ItTakesAnArmy Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 How can anyone blame Green? Under Willie 31 Wins 51 Losses, 30 Wins 52 Losses So far under Green 31 Wins 51 Losses 35 Wins 47 Losses These don't change when only one or two players are added and especially when there is number of older players signed and injuries are not accounted for. Some of the losing can be attributed to trying to entertain the fans by allowing Hughes a free rein out there, if the opposition gets muddled up by his moves well guess what so is his team but he is entertaining to watch. Offence at the price of defence but that has to work, the offence part. Just look at the players 2 years ago and today. Two 20 year olds aren't going to be turning this Titanic very fast no matter what the GM is selling you. Green didn't sign Ferland and Eriksson to contracts, just about 8 to10 million sitting out if he sits almost any of the older vets but what else can he do? "Why work hard when I can sit back like Eriksson and get paid millions"? Thats a great message to the kids. This Green stuff, right now, is nothing but Benning's people trying to deflect the blame from "dim Jim" I saw that in some posts in this forum. Even if JB is canned nothing much will change UNLESS it is before the TDL, there is no playoffs in this team unless other teams tank to get better odds. Markstrom is showing cracks, his displays on the ice are showing the pressure he is feeling, maybe he doesn't even want to come back. No word on talks with him or Tanev. A new GM before the TDL,might even tell the truth to the fans, Hey we are likely another season at least, The problem might with fan support after being lied to for so long. No coach can make Volkswagons into Ferraris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ItTakesAnArmy said: No coach can make Volkswagons into Ferraris 100 % true. Benning has failed the Canuck fanbase by assembling a sub par NHL club. Time for the Canucks to hire a true veteran experienced GM. We don't need to hire another GM like Benning that is trying to learn on the fly.... By my numbers we are heading towards a 37 win season.... not good enough. Free Willy 31 Wins 51 Losses, 30 Wins 52 Losses Red Green 31 Wins 51 Losses 35 Wins 47 Losses Edited December 19, 2019 by kingofsurrey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyotasfan Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Dump and chase is effective when you plaster the defenceman every chance you get, even cross the line once in awhile with a 2minutes for charging . But make them hear footsteps and panic every time they have to go back for a puck. Eg: St. Louis forechecking in the SCF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 All of the above, including option E; high expectations from the fans. Going into the season expectation were way too high. Many thought we would be a top 5-7 team in the West with the new additions to the team. When reality, we are exactly where we should be, a bubble playoff team. Benning need to take some of the blame, with his free agents signing and trades. Trying to fasten the rebuild when we should have stayed the course and build through the draft. He should have just signed complementary players this summer and not trade for Miller. While Miller has been our best player, he wasn’t going to put us over the top. We were still a year or two away from contention. Maybe Linden was right after all. Green stubbornness to change his system and strategies, within the game has gotten to the players. Green finally has the roster to compete with the upgraded talent. Yet, we’re exactly where we are last year. Players need to take accountable for the poor efforts and not showing any consistency. Regardless if you don’t like the system. 90% of the players seem to be mailing it after trailing in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbermen Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) Why would you can Benning now? That would be stupid, the mistakes he made were early on and he's learned from them. The core of the team is still young, let him finish the job he started. can't believe people are still on that crap. You think another Gm is going to magically get Miller for a low round pick or just cherry pick other teams rosters? It's so dumb. Only one way to rebuild and that is through the draft. Let's see....Pettersson, Hughes ,Boeser , Virtanen ,Gaudette, Demko, DiPietro , Madden, Woo, Lind , Gadjovich, Brisbois, Podkolzin, Hoglander , Rathbone, Focht, Jasek, Tryamkin (hopefully comes back) Palmu (ripping it up in Finland and will get another chance in Utica) and Juolevi NOT a bust, he's had some major injuries and needs a full year in Utica first. Also solid late round hopefuls in Plasek (WJC Czech), Utunen (Cpt of Finland this years WJC) Costmar, Silovs, McDonagh (Playing very well on a line with Madden at NWestern). He also added solid entry level free agents D's Beginning with Stecher and now Rafferty, Teves , Elliot, Chatfield and Sautner. Don't forget that MacEwen was also a free agent signing. He's brought in some good complementary players to Utica that can be called