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4 hours ago, VIC_CITY said:

Do we know for a fact that everyone in the Kings dressing room thought he was great? Typically teams don't eat $6M+ to send a player packing when he's a good influence. Like I said, we don't know all of the facts here. But Kovalchuk had a poor performance in LA, he was sent packing and at that point, there wasn't really a ton of motivation to sign him. Like I said, Montreal took a chance and it paid off. But most of the time these situations don't pan out. So I place no blame on JB or Canucks management. I also have no interest in giving up half decent assets for him at the deadline. 

Yup we already missed or chance when he was on free agency I would have jump all over the at at that price! We missed a beautiful opportunity! It’s too late to grab Kovy now there’s no way I’m giving up a second for him. We already missed our chance that’s all I’m saying;) 

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8 minutes ago, ItsAllOursBoys said:

If their looking for speed, I hear Guy Lafleur can be had for league minimum as well.....

hey they're a .500 team since signing Kovy. At this rate they'll miss the playoffs 3 weeks out instead of 4. #Bergevinin' 

 

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On 2/4/2020 at 2:13 PM, oldnews said:

Full disclosure:   I have considered Bergevin to be one of the worst GM's in the business.

 

But credit where it's due:

 

Tatar, Suzuki, 2nd for Pacio has turned out very well

Armia for taking on Mason = pretty solid move.

Danault and a 2nd for Weise, Fleishman was a steal.

Weber for Subban proving to be one of the more dramatically under-rated deals in recent years.

Domi for Galchenyuk worked out better than probably could have hoped.

2nd for renting Plekanec to the Laffs.

Byron off waivers.   Chiarot, and Kovi signings...

mix in some good depth deals - Thompson, Kulak, Weal....and getting assets back for Shaw...

 

A lot to like in there - probably more than enough to make up for the Sergachev deal.

 

when taken into the context of what Bergevin began with to what he's fielding today tho.... its pretty bad overall. 

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1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said:

when taken into the context of what Bergevin began with to what he's fielding today tho.... its pretty bad overall. 

true - I think he made them unnecessarily worse - and not many indications that he could turn that around - which makes me think he's still technically the GM, but that the way they make decisions may have changed / or whom they lean on to inform them what to do?

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40 minutes ago, oldnews said:

true - I think he made them unnecessarily worse - and not many indications that he could turn that around - which makes me think he's still technically the GM, but that the way they make decisions may have changed / or whom they lean on to inform them what to do?

I’m no fan of Bergevin. But the roster he started with wasn’t any screaming hell. I wouldn’t say he took an amazing team and made them worse.
 

 Markov, Cole  and Plekanec aged out. He got great value for Pacioretty. Weber /Subban looks like a Montreal win at this point. 
most of the moves he’s made that I initially hated turned out to favour Montreal. I think Montreal’s biggest flaw is the ridiculous notion that the GM and coach have to be French. Julian’s record is actually worse than Therrien’s was when he was fired.  They need to abandon that philosophy and bring in the best people for the job. Regardless of cultural background. 
 

Oh, and Their drafting and player development left a lot to be desired but they now have one of the better prospect pools in the league. 

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3 hours ago, oldnews said:

true - I think he made them unnecessarily worse - and not many indications that he could turn that around - which makes me think he's still technically the GM, but that the way they make decisions may have changed / or whom they lean on to inform them what to do?

I have to question the line about the rebuild there? (not by you, by others) I mean if thats the case you don't make the deal for Weber, you get a whole lot of futures for PK when he still had a lot of value. I just find it funny that people make excuses for the very mediocre at best job he's done. 

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27 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

I have to question the line about the rebuild there? (not by you, by others) I mean if thats the case you don't make the deal for Weber, you get a whole lot of futures for PK when he still had a lot of value. I just find it funny that people make excuses for the very mediocre at best job he's done. 

yeah - it wasn't a 'rething' as I recall - it was a pretty good team that Bergevin "fixed".

If I recall the criticisms at the time (at least this is what mine were) - they more along the lines of - in spite a solid team overall / asset rich team - nevertheless being unable to identify or do anything about a key organizational need - top 6 centers.  And not only that, but going out and dealing Sergachev + for a small, skiled, but over-rated winger....and then moving Galchenyuk, in a good enough deal in the end, but again, for a winger.   Key assets spent - problems not addressed = wasted assets imo.

Not a problem if you're rethinging, but when you're purporting to tweak a competitive team (they were 47-26 the year they fired Therien...) it is a serious blown window.  Other bandaid moves - like adding a Steve Ott - to me was akin to the Leafs adding depth centers as rentals at repeat deadlines, while exposed/shallow on their blueline.  Entirely valid argument to suggest that the moves to deal Subban etc were not rething moves - they were parallel (at best) window moves.

I think Bergevin backed them into a 'rething' / retool - (and may have surrendered some autonomy in the process) - but whatever - he's made some good moves since, after having shown no ability to add what they needed when they needed it (reminded me of the Feaster era Flames in that sense).  I have no qualms giving him some credit, but in context, he still 'fixed' what wasn't broken, and arguably may have broken it in the process.

