there goes your chance to play in the nhl remember there was management at the party and it is the trainer dressed in black face , what is a 20 yo kid going to say when your dream is to play in the nhl , he had no choice but to swallow his pride and go along with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 hour ago, HerrDrFunk said: @Tortorella's Rant Sure, laugh. Why don't you go ahead and tell me about all your experiences being the only black guy in an otherwise all white group? I’m kind of surprised that not one of those at the party goers understood the depth of the racism in that whole episode, and stopped it before it happened. It wasn’t for the victim to speak up (he was in shock) but another person there should have said the idea was incredibly ignorant. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the grinder Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Tortorella's Rant said: Absolutely. When does some of the responsibility fall on the individual? If nobody ever stands up for themselves then they're going to keep getting pushed around and this sort of thing keeps happening. If I come over to your place or business or your home with my friends and make you feel like garbage, are you going to sit there and take it? No, obviously not. At least I'd hope not. So what the hell is the difference here aside from the fact he's black. Quit making excuses. so are you going to speak up if you were the only 20 yo white guy vs 100 "black " teammates , management and others that hold your future in their hands . your not saying a word guaranteed . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 22 minutes ago, Baer. said: The man may not be a racist but his actions certainly were. And those other party people are complicit in the racism for not speaking up. His bloody teammates were there! They couldn’t all be that friggin’ Ignorant could they? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrDrFunk Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Alflives said: I’m kind of surprised that not one of those at the party goers understood the depth of the racism in that whole episode, and stopped it before it happened. It wasn’t for the victim to speak up (he was in shock) but another person there should have said the idea was incredibly ignorant. Spot on, Alf. It's pretty damning that none of the people involved called out how uncool of a "joke" this was. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GB5 Posted December 12, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2019 This blackface stuff is very bizarre behavior. I mean, who does this kind of thing? Maybe I grew up in a bubble or something but I have never seen this first hand nor seen anyone actually do it. It's really weird. 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Just now, HerrDrFunk said: Spot on, Alf. It's pretty damning that none of the people involved called out how uncool of a "joke" this was. I was watching a touch football game many years ago, and one team had the Confederate flag they were flashing around. There were some black players from other teams who talked to the team with the flag about its negative symbolism. The flag was taken down, with many apologies. It was really cool to see people talking and listening and learning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Just now, GarthButcher5 said: This blackface stuff is very bizarre behavior. I mean, who does this kind of thing? Maybe I grew up in a bubble or something but I have never seen this first hand nor seen anyone actually do it. It's really weird. Black face was part of comedy a century ago. It is not funny. It’s ignorant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Squamfan said: but this is totally fine The dude took a picture with him!!!!!!!!! again he was a plug but is blaming other people for his failed career. I don't think either is fine. Didn't exactly look impressed in that picture either. I guess it is his fault for being the bigger person here. Peter's opened himself up to questions on whether he treated Aiiu fairly by you now being overtly racist towards him. Makes it reasonable to question whether his sending a promising prospect to a lower league had another motivation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Alflives said: Black face was part of comedy a century ago. It is not funny. It’s ignorant. I think part of the problem in understanding here is that this was a uniquely American racist trope that only leaked up into Canada a little. Canadian's often don't have a great perspective on what may or may not be considered racist in the US because we haven't had the degree of institutional racism that they have and still do. Not saying we have none, we certainly have some and its voice has been growing. I remember when I was about 15, I spent a summer in the Chicago area and I did not have any perspective on some of the more benign statements that could be considered racist. I remember asking a group of guys of various races "what are you boys up to today?" and one of the guys having to explain to another that I didn't understand that it could be considered racist, I didn't have the context of someone who grew up in that environment. Awareness is much greater now. That being said you still see racism in pro hockey. Wasn't that long ago that bananas were getting thrown on the ice and it is not unusual to still here some racist comments towards black players and other players of colour. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Hopefully this is a case of ignorance as opposed to straight up hatred. I too have never seen blackface until i think it was Raffi Torres for some costume party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Tortorella's Rant said: Tell me more about how this doesn't make him look like an opportunist drama queen when he's whining about it 8 years after the fact. Maybe he got bored and wanted the attention. Seriously. Whatever happened to standing up for ones self. You can be black and do this too. Or gay. Or transgender. Or literally anybody. People are such passive cowards it's unbelievable. Instead of confrontation, they'll sit there like a potted plant and feel like complete garbage. what cultural wars were you fighting at 21? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=89808 wow not trying to blame the victim here but Aliu played for 3 teams in one season 6 times in 8 years. is that a fluke or is there more reason for so much movement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Why is he taking pics with the dude? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toni Zamboni Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) nm Edited December 13, 2019 by Toni Zamboni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon45ca Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Alflives said: Black face was part of comedy a century ago. It is not funny. It’s ignorant. It was pretty funny when this guy did it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rounoush Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, falcon45ca said: It was pretty funny when this guy did it Bingo. People getting offended by black face is hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 There was an interview with Anson Carter regarding this incident.... he mentioned one part about Akim Aliu asking if Anson can "help a brother out" in terms of re-igniting his hockey career. I believe Carter wasn't interested in using the race card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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