up like Graovac, Bailey, Perron. Goldobin and Boucher are two of the best players in the AHL. Why would you replace him now when the team iso the verge of breaking through. Edited December 19, 2019 by Timbermen 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbermen Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, shiznak said: All of the above, including option E; high expectations from the fans. Going into the season expectation were way too high. Many thought we would be a top 5-7 team in the West with the new additions to the team. When reality, we are exactly where we should be, a bubble playoff team. Benning need to take some of the blame, with his free agents signing and trades. Trying to fasten the rebuild when we should have stayed the course and build through the draft. He should have just signed complementary players this summer and not trade for Miller. While Miller has been our best player, he wasn’t going to put us over the top. We were still a year or two away from contention. Maybe Linden was right after all. Green stubbornness to change his system and strategies, within the game has gotten to the players. Green finally has the roster to compete with the upgraded talent. Yet, we’re exactly where we are last year. Players need to take accountable for the poor efforts and not showing any consistency. Regardless if you don’t like the system. 90% of the players seem to be mailing it after trailing in the game. That bolded statement makes less than zero sense. Miller is 26 and on a 4 year, cap friendly contract and they don't even give up a first round pick till 2021. Whether you like it or not, that was one of the best trades of the season in the entire league. The rebuild is almost over. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Timbermen said: That bolded statement makes less than zero sense. Miller is 26 and on a 4 year, cap friendly contract and they don't even give up a first round pick till 2021. Whether you like it or not, that was one of the best trades of the season in the entire league. The rebuild is almost over. We are exactly where we were last year, and we didn’t have Miller last year. Again, Miller wasn’t going to put us over the top. If we don’t improve within the next two years, that pick will surely be a top 10 pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbermen Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, shiznak said: We are exactly where we were last year, and we didn’t have Miller last year. Again, Miller wasn’t going to put us over the top. If we don’t improve within the next two years, that pick will surely be a top 10 pick. They have Miller for the next 4 years. How does this trade hurt them when the payment is a year and a half from now, then however long it takes that player to develop. Another coupe of years after that likely. You really think the Canucks won't improve in the next year and a half? Boeser , Pettersson and Hughes all under 23. Hughes is only 20 now. You think Miller hasn't improved the Canucks at all? I think you're alone on that one. Edited December 19, 2019 by Timbermen 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Timbermen said: They have Miller for the next 4 years. How does this trade hurt them when the payment is a year and a half from now, then however long it takes that player to develop. Another coupe of years after that likely. You really think the Canucks won't improve in the next year and a half? Boeser , Pettersson and Hughes all under 23. Hughes is only 20 now. You think Miller hasn't improved the Canucks at all? I think you're alone on that one. Then, why hasn’t our record improved drastically from last year? Last year record thru Dec 18th: 16-17-4 This year thru Dec 18th: 16-15-4 Remind you, last year we had Pouliot and Gudbranson (CDC’s whipping boys) playing in our top 4. With Sutter, Edler, Beagle and Tanev all injured around this time. Edited December 19, 2019 by shiznak 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petey Castiglione Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 5 hours ago, J-23 said: Of ocurse a young team is bound to make mistakes (lose games, tc.) but it's about learning from your mistakes and games lost. For example, team blows a big lead against Washington and does the same thing against the Pens a few games later. Completely fair argument. Though it takes time to get things right and work out the kinks. How many times did you fall off your bike before you learned to ride on 2 wheels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbermen Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, shiznak said: Then, why hasn’t our record improved drastically from last year? Last year record thru Dec 18th: 16-17-4 This year thru Dec 18th: 16-15-4 Remind you, last year we had Pouliot and Gudbranson (CDC’s whipping boys) playing in our top 4. With Sutter, Edler, Beagle and Tanev all injured around this time. They lost about 5 games they should have won this year. You mentioned Sutter, Edler, Beagle and Tanev injured last year. All of them have missed time this year with the exception of Tanev. Also Roussel, Ferland, both