canuck2288 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 11 minutes ago, ItTakesAnArmy said: Expectations have been or are too high and the pressure on the young guys to win, too soon. The team needs more high skilled young players playing and proving in the NHL, not some "hopeful" prospects, those prospects only sell tickets, not win games. Build through the draft, hire a drafting GM, be patient, that was the refrain 4 years ago when many posters were arguing there was no rebuild happening, those poster were saying patience you can't expect over night success, it is a long process. Guess what, those same posters, a lot of them, now say the process is over after only two years of admitted rebuilding. True it can be accomplished that quickly but not by this GM who deals away the future to win now and then fails at that. Some posters point at players and coaches for the failures, wrong. Three coaches, Torts, Willie and Green. Numerous players But only one GM Clearly this GM's vision is wrong. All the young guys are feeling the pressure and it is affecting them as can be seen with Horvat's play, at home he isn't performing, where the heat is the highest. Completely disagree the roster is one that can win now We just need competent coaching pressure? Wtf it’s pro hockey not preschool deal with it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Boudrias Posted December 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 15, 2019 The finger pointing is hilarious. The maturing process every team has to go through doesn’t apply to Vancouver apparently. Making playoffs is a great goal. Last year that wasn’t realistic. This year it is. The core of this team is very young. Let them play. Quit the dramatics about Green and Benning. The last two games have been very entertaining with the glitches that should be expected. This team will be a serious cup contender within 3 years. Enjoy the process! IMHO this team is at least a year ahead of where they should be. 1 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItTakesAnArmy Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, canuck2288 said: Completely disagree the roster is one that can win now We just need competent coaching pressure? Wtf it’s pro hockey not preschool deal with it To quote an old excuse, "he can only coach what he has". Yes the team can win, not the cup, not the conference, division or even enough to make a wild card spot but more than two other teams in the division. Without Markstrom this team just doesn't have as much success. SJ is a very good team without goaltending, ditto Edmonton and many others, TO without Anderson playing but t his team just barely hangs on with Markstrom. Badly out played 5 on 5 and don't confuse hustle with winning, sure they hustle and work hard mostly not to be scored on. Green has the team playing man on man in the dzone and dmen pushing hard in the ozone, but this will come back to bite the team. How many times is Boeser playing defence instead of forward? Just about every time Hughes is on the ice. why isn't Myers scoring? Because there has to be a defenceman playing defence Twice the opposition goalie has said in a post game interview that the shots were not that hard to stop. Benning is the where the buck stops, how many more peons will he fire before he goes? For all that the excitement for this group they are a whopping 3 points better than last season and the season before and season before and Put a new cot of paint on a Volkswagon and call it a Ferrari and all it is still Volkswagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck2288 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Boudrias said: The finger pointing is hilarious. The maturing process every team has to go through doesn’t apply to Vancouver apparently. Making playoffs is a great goal. Last year that wasn’t realistic. This year it is. The core of this team is very young. Let them play. Quit the dramatics about Green and Benning. The last two games have been very entertaining with the glitches that should be expected. This team will be a serious cup contender within 3 years. Enjoy the process! IMHO this team is at least a year ahead of where they should be. Enjoy the process? you good with them coming out flat and unprepared for the Sharks? Yet another flat effort against what will be a non playoff team you will never be a winner, in anything, if you accept mediocrity so let’s cut the “enjoy the process” bs Edited December 15, 2019 by canuck2288 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck2288 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ItTakesAnArmy said: To quote an old excuse, "he can only coach what he has". Yes the team can win, not the cup, not the conference, division or even enough to make a wild card spot but more than two other teams in the division. Without Markstrom this team just doesn't have as much success. SJ is a very good team without goaltending, ditto Edmonton and many others, TO without Anderson playing but t his team just barely hangs on with Markstrom. Badly out played 5 on 5 and don't confuse hustle with winning, sure they hustle and work hard mostly not to be scored on. Green has the team playing man on man in the dzone and dmen pushing hard in the ozone, but this will come back to bite the team. How many times is Boeser playing defence instead of forward? Just about every time Hughes is on the ice. why isn't Myers scoring? Because there has to be a defenceman playing defence Twice the opposition goalie has said in a post game interview that the shots were not that hard to stop. Benning is the where the buck stops, how many more peons will he fire before he goes? For all that the excitement for this group they are a whopping 3 points better than last season and the season before and season before and Put a new cot of paint on a Volkswagon and call it a Ferrari and all it is still Volkswagon. There is a cap, you do realize that right? our d zone coverage and breakouts are at a below pewee level of coaching our penalty killing is terrible. Box out and pray we block the shooting