Westcoasting Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 40 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Cap space isn't an issue with us moving forward. If people actually spent an hour or so on Cap Friendly you could figure this out on your own. Lots of ways to move contracts and get dead money off the books over the next 2 years plus Petey and Hughes aren't due until next summer when we have over $20 million coming off the books. Cap Friendly easily shows this. Coming off the books in the summer of 2021: Spooner - $1,033,333 Baertschi - $3,366,666 Teves - $700,000 Sutter - $4,375,000 Edler - $6,000,000 Benn - $2,000,000 Pearson - $3,750,000 That's $21,224,999 in cap space freed up for 2021. Not to mention the cap will probably be a few million higher after the expansion draft takes place and the new tv deal kicks in. Ferland may also be off the books as he could retire or at the very least on LTIR. Also, Eriksson could be bought out for an additional $2 million in savings if he isn't already retired. Like I said cap space will not be an issue moving forward. Next year I anticipate us bringing in some youth on cheap ELC's like Hoglander, Lind, MacEwen, Brisebois and Rafferty. I would bet on him being part of the lineup more than retired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 I totally get your thought process and why...…. I am holding out on Eriksson retiring in July...…….might as well have a big wish! Right? There are just so many variables...…..who the heck knows Ossi? Eriksson ...Retires, goes to Ottawa, mutually walks away.....???? Tanev...….. Baertschi...…. Benn...... Sutter...... Who knows what Jimbo will do? It might be something totally that we are not seeing......or like you suggest Ossi, it could cost us one of our Blue chip prospects.... Which, I would be sick over doing...……….but man! Something has to happen! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 i’ld rather trade markstrom to LA for a first, fagemo and dudas. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 23 minutes ago, Westcoasting said: I would bet on him being part of the lineup more than retired. If he is ultimately on LTIR I suppose it offsets the Luongo recapture at least. Scary to see Ferland so easily taken out, maybe this time everyone should just choose health and give the guy the best long term outcome. I'd hate to see him get his bell rung again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirotashi Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 OP I think what makes your trade suggestion particularly egregious is that the trade is to a rival. Tofoli would be on the down swing and looking to retire possibly in 3-5 years where as Hoglander would be playing against us AND not even entering into his prime. Hoglander was one of the most exciting players in the tournament. It just makes no sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 I don't mind your offer assuming 2 of the 3 are Sven and Loui. That being said, I think LA might be able to get a better return for taking on 10 mill dead cap essentially Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, the grinder said: ok tell us what hughes next contract is going to be worth then ? Less than $10 million... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: Cap space isn't an issue with us moving forward. If people actually spent an hour or so on Cap Friendly you could figure this out on your own. Not even 5-10 minutes, but that would take actual investigation and thinking -- you know, effort. It's easier to just listen to the media and their hand-wringing narrative over the "imminent cap disaster" and choose to believe that. They can't carry on the narrative anymore of "Dim Jim and the failed rebuild" so they have to find something else to troll the fanbase about. No doubt the next "goalie controversy" is on deck, just waiting for Markstrom to have a skid and Demko to have a string of good games. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 I think we should really make a push for Ben Hutton. Can really help out our defence for our playoff push. Then @Gaudette Celly can change his username back... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: Cap space isn't an issue with us moving forward. If people actually spent an hour or so on Cap Friendly you could figure this out on your own. Lots of ways to move contracts and get dead money off the books over the next 2 years plus Petey and Hughes aren't due until next summer when we have over $20 million coming off the books. Cap Friendly easily shows this. Coming off the books in the summer of 2021: Spooner - $1,033,333 Baertschi - $3,366,666 Teves - $700,000 Sutter - $4,375,000 Edler - $6,000,000 Benn - $2,000,000 Pearson - $3,750,000 That's $21,224,999 in cap space freed up for 2021. Not to mention the cap will probably be a few million higher after the expansion draft takes place and the new tv deal kicks in. Ferland may also be off the books as he could retire or at the very least on LTIR. Also, Eriksson could be bought out for an additional $2 million in savings if he isn't already retired. Like I said cap space will not be an issue moving forward. Next year I anticipate us bringing in some youth on cheap ELC's like Hoglander, Lind, MacEwen, Brisebois and Rafferty. Totally agree with you that cap wont be an issue with us moving forward... But buying out Loui July 2020 wont save us 2 mill, it'll be about 1.333 over 4 years and is nonsensical IMO considering his signning bonus. We're better off waiving him if anything and just paying him 1 mill less on the cap for 2 years and being done with it... Rather than having 5.6, then 3.6... then 666K for two extra years (below is the buyout SEASON INITIAL BASE SALARY INITIAL CAP HIT SIGNING BONUS BUYOUT COST POST-BUYOUT EARNINGS SAVINGS CAP HIT ( VAN) 2020-21 $1,000,000 $6,000,000 $3,000,000 $666,667 $3,666,667 $333,333 $5,666,667 2021-22 $3,000,000 $6,000,000 $1,000,000 $666,667 $1,666,667 $2,333,333 $3,666,667 2022-23 $0 $0 $0 $666,667 $666,667 -$666,667 $666,667 2023-24 $0 $0 $0 $666,667 $666,667 -$666,667 $666,667 TOTAL $4,000,000 $12,000,000 $4,000,000 $2,666,667 $6,666,667 $1,333,333 $10,666,668 Also Ferland retiring? We just signed the 27 year old entering his prime... what makes you think he's retiring? He'll be back and better than ever soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Gaudette Celly said: Not even 5-10 minutes, but that would take actual investigation and thinking -- you know, effort. It's easier to just listen to the media and their hand-wringing narrative over the "imminent cap disaster" and choose to believe that. They can't carry on the narrative anymore of "Dim Jim and the failed rebuild" so they have to find something else to troll the fanbase about. No doubt the next "goalie controversy" is on deck, just waiting for Markstrom to have a skid and Demko to have a string of good games. Yup. We all know what the next big thing will be. How Benning manages the goalie situation. It will be a losing battle for Jim. If he signs Marky long term and trades Demko then he's ruining our future. If he lets Marky walk for free in the summer and keeps Demko it's terrible asset management. If he trades Marky at the deadline to get an asset back it will be he's throwing away our playoff hopes on a rookie goalie. He can't win... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: I think we should really make a push for Ben Hutton. Can really help out our defence for our playoff push. Then @Gaudette Celly can change his username back... Is there really anything better than watching Gaudette Celly though? Maybe if Hutton came back and was a 80 Point dman I'd like him more than the Hockey Gaud 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, apollo said: Totally agree with you that cap wont be an issue with us moving forward... But buying out Loui July 2020 wont save us 2 mill, it'll be about 1.333 over 4 years and is nonsensical IMO considering his signning bonus. We're better off waiving him if anything and just paying him 1 mill less on the cap for 2 years and being done with it... Rather than having 5.6, then 3.6... then 666K for two extra years (below is the buyout SEASON INITIAL BASE SALARY INITIAL CAP HIT SIGNING BONUS BUYOUT COST POST-BUYOUT EARNINGS SAVINGS CAP HIT ( VAN) 2020-21 $1,000,000 $6,000,000 $3,000,000 $666,667 $3,666,667 $333,333 $5,666,667 2021-22 $3,000,000 $6,000,000 $1,000,000 $666,667 $1,666,667 $2,333,333 $3,666,667 2022-23 $0 $0 $0 $666,667 $666,667 -$666,667 $666,667 2023-24 $0 $0 $0 $666,667 $666,667 -$666,667 $666,667 TOTAL $4,000,000 $12,000,000 $4,000,000 $2,666,667 $6,666,667 $1,333,333 $10,666,668 Also Ferland retiring? We just signed the 27 year old entering his prime... what makes you think he's retiring? He'll be back and better than ever soon. I was referring to buying out Loui in 2021 when he has one year left and when we have to re-sign Petey and Hughes. His cap hit is $6 million but if we buy out the last year of his contract the cap hit is only $4 million for 2021 and $1 million for 2022. So a $2 million savings for the summer of 2021. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, apollo said: Is there really anything better than watching Gaudette Celly though? Maybe if Hutton came back and was a 80 Point dman I'd like him more than the Hockey Gaud Yeah that's true. I kinda miss the wink though. It was growing on me really... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the grinder Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Less than $10 million... so 9.9 then ? So still what ever we pay Petey and Quinn is still going to take a large chunk of that 21 million dollar of available cap space Edited January 3, 2020 by the grinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 56 minutes ago, Gaudette Celly said: Not even 5-10 minutes, but that would take actual investigation and thinking -- you know, effort. It's easier to just listen to the media and their hand-wringing narrative over the "imminent cap disaster" and choose to believe that. They can't carry on the narrative anymore of "Dim Jim and the failed rebuild" so they have to find something else to troll the fanbase about. No doubt the next "goalie controversy" is on deck, just waiting for Markstrom to have a skid and Demko to have a string of good games. It's unfortunate, but you appear to be plugging your ears and stomping your feet. Disagree with the proposal, fine, these wide generalizations and forcing a narrative i haven't portrayed in the least is pathetic. Keep up that straw man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, the grinder said: so 9.9 then ? So still what ever we pay Petey and Quinn is still going to take a large chunk of that 21 million dollar of available cap space We will have much more cap space than the $21 million. The cap will go up by $5-7 million and we can buy out several contracts including Loui's, Roussel and Beagle if we have to. Cap space is not an issue with the Canucks. Like I said spend some time on Cap Friendly and you can figure it out yourself instead of guessing or listening to the uneducated media talking heads... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Trading players who are looking like future contributors on ELCs for a pending UFA is generally a terrible idea. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: We will have much more cap space than the $21 million. The cap will go up by $5-7 million and we can buy out several contracts including Loui's, Roussel and Beagle if we have to. Cap space is not an issue with the Canucks. Like I said spend some time on Cap Friendly and you can figure it out yourself instead of guessing or listening to the uneducated media talking heads... I agree, and it could actually be higher, as there is suppose to be a new TV contract coming..... I am more inclined to think 6 to 8, before the contract......but your numbers make a valid point, regardless Edited January 3, 2020 by janisahockeynut 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the grinder Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said: We will have much more cap space than the $21 million. The cap will go up by $5-7 million and we can buy out several contracts including Loui's, Roussel and Beagle if we have to. Cap space is not an issue with the Canucks. Like I said spend some time on Cap Friendly and you can figure it out yourself instead of guessing or listening to the uneducated media talking heads... You said there is about 21 million dollars in cap space( so we are using your numbers) , but you are not factoring in what Petey and Quinn are going to get paid in their next contracts . So if Quinn and Petey both sign for 18mil ( 10 for petey ,8 for hughes roughly) in total that leaves 3 million( of your numbers again) and then you are guessing the cap goes up 5-7 million , so who is guessing ? You only did subtractions , you need to add back to the roster as well , you haven't included other players being resigned ( marky., jake . motte.' gaudette. fantenberg , stecher , tanev) that is on cap friendly) besides petey and hughes next contracts , so perhaps you should re think on how much cap space we really will have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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