Lancaster Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Feast or famine with the Canucks. Either they score a ton or get stonewalled. Either they shutdown the opposition or they are like Swiss cheese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 7 hours ago, coastal.view said: so tampa ventilated the nucks team scored 9 goals players gave up a bit as the game went on is this just a blip after a 7 game winning streak? reminds me of a game years ago when nucks team was doing fairly well wd was the coach nyr played the nucks (av was their coach) and av dismantled the d system nucks were using at the time afterwards other teams copied his approach and the nucks never recovered or adjusted effectively the nucks team d system was dismantled by the lightening is this something only a team of tampa's talent can implement or does the nuck team have to alter their d system now after having weaknesses exposed by tampa? we'll know soon enough let's see how the next 3 to 5 games go then we'll know how good the current coaches really are We have played a lot of games similar to this. Only, almost, luck decides how many goals we let in. Like goal 5 and 6 that Marky couldn't do anything about. A bounce of a post in the first and lots of bodies in the way on the second. Then Marky gets pulled without playing bad... Marky has saved us in lots of similar games this and last season. So I can't agree that they dismantled our team D system. They were only better to bury the chances they got and had a little bit of luck. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70seven Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Van was in that game. They collapsed. It happens. On to the next. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 2 hours ago, xereau said: The Canucks' rinky dink midget level 5 man collapse system + Tampas speed and puck handling skill = that absolute crapshow from the other night. We all got to see exactly the level at which our coach operates: base. Of course it's the coach's fault... and who's get the credit for the 7 games winning streak before that? Green Men? Hockey Gods? The Sedin's? I mean, I'm not a Green fan at all, but come on! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davathor Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Every team employs tactics, they just took advantage of the mistakes and rode the momentum to a blowout. If they had some secret kryptonite the first period wouldnt have looked like it did. It's a loss, dont get silly over it. That was a tough read too OP - consider some form of formatting next time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerMainLander18 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 It appeared to me that the players broke down after the 4-2 goal. After that, they just started playing without much confidence and it showed. Tampa kept pouring and we just played like a defeated team waiting for the nightmare to be over. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 heavy defeat after 7 wins.... and we are starting to wonder if we have been found out? I think the question is fair, however I think we ought to see if there's a trend, or it was one of these defeat that happens, when the majority of the team just mail it in... Part of learning that nothing comes for free in this league... Wait until there is a trend, before we start worry about it.... For too many we are either Cup champs or league chumps... it's a process... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Myers, Fantenberg and Marky were awful. Edler was off but it was one of those Edler things and we're better with than without him. Took a crushing hit too. Tampa's going all in again and, by the time they hit the playoffs, will have already celebrated the cup, drank all the champagne and be hungover as hell. Someone get a broom. I'm giving Marky a pass. He has 3 or 4 more "get out of jail free" cards for previous performances where he earned them. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kushman Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Fire green crew back in town? I ate crow during the 7 game winning streak, but my analysis of how the team has been playing hasn't changed. The winning streak, coupled with some stellar goaltending has greatly masked the teams lack of defense. (Defensive system, not players). Throughout the streak we've been giving up a ton of shots and have only got out of those games by the skin of marky and demko, we all knew it wasn't sustainable. I do think Green has been improving (using timeouts appropriately finally) but Nolan bumgardner has been a total disaster. Nothing has changed. It was a mistake hiring a rookie coach and bringing along a rookie assistant. Is there a chance Green stays and Nolan goes if the team keeps getting hemmed in their own zone? Do both go? Or will we continue to put up 3-5 goals a game and hope marky or demko can shut the door at an unbelievable rate? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 50 minutes ago, timberz21 said: Of course it's the coach's fault... and who's get the credit for the 7 games winning streak before that? Green Men? Hockey Gods? The Sedin's? I mean, I'm not a Green fan at all, but come on! I don't think anyone has said fire Green but he has to grow/change the way he coaches to take pressure off the D , and to use the pests on the team the way they should be , would help that but we're to busy playing it safe and passing up hits to play the puck instead. I'm not a green fan either but the D system hasn't worked for awhile didn't Gubby make a comment about how different it was to play a different D system that works...(I'm paralyzingly acourse) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 The Lightning weren't that calculating. We were simply on the wrong side of momentum after our streak. Tampa's a talented team that's just now coming together. Stamkos had early production struggles along with Brayden Point. They're both now playing to their talent. Killorn has been super hot. After being relatively inconsistent and underperforming early this year, Vasilevskiy has also found his game in net. We just ran into a team that was still elevating their game. Tampa had an extra gear whereas we hit our wall. Had we played them earlier in our streak, say the third game, we might have been able to match them better in momentum. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted January 9, 2020 Author Share Posted January 9, 2020 a lot of strong opinions on this issue i see most seem unhappy the subject is even being raised when a team gets shellacked that also indicates that the systems failed i don't have a strong view on whether the nucks are at a crossroads here it simply reminded me of an earlier game years ago against nyr i believe it was in wd first season .. i can go back and check my posts as i specifically commented on this at that time and the nucks never recovered after that game i mostly need 3 to 5 games to see if this tampa game was a 1 off or the start of a trend of how other teams attack the nuck team d you can bet teams were having a look at how the nucks were playing when they won 7 in a row the game today, florida, may provide some more info but i think it will take a small stretch of games to know 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirotashi Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 What structure are you referring to? We have no structure because we keep mixing and matching. This team proved with that loss we are WAY WAYYYY off from being a legit playoff team. Myers is on the ice for like 4-5 of those goals and hes considered to be one of our better Dmen. We have almost zero defensive structure throughout the team because we have a terrible coach and a terrible assistant coach. Teams that are playoff bound do not have to mix lines the way we do. We had an easy month to win some should win games and now that we are actually tested we were exposed for the weak defensive team that we are. Are we fun to watch and scoring some goals yes! But we have literally nothing else going for us; We arent tough. We dont hit anybody. We have sh itty Dmen. We lack a true NHL caliber coach. We lack the ability to change tactics on the fly. Markstrom chokes under pressure. I love were this team is going but last game showed us some issues that have been GLARING issues since the start of the season. A soon as this team faces any sort of adversity in another team that is actually geared towards the playoffs not some middling team, we fold. Not because we lack forwards with character and skill but because that is ALL we have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xereau Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, timberz21 said: Of course it's the coach's fault... and who's get the credit for the 7 games winning streak before that? Green Men? Hockey Gods? The Sedin's? I mean, I'm not a Green fan at all, but come on! The same system won them the last games, but they were outshot 2:1 in most of the team held on by the skin of their asses. The system sucks man, and it's very likely to get worse now that Tampa's shown the league how to embarrass us. Any team with speed and puck handling prowess is going to continue to crush this team, as they have all season. You do not need to be a Green fan to see that the passive defensive system is a pathetic lowbrow joke. Edited January 9, 2020 by xereau 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 11 hours ago, coastal.view said: the nucks team d system was dismantled by the lightening Pretty bad take there, wadr. Look at the goals that were scored -- Myers flub and one Marky should have stopped, then came the deluge. Bad bounces, no-call on interference, and missed saves. That blew the game open in the space of 1 minute and it was all over. Not a whole lot that that can be taken from that game imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, xereau said: The same system won them the last games, but they were outshot 2:1 in most of the team held on by the skin of their asses. Seemingly omitted in all the celebratory happiness. 4 minutes ago, xereau said: The system sucks man, and it's very likely to get worse now that Tampa's shown the league how to embarrass us. Today's game will be telling. Florida has the horses to make it happen, and a coach who is a master tactician. 4 minutes ago, xereau said: Any team with speed and puck handling prowess is going to continue to crush this team, as they have all season. Especially since Vancouver can't maintain a consistent level physicality to combat it, and the defensive systems are woefully predictable. 4 minutes ago, xereau said: You do not need to be a Green fan to see that the passive defensive system is a pathetic lowbrow joke. Well said. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted January 9, 2020 Author Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Gaudette Celly said: Pretty bad take there, wadr. Look at the goals that were scored -- Myers flub and one Marky should have stopped, then came the deluge. Bad bounces, no-call on interference, and missed saves. That blew the game open in the space of 1 minute and it was all over. Not a whole lot that that can be taken from that game imo. right just a whole lot of bad luck is that you matt murray?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, coastal.view said: right just a whole lot of bad luck is that you matt murray?? Marky don't roll like dat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 22 minutes ago, xereau said: The same system won them the last games, but they were outshot 2:1 in most of the team held on by the skin of their asses. The system sucks man, and it's very likely to get worse now that Tampa's shown the league how to embarrass us. Any team with speed and puck handling prowess is going to continue to crush this team, as they have all season. You do not need to be a Green fan to see that the passive defensive system is a pathetic lowbrow joke. I'm not arguing anything about Green or the system. Just think it's a little too easy and simplistic to attribute this beating to that and from now on, the Canucks will give up 6+ goals to any good team. Unless we see a trend coming in the next few weeks, that game remains just a bad game and we move on. I mean Washington has given up 7 goals and NYI 8 goals in a game this year and both are low goal against team and they haven't been "expose" because of these games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xereau Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, timberz21 said: I'm not arguing anything about Green or the system. Just think it's a little too easy and simplistic to attribute this beating to that and from now on, the Canucks will give up 6+ goals to any good team. Unless we see a trend coming in the next few weeks, that game remains just a bad game and we move on. I mean Washington has given up 7 goals and NYI 8 goals in a game this year and both are low goal against team and they haven't been "expose" because of these games. It was a few things all coming together to pile on, like bad goal tending, and guys giving up, but I am certain that the root of the problem is quite literally having the strategy of allowing the other team nearly unfettered access to your offensive zone. The team goes to the middle of the ice. They block shots, and they interrupt passes, and the strategy which is being coached into them daily, is to not chase and to not take the man once the other team has set up. And they let the other team set up, because, their defensive system, entails going to the middle of the ice, which creates vicious circle of problematic parts of a system, that feeds back upon itself. Giving away the puck as a system? I freaking hate it, man. It's 'a' system, and other teams are doing it some as well. But its not the only system, and I find it hard to watch because it's quite frankly little more than board room nerds' statistical theories being played out on ice, rather than hockey. It reeks on many levels, and I could go on, but I won't. Edited January 9, 2020 by xereau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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