lanes our dump and chase strategy does not match the makeup and size of the team guess what? All coaching issues Edited December 15, 2019 by canuck2288 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 6 hours ago, ShawnAntoski said: Of course, but I guess, we will see if this market will allow that (big difference between Van and Nashville) ??? The market shouldn't force rash decisions. This market is passionate, but isn't always right. We have seen this time and time again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 6 hours ago, ShawnAntoski said: They are scoring but not at the right time. We want to win every game, but that's not realistic. How quickly people forget the years we've had some of the lowest scoring in the league. The games are far more entertaining this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 6 hours ago, Petey40 said: I don’t know if this is sarcasm or not but he had 2 assists in 6GP so he’s definitely not going to fix scoring Where people expecting him to come back up and produce at a ppg pace or something. At best he was near .5ppg. So for a super short 6 game stint, I thought he did alright, needed more time to get his timing against NHL players imo. But hey, we got so much depth scoring now its all good we don't need Sven in our top 9 at all or on the 2nd PP unit... Our GM is fooling himself if he thinks we got enough skill, our 5 on 5 scoring has been quite poor this year. If we didnt have the league's most PP goals we would have an even worse record. We still lack proper depth and have way too many grinders or veterans who don't produce but have these higher salaries. This team is still a ways off from doing any real damage and our coaching as a whole needs a shake up. Keep Green, but bring in some better Assistant Coaches 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 5 hours ago, Duodenum said: Jake Virtanen leads the team in even strength goals. Great for Jake, but the Canucks aren't going anywhere if a third liner is leading the way at even strength. Jake leads the team in 5 on 5 scoring...WOW!!! Yet he never gets a fair shake in the top 6.... Our team had such a hot stretch scoring on the PP it has inflated some stats and made us look better or some players look better statistically then they really are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 6 hours ago, CptCanuck16 said: Whose talking about throwing guys under the bus? Any good coach in the post game will say "we did ABC real well, but we need to work on XYZ.". Win or lose. You never hear anything like that from Green. He *could be* like that behind closed doors, as you say, but he should be reassuring the public that he recognizes weaknesses in their game and is working on improving it. By not doing that he gives off the impression that he is completely satisfied with his teams performance and sees no issues with the status quo. If that is the case it's a very dangerous attitude to have. World class coaches always see room for improvement no matter how good the team is. It doesn't matter what he or anyone says. It's going to be criticized. It's naive to think that the team doesn't realize the areas they need to improve on. They lost the game, they want to win. I don't need them to hand feed me anything to reassure me. It's just the typical microscope that we need to overanalyze everything here. We dominated the majority of the game except maybe 10 mins. In most nights, that's a good night, it is nearly impossible to come out for a full 60 every game especially with a young growing team. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItTakesAnArmy Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 14 minutes ago, canuck2288 said: There is a cap, you do realize that right? our d zone coverage and breakouts are at a below pewee level of coaching our penalty killing is terrible. Box out and pray we block the shooting lanes our dump and chase strategy does not match the makeup and size of the team guess what? All coaching issues Too many little dmen. They are getting mauled. Hughes isn't good at defence so Myers tries to do too much. Pinching dmen are good but the Canucks do it all the time and get caught. Pettersson looks like a teenager, not in skill but the physicality and both Horvat and Boeser are starting to look stressed. Too high of expectations. The bottom three lines are checking lines, those are the players. Why aren't more draft picks playing? That is a GM issue that he has had 5 years to remedy. Why aren't there more trades of player for player rather than draft pick for player? Because nobody want this team's players. Ferland, Eriksson and Baerstchi are not tradable, other have too high a cap hit for the position or have a clause. Could McCann have played for this team? How about spending over 28 million for less than 30 points or essentially 10 mil in the minors with Sven and Eriksson? Couldn't tha money have been used elsewhere to sign maybe a Taylor Hall? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 3 hours ago, Boudrias said: The finger pointing is hilarious. The maturing process every team has to go through doesn’t apply to Vancouver apparently. Making playoffs is a great goal. Last year that wasn’t realistic. This year it is. The core of this team is very young. Let them play. Quit the dramatics about Green and Benning. The last two games have been very entertaining with the glitches that should be expected. This team will be a serious cup contender within 3 years. Enjoy the process! IMHO this team is at least a year ahead of where they should be. I agree 100%. It's always something. It was fire Gillis, AV, Willie, the owners...everyone. Then we're too old/slow. So now we have a different GM, coach, roster. They're young and fast and....it's not happening fast enough? I'm enjoying the ride that is this season. I don't watch hockey to analyze or come up with a business plan...I watch for entertainment and enjoyment. I'm getting plenty of that. I actually find it unbearable at times after a loss. People start grumbling before it's even over...even