 

 

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The rumoured 3rd or 4th rounder is more than worth it for what he brings.  I wouldn’t bat an eye if we made the trade.  Of course getting him for free would have been better but that ship has sailed.  That is a highly skilled and currently motivated player at league min.  No brainer in my mind.

 

My trade deadline would involve getting Kovalchuk, getting a healthy Ferland back, signing Tryamkin and maybe moving Stecher if the return is decent.

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29 minutes ago, Kobayashi Maru said:

The rumoured 3rd or 4th rounder is more than worth it for what he brings.  I wouldn’t bat an eye if we made the trade.  Of course getting him for free would have been better but that ship has sailed.  That is a highly skilled and currently motivated player at league min.  No brainer in my mind.

 

My trade deadline would involve getting Kovalchuk, getting a healthy Ferland back, signing Tryamkin and maybe moving Stecher if the return is decent.

The rumoured ask is a 2nd 

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11 hours ago, oldnews said:

yeah - it wasn't a 'rething' as I recall - it was a pretty good team that Bergevin "fixed".

If I recall the criticisms at the time (at least this is what mine were) - they more along the lines of - in spite a solid team overall / asset rich team - nevertheless being unable to identify or do anything about a key organizational need - top 6 centers.  And not only that, but going out and dealing Sergachev + for a small, skiled, but over-rated winger....and then moving Galchenyuk, in a good enough deal in the end, but again, for a winger.   Key assets spent - problems not addressed = wasted assets imo.

Not a problem if you're rethinging, but when you're purporting to tweak a competitive team (they were 47-26 the year they fired Therien...) it is a serious blown window.  Other bandaid moves - like adding a Steve Ott - to me was akin to the Leafs adding depth centers as rentals at repeat deadlines, while exposed/shallow on their blueline.  Entirely valid argument to suggest that the moves to deal Subban etc were not rething moves - they were parallel (at best) window moves.

I think Bergevin backed them into a 'rething' / retool - (and may have surrendered some autonomy in the process) - but whatever - he's made some good moves since, after having shown no ability to add what they needed when they needed it (reminded me of the Feaster era Flames in that sense).  I have no qualms giving him some credit, but in context, he still 'fixed' what wasn't broken, and arguably may have broken it in the process.

 

 

I think the Feaster comparison is a very good one actually. 

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I think the extension/re-signing talks are pretty ridiculous. Kovy is a hired gun despite walking away from LA (who has no shot at playoffs), and at his age likely wants as much of a shot at a cup as possible. That's not going to be in Montreal.

 

I predict he gets rented out at the deadline for a 3rd +. If Pittsburgh picked him up they would look scary as hell up front.

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4 hours ago, Davathor said:

I think the extension/re-signing talks are pretty ridiculous. Kovy is a hired gun despite walking away from LA (who has no shot at playoffs), and at his age likely wants as much of a shot at a cup as possible. That's not going to be in Montreal.

 

I predict he gets rented out at the deadline for a 3rd +. If Pittsburgh picked him up they would look scary as hell up front.

Despite your opinion there is a fair bit of speculation that they are looking to extend him and that he loves playing there. https://montrealgazette.com/sports/hockey/nhl/hockey-inside-out/stu-cowan-kovalchuk-shares-his-joy-and-tips-with-habs-teammates

 

Would he like to have a future here beyond this season?

“We’ll see,” Kovalchuk said. “I’m pretty sure we will have discussions with the GM and my agent will talk to them, so we’ll see what’s going to happen. But, like I’ve said a lot of times, I love everything here and we have a special group here. So it would be fun to stay.”

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5 minutes ago, qwijibo said:

Despite your opinion there is a fair bit of speculation that they are looking to extend him and that he loves playing there. https://montrealgazette.com/sports/hockey/nhl/hockey-inside-out/stu-cowan-kovalchuk-shares-his-joy-and-tips-with-habs-teammates

 

Would he like to have a future here beyond this season?

“We’ll see,” Kovalchuk said. “I’m pretty sure we will have discussions with the GM and my agent will talk to them, so we’ll see what’s going to happen. But, like I’ve said a lot of times, I love everything here and we have a special group here. So it would be fun to stay.”

 

Thanks I read it. "We'll see" isnt confirmation, and every player says they love where they currently are. He didnt stick around with NJ for a rebuild on a monster contract, why would he do it with Montreal? And why wouldnt Montreal want a free pick and try to sign him in offseason?

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7 minutes ago, Davathor said:

 

Thanks I read it. "We'll see" isnt confirmation, and every player says they love where they currently are. He didnt stick around with NJ for a rebuild on a monster contract, why would he do it with Montreal? And why wouldnt Montreal want a free pick and try to sign him in offseason?

I don’t know that he’ll want to stay. I don’t know that they’ll want to bring him back. But what has been obvious so far is that he’s brought a lot to the team. He’s taken the young guys under his wing,  he’s jelled with the vets and he’s been producing.  They may want the bird in the hand instead of a pick that translates to a long shot of getting an NHL player.  They also already have 11 picks in the upcoming draft. 

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