ilduce39 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 From the articles you provided: “Iran will seek revenge. It may escalate in Iraq, Lebanon, the gulf or elsewhere. It may attempt to target senior U.S. officials,” said Goldenberg, now a scholar with the Center for a New American Security. “Unfortunately, I highly doubt the Trump administration has thought out the next step or knows what to do now to avoid a regional war.” “For the legitimacy of the Iranian regime, a forceful response against the U.S. should be expected. The American public needs to understand that we may lose American lives after this act.” Yet, like others in his party, Moulton worried where Soleimani's assassination might lead: “The question we’ve grappled with for years in Iraq was how to kill more terrorists than we create. That’s an open question tonight as we await Iran’s reaction to Donald Trump’s escalation, which could ignite a regional war, with still no strategy from the Administration.” Soleimani was a major public figure in Iran, a Major General in Iran’s Revolutionary Guards Corps, who was easily the most popular official in an Iranian government that generally is not. Soleimani was the international face of resistance,” Iran’s Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said in a statement, “and all lovers of resistance will be his avengers.” He promised that “harsh retaliation is waiting.” In 2017, when TIME included Soleimani on its list of the 100 most influential people, former CIA analyst Kenneth M. Pollackwrote that “To Middle Eastern Shi’ites, he is James Bond, Erwin Rommel and Lady Gaga rolled into one.” ...the only article that paints this action in a positive light is cnbc opinion piece. And that was just saying that this guy was a bad dude and downplaying the likelihood of reprisal without a shred of evidence or expert opinion. He even calls the guy unpopular while Time says the exact opposite. Every other one says this makes the Middle East (and likely the world) a more dangerous place. Especially since Trump doesn’t care about establishing any peace or lasting solution, just a distraction and a victory lap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Boudrias said: Much of the early Israeli airforce were American Jews, vets of WW II. They bought airplanes from Spain I think. Contrary to a earlier post Israel is quite efficient at producing their own arms. They are world leaders in many fields. Produce their own fighters. I believe they actually were still using some of those ancient vehicles as late as ‘the six day war’ (eg., Sherman tanks). I forgot how they obtained them (maybe sold as surplus stuff from France?). It had a ton of flaws but it’s amazing how these Sherman tanks got around (Russians used a bunch of them on the Eastern front in WWII I think as part of the lend-lease program. Nickname for the tank was “Ronson” (eg., ronson cigarette lighter) as they had a habit of bursting into flames when hit by the enemy. It was a “success” for the Yanks because they produced a crapload of them in WWII. Relatively easy to repair in the field helped. Edited January 3, 2020 by NewbieCanuckFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Sbriggs said: No need to be confused, I don't think Iran will do nothing, I think they will retaliate in many ways that will be devastating to the US and its allies but probably more devastating for the Iranian people in the long term. And I do hate Russia more than I hate the US, but not by much and when I say this I mean its government and foriegn policy, not the people just like the Iranian people. Understand now? Gotcha. My bad alcohol is hell of a thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 2 hours ago, ItsAllOursBoys said: Facts taken out of context becomes the biggest deceptions.... just curious how any of that could be taken out of context. he was absolutely adamant about what he said but is now calling it fake news or dismissing it while committing to the same stuff he railed against Obama for doing. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 6 hours ago, Pickly said: FTFY You forgot your Canadian flag waving emoji to go with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickly Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 hour ago, SabreFan1 said: You forgot your Canadian flag waving emoji to go with it. Just a friendly reminder from a former Patricia. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Pickly said: Just a friendly reminder from a former Patricia. I'm just giving you good-natured grief. They should consider turning your old unit back into a special forces unit something along the lines of the Army Rangers here in the US. One thing Canada has always gotten right and supported is it's special ops forces. Edited January 4, 2020 by SabreFan1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 does anyone have any doubt now with the latest bombings that trump is trying to provoke a war with iran how can an impeached president do this? he is a completely loose cannon and will create any distraction from these proceedings and do whatever it might take to get himself re eleted or burn the country down in his self preservation efforts good luck merica you voted him in so you just gotta control the maniac 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 21 hours ago, Ryan Strome said: absolutely he did and he was ignored and he was a great man. I believe at the end of World War II Canada had the third biggest Air Force and the third biggest Navy in the world and over the decades we've let it Fallin and Fallin and Fallin and you aren't wrong we do have all these benefits the United States doesn't have because our politicians of both colours no the United States will never allow another country on this continent a hostile country. so they use it to their advantage it is really sad when Canadians laugh at Americans and see we live better and you don't have this or you don't have that because at the end of the day there is no warning