in a 1 goal deficit game. Like they wait for it so they can unleash all the angst of their lives. It isn't perfect. It needs work. Most teams do at times...new teams with rookies, even more so. It's just part of it all. Quinn wows me...Petey still does too. Brock. Bo. The team in general. There's so much potential for the floodgates to open. These aren't snoozer gamess that we're not in...then I'd understand it. Already waiting for today's game.... GCG 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck2288 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, ItTakesAnArmy said: Too many little dmen. They are getting mauled. Hughes isn't good at defence so Myers tries to do too much. Pinching dmen are good but the Canucks do it all the time and get caught. Pettersson looks like a teenager, not in skill but the physicality and both Horvat and Boeser are starting to look stressed. Too high of expectations. The bottom three lines are checking lines, those are the players. Why aren't more draft picks playing? That is a GM issue that he has had 5 years to remedy. Why aren't there more trades of player for player rather than draft pick for player? Because nobody want this team's players. Ferland, Eriksson and Baerstchi are not tradable, other have too high a cap hit for the position or have a clause. Could McCann have played for this team? How about spending over 28 million for less than 30 points or essentially 10 mil in the minors with Sven and Eriksson? Couldn't tha money have been used elsewhere to sign maybe a Taylor Hall? Small d? Are you serious Benn, Edler, Myers and Fanta are all big boys any Hughes is not a good d man , learn the game buddy mccan? Seriously you do t know talent from a hole in the ground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItTakesAnArmy Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, canuck2288 said: Small d? Are you serious Benn, Edler, Myers and Fanta are all big boys any Hughes is not a good d man , learn the game buddy mccan? Seriously you do t know talent from a hole in the ground Not in the NHL where the average size is over 6'1" Hughes plays like a rover, learn what that is. McCann, the current 2nd line center on the Penquins? Remember Miller was a 3rd liner too but on this team he is what? Top 3 or 4? But yu are right McCann is only 23, does only make 1.25 mil with no clause has only 19 pts and a plus 13 and he would not have cost anything. But he is not here, JB traded him so he is doo doo caa caa poo poo right? Edited December 15, 2019 by ItTakesAnArmy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 1 hour ago, ItTakesAnArmy said: Yes the team can win, not the cup, not the conference, division or even enough to make a wild card spot but more than two other teams in the division. How do you know? I'm going to wait and see and remind you if/when they do. Don't speak in statements like they're facts..this is your projection. 1 hour ago, ItTakesAnArmy said: Without Markstrom this team just doesn't have as much success. Most teams heavily rely on good goaltending. It's not an anomaly. Funny, they win with Demko too. 1 hour ago, ItTakesAnArmy said: Badly out played 5 on 5 and don't confuse hustle with winning, sure they hustle and work hard mostly not to be scored on. Badly outplayed? For the first, sure...not sure you kept the game on after that. 1 hour ago, ItTakesAnArmy said: For all that the excitement for this group they are a whopping 3 points better than last season and the season before and season before and Put a new cot of paint on a Volkswagon and call it a Ferrari and all it is still Volkswagon. Maybe go cheer for the Ferraris? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 25 minutes ago, ItTakesAnArmy said: Hughes plays like a rover, learn what that is. I bet the Ferraris wish they had a rover. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 19 minutes ago, canuck2288 said: mccan? Seriously you do t know talent from a hole in the ground You wouldn't take McCaan and his 19pts in 31 gp....I sure as Hell would! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck2288 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 10 minutes ago, ItTakesAnArmy said: Not in the NHL where the average size is over 6'1" Hughes plays like a rover, learn what that is. McCann, the current 2nd line center on the Penquins? Remember Miller was a 3rd liner too but on this team he is what? Top 3 or 4? But yu are right McCann is only 23, does only make 1.25 mil with no clause has only 19 pts and a plus 13 and he would not have cost anything. But he is not here, JB traded him so he is doo doo caa caa poo poo right? You need to learn the game if you don’t feel Hughes is a blue chip all round top d man and McCann? You make me laugh And news flash most our d are over 6 feet d is not our issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick_theRyper Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 10 hours ago, DeNiro said: And another poor decision costs us. Marky shouldn’t have been pulled till we had sustained pressure. Hockey 101... Tired of this team waiting till the ends of games to play hard. I’ve been flipping my lid every time we pull the goalie my wife probably is growing very tired of it.. we almost Never! Have pressure when we pull the goalie. The good ol days 90secs left and the puck was in or crossing the other teams blue line. No it’s 180+ and it’s on our stick in our own blue line at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick_theRyper Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Canuckster86 said: Jake leads the team in 5 on 5 scoring...WOW!!! Yet he never gets a fair shake in the top 6.... Our team had such a hot stretch scoring on the PP it has inflated some stats and made us look better or some players look better statistically then they really are. But but but Jakes not a top six guy I’m on could nine when this kid scores, he deserves more lengthy shot in the top six. Completely agree with you here 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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