Markstrom and Demko. The next two months will show if they've improved or not. The Canucks have gotten a few big road trips out of the way this year and have played alot more road games than home games. Lets compare the standing at the end of January, i'll accept your apology then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 5 hours ago, mll said: At this point of the season the Canucks are middle of the pack in terms of travel. This is an interactive bar chart of distance travelled at every point of the season: https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/688932/ In October they played 12 games tied with 6 other teams. Most was Calgary with 15 and least NJD with 10. In November they played 15 games tied with 6 other teams. Most was 16 (5 teams). Least was Tampa with 12 who travelled to Europe. There were 10 teams including the Canucks at 27 games by end of November. Canucks with Calgary and Minnesota had the most road games by end of November with 17 already. Worth reposting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 14 hours ago, smokes said: This is part of JB's diabolical plan to aquire one more lottery pick. Hey. i mean go for it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Timbermen said: They lost about 5 games they should have won this year. You mentioned Sutter, Edler, Beagle and Tanev injured last year. All of them have missed time this year with the exception of Tanev. Also Roussel, Ferland, both Markstrom and Demko. The next two months will show if they've improved or not. The Canucks have gotten a few big road trips out of the way this year and have played alot more road games than home games. Lets compare the standing at the end of January, i'll accept your apology then. Should’ve, could’ve, would’ve. We could have won 3 or 4 games last year, when we went on a 7 game winless streak, in last November. The point is, our team is much more strong than last year. Our defense is much more stabilized. We have much better depth in our lineup. Yet, we’re in the same position as last year, with no progression. As good as Miller has been for us. The deal for Miller, was not needed, imo. For a Cup contender, sure, but not for a team that is in amidst of a rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptCanuck16 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Thank the Lord, the CDC has seen the light! I've been griping about Green and his amateur systems for at least 70 games now. Glad others are FINALLY figuring it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbermen Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 1 minute ago, shiznak said: Should’ve, could’ve, would’ve. We could have won 3 or 4 games last year, when we went on a 7 game winless streak, in last November. The point is, our team is much more strong than last year. Our defense is much more stabilized. We have much better depth in our lineup. Yet, we’re in the same position as last year, with no progression. As good as Miller has been for us. The deal for Miller, was not needed, imo. For a Cup contender, sure, but not for a team that is in amidst of a rebuild. He's not a rental though, he's part of the rebuild. 26, 4 year awesome contract. If they waited until the summer and gave up the exact same price it would have been better? How? He can build chemistry on the top line now which will help him for next season. He was a 15th overall pick himself. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrockBoester Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 I solely blame the referees as always Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, BrockBoester said: I solely blame the referees as always Nah, this is all Gillis fault and we all know it. Edited December 19, 2019 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, Timbermen said: He's not a rental though, he's part of the rebuild. 26, 4 year awesome contract. If they waited until the summer and gave up the exact same price it would have been better? How? He can build chemistry on the top line now which will help him for next season. He was a 15th overall pick himself. If a 26 years old is part of the rebuild.......then why didn’t we just sign someone like Connolly (on pace for 25+ goals) off the market, who posted similar numbers to Miller for half the price, while keeping our 1st? I’m pretty sure we would be in the same position with Connolly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbermen Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, shiznak said: If a 26 years old is part of the rebuild.......then why didn’t we just sign someone like Connolly (on pace for 25+ goals) off the market, who posted similar numbers to Miller for half the price, while keeping our 1st? I’m pretty sure we would be in the same position with Connolly. How do you know Conolly would have signed here? How do you know they didn't try to sign him before Ferland? Connolly has never scored more than 50 points in entire career. Only scored twenty once. Edited December 19, 2019 by Timbermen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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