for war just ask Poland and here is the real kicker what if that enemy is the United States of America well I'm wishing we still have the third biggest Air Force and the third biggest Navy because I know it's great to believe we are the best of friends but sometimes best friends fight I'm not saying that the u.s. wants to attack Canada I'm just saying name another country in the world as rich as Canada that would allow its neighbour to be as big and powerful as it is when you don't even have the ability to stop them for 20 minutes Pffft 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Light Racicot Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 23 hours ago, ItsAllOursBoys said: Iran has consistently threatened to rip out the "cancer" of Israel from the Middle East. Iran refers to America as the "Great Satan" and Israel as his offspring. For the last 75 years, Iran has made these threats. Under the nuclear deal, Obama chose the policy of appeasement and so he Iran 150 Billion dollars to Iran, promising many sanctions would be lifted so they could continue their nuclear enrichment activities...all for national "energy" purposes of course. Iran doesn't want peace with the US or Israel, they want "Islamic" peace with the US and Israel subjugated under Islamic Sharia law. That will NEVER happen and tonight is just the start of what is sure to turn into a clash of civilizations, the 21 century civilization vs 17th century civilization. America has always been the instigator. The 1953 coup in order to turn Iran into a puppet state is the reason relations between the two countries have been terrible for such a long time. This idea that America is the protagonist of the world is ridiculous and frankly, delusional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) People genuinely wondering how this could set off WW3 are genuinely dumb. The only people more dumb are those who think that the US is somehow justified or ok in murdering people in other nations without a shred of intelligence in the irony of their post Edited January 4, 2020 by Warhippy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbriggs Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 5 hours ago, Ryan Strome said: Gotcha. My bad alcohol is hell of a thing. Try smoking a dube its better for ya 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 45 minutes ago, Warhippy said: People genuinely wondering how this could set off WW3 are genuinely dumb. The only people more dumb are those who think that the US is somehow justified or ok in murdering people in other nations without a shred of intelligence in the irony of their post Well you would know dumb but in this case I agree. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbriggs Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 56 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: Well you would know dumb but in this case I agree. Whats dumb is assassinating another countries military leaders, how would we or the US react if one of their military leaders were assassinated? And since it was the US what if some country, like say Iraq, assassinated Bush, he's a war criminal, lied to the world, invaded another country illegally, murdered 10's of thousands if not more looking for fake weapons of mass destruction all for oil. The US is loosing its allies and becoming a lone wolf, dangerous direction. Lets try and remember history, no matter what, all super powers fall, one way or another 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 On 1/2/2020 at 7:12 PM, SabreFan1 said: Now be a good Canadian and act all superior for no real good reason! Be a good boy and listen to Nickelback for at least 10 hours straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbriggs Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 6 hours ago, Warhippy said: just curious how any of that could be taken out of context. he was absolutely adamant about what he said but is now calling it fake news or dismissing it while committing to the same stuff he railed against Obama for doing. Ya what a stupid s@#t eh, I mean like dumber than dumb. The damage Trump is doing, in hopefully his short time in office, will take decades to repair if it can be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 As far as Iran goes, they were involved in many proxy wars, let’s not pretend they are Swiss. Beirut 1983 barracks and embassy bombing, Khobar towers, Buenos Aires bombing, hamas and hezzbollah creation etc. Also being responsible for close to 20% of all us casualties in Iraq. Iran is one of the largest terrorism supporters around the world. Them talking about killing Americans is something that has been going on for decades. Trump has half assed this, just like everything else, but people who lived by the sword, died by the sword. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canorth Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, ItsAllOursBoys said: Facts taken out of context becomes the biggest deceptions.... Well said... for someone who clearly doesn’t understand the terms “Facts” or “Context” Edited January 4, 2020 by Canorth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canorth Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 4 hours ago, coastal.view said: does anyone have any doubt now with the latest bombings that trump is trying to provoke a war with iran how can an impeached president do this? he is a completely loose cannon and will create any distraction from these proceedings and do whatever it might take to get himself re eleted or burn the country down in his self preservation efforts good luck merica you voted him in so you just gotta control the maniac Thats all I have to say bout that... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ItsAllOursBoys Posted January 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 4, 2020 13 hours ago, Warhippy said: Skipping your posted statements which are literally just tough talking rhetoric and do not have the counter posted US and Israeli statements of the exact same type, I just want to ask can you list for me the nations Iran has invaded. As well as how many attacks Iran has committed against Israel that are in fact proven to be caused by Iranians. Then counter that with attacks against Iran by the US and Israel. Understand with a few simple searches I can find the exact same statements made by the US and Israeli brass, even if they are churched up a bit for language/content I REALLY want you to delve deep for me here. because your statements don't hold up, like at all. Is Iran running its mouth? yes. But I need you to actually prove that statement for me. Mostly because it will take you literal days to find nothing but also because I know for a damned fact you won't because you know you can't I take it you didn't do well in school? Seeing that you ask other to do your homework for you.... With all due respect to your question, its shows an inherent misunderstanding of basic military strategy and planning. Sun Tzu said "Oh divine are to subtlety and secrecy! Through you we learn to be invisible, through you inaudible and hence, we can hold the enemy's fate in our hands". In the art of war, they utilize 5th column tactics. Instead of attacking their enemy from the North, South, East or West, their enter land in stealth or as a friend and once inside, begin their seditious work. These are the type of tactics the Iranians are using. It's your opinion that the statements I posted were "tough talking rhetoric" and I can respect that. You're entitled to your own opinions, but your not entitled to your own facts. Those are their statements and their actions over the last 39 years show their "rhetoric" has morphed into a sophisticated network of proxy wars and guerilla warfare. There are no US/Israel statements that match the murderous intent as the Islamic Republic of Iran. Iran knows they would never win a direct confrontation with Israel or the US so they resort to attacking western targets through their proxies - Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Hamas and other Shi'ite Militia groups. The following are just a few instances of how Iran fights their wars against Israel their neighbors and the world. All instances have objective, verifiable evidence (You'll have to look this up on your own). 1979 - Iranian students backed by Khomeini took 52 America hostages for 444 days when they overthrew the US embassy in Tehran 1981 - Six Arab countries - Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar and the UAE form the GCC to oppose Iranian aggression 1981 - Iran sponsored the Islamic Front for the Liberation of Bahrain in their failed coup attempt to take over the country of Bahrain 1983 - The terrorist group Hezbollah attacked the US embassy in Beirut, killing 17 US Soldiers. 1983 - Hezbollah attacks the US Marine barracks in Beirut - killed 241 Americans 1984 - Hezbollah truck bomb attack at the US Embassy in Lebanon - killed 23 people 1992 - Hezbollah bombed the Israeli embassy in Argentina - killed 29 people 1994 - Hezbollah bombed a Jewish community center in Argentina - killed 96 people 1994 - Argentina indicted several members of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard of terrorism against a Jewish target in Buenos Aires which killed 85 people 1998 - Iran found guilty in US courts of providing direct material and financial support for the US embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania 2001 - Iran allows Al-Qaeda planners of 9/11 safe passage through Iran to Afghanistan where they received their guerilla warfare training. A US court ordered Iran to pay 6 Billion to the families of 9/11 victims 2011 - Iranian Plot is foiled in Washington D.C that attempted to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to the US at a local restaurant 2011 - Two Iranian intelligence officers defect to the west, implicating Iran with withholding foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks 2012 - Members of Soleimani's IRGC were arrested in Nigeria for plotting to attack/blow up American/English tourist destinations 2012 - Hezbollah kills five Israeli's and a Bulgarian bus driver in a suicide bombing in Burgas Bulgaria 2012 - Kenyan police arrest two Iranians for shipping 100 kilo's of explosives into Kenya for terrorist attacks against American, Israeli and other western targets 2012 - Indian police state that the Iranian Revolutionary Guards were responsible for the bomb explosion that injured and Israeli diplomat 2013 - Hezbollah sends thousands of soldiers to Syria to fight for the Assad regime 2017 - Two members of Hezbollah (financed and supported by Iran) were arrested in NYC while conducting surveillance on US Military and police departments. 2018 - Two Iranian agents arrested in NYC for planning terrorist attacks against Jewish targets in Chicago 2018 - Albania expels the Iranian ambassador for "supporting terrorism" 2018 - France freezes Iranian funds for attempted bomb attack at a Paris rally Wherever you find Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad and various other Shi'ite militias, (Israel, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Bahrain, Argentina, Kenya, Tanzania, Bulgaria, India, Albania, France, US) you find the invading long armed tentacles of the Islamic Republic of Iran. So, time to "delve deep" and do some homework reading on your own... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state-sponsored_terrorism#Albania https://securitystudies.org/qassem-soleimani-an-appreciation-of-a-foe/ https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Iran-Report.pdf https://www.state.gov/countering-irans-global-terrorism/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2019/01/24/the-iranian-revolution-and-its-legacy-of-terrorism/ https://www.unitedagainstnucleariran.com/terrorism https://www.heritage.org/military-strength/assessing-threats-us-vital-interests/iran 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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