Our Defensemen playing GOALIE

[TheNewGM]

Its been countless times I have seen Myers and Edler , and other standing within an inch of our goalie, often inside the crease trying to play goalie.. I am a goalie , and I would just push you out of my way if it was me, but for gods sakes guys.. GO GET THE PUCK! Do what your goalie cannot do , and use your stick to check , whack, stop passes etc. STOP TRYING TO BLOCK SHOTS WHILE STANDING STILL NEAR THE GOALIE!! about 95-99% of the time a Dman cannnot block shots in such a way because your gear is rounded, and even if the puck hits you it will go through you.. BUT its almost never hits you. Block a shot from the shooter if you miss with your stick WHILE CHECKING HIM.

 

Please stop trying to play goalie. defensemen suck at playing goal..you dont have the gear for it..and you often screen your goalie to boot..keep your feet moving and attack the shooter instead of playing as a terrible Goalie with no pads... thanks

[189lb enforcers?]

 

 

 

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[coastal.view]

why are you telling me this?

i do not play on your team

go tell your on dmen that

your team clearly has terrible communication issues

 

tell you what

give me the names and numbers of your dmen

and i'll speak to them on your behalf

only this one time, in future you need to talk to them yourself

 

[Rick Blight]

12 minutes ago, TheNewGM said:

Its been countless times I have seen Myers and Edler , and other standing within an inch of our goalie, often inside the crease trying to play goalie.. I am a goalie , and I would just push you out of my way if it was me, but for gods sakes guys.. GO GET THE PUCK! Do what your goalie cannot do , and use your stick to check , whack, stop passes etc. STOP TRYING TO BLOCK SHOTS WHILE STANDING STILL NEAR THE GOALIE!! about 95-99% of the time a Dman cannnot block shots in such a way because your gear is rounded, and even if the puck hits you it will go through you.. BUT its almost never hits you. Block a shot from the shooter if you miss with your stick WHILE CHECKING HIM.

 

Please stop trying to play goalie. defensemen suck at playing goal..you dont have the gear for it..and you often screen your goalie to boot..keep your feet moving and attack the shooter instead of playing as a terrible Goalie with no pads... thanks

You have singled out Myers and Edler but I think they are all guilty of doing this to a certain extent. Unfortunately, I think it will continue until the coaches stop this "everybody collapse to the net" system and implement something more aggressive.

[goalie13]

As a fellow goalie, I think every player on the ice should take a turn between the pipes in a scrimmage.  It gives them a whole new appreciation of how much we can't see.

 

Back in the day I had a D-man that used to often 'coach' me on the ice.  We swapped spots for a scrimmage and he got lit up.  He never tried to coach me again.  I like to think it made him a better defenseman too.

[-AJ-]

54 minutes ago, goalie13 said:

As a fellow goalie, I think every player on the ice should take a turn between the pipes in a scrimmage.  It gives them a whole new appreciation of how much we can't see.

 

Back in the day I had a D-man that used to often 'coach' me on the ice.  We swapped spots for a scrimmage and he got lit up.  He never tried to coach me again.  I like to think it made him a better defenseman too.

I think it's of critical importance that defensemen make a concerted effort to block it. It's part of the reason I dislike the "chicken leg" block attempt--seems like a low percentage attempt that just screens your goalie. 

[Guest]

42 minutes ago, goalie13 said:

As a fellow goalie, I think every player on the ice should take a turn between the pipes in a scrimmage.  It gives them a whole new appreciation of how much we can't see.

 

Back in the day I had a D-man that used to often 'coach' me on the ice.  We swapped spots for a scrimmage and he got lit up.  He never tried to coach me again.  I like to think it made him a better defenseman too.

I usually play defenseman but one day the one of our goalies couldn't come so I decided I would play goalie so we could start the game. 

 

Was way tougher than I thought. I relied a lot on playing well positionally and cut off the angle. At first the players couldn't score on me cause I gave them nothing to shoot at. 

Afterwards the players on the other team adapted and came in close range and did all these dekes around me which in my opinion are very hard to stop as a goalie cause you have no idea where the puck will end up till its too late. My team still won the game by one goal but it was a hard fought win.

 

The thing that surprised me the most was the amount of focus and attention you need even when the puck is in the other end. You always have to know where the puck is and it is very mentally draining. I was totally exhausted by the end  (more exhausted than when I play defense). When your defense, you can at least change but when your goalie, your on there for long periods of time. Our 60 min game only had one 5 min intermission cause we started late so it sucked playing goalie. 

 

After that experience, I am very reluctant to criticize goalies and gained a lot of respect for them. 

 

 

[cuporbust]

3 hours ago, coastal.view said:

why are you telling me this?

i do not play on your team

go tell your on dmen that

your team clearly has terrible communication issues

 

tell you what

give me the names and numbers of your dmen

and i'll speak to them on your behalf

only this one time, in future you need to talk to them yourself

 

Edited January 10, 2020 by cuporbust

[N7Nucks]

5 hours ago, coastal.view said:

why are you telling me this?

i do not play on your team

go tell your on dmen that

your team clearly has terrible communication issues

 

tell you what

give me the names and numbers of your dmen

and i'll speak to them on your behalf

only this one time, in future you need to talk to them yourself

 

Good add to the conversation. 

[Toyotasfan]

[snucks]

Canucks D men have gotten too reliant on their goaltenders. For a quite a while they have gotten away with puck watching in front of their goalie. The coach has also gotten away with the status quo. Apart from Hughes the D isn't mobile enough. Canucks often stop skating and just watch the other team, and they obstruct their own goalie. As always its tough being a goal tender for the Canucks.

[MikeyD]

22 hours ago, goalie13 said:

As a fellow goalie, I think every player on the ice should take a turn between the pipes in a scrimmage.  It gives them a whole new appreciation of how much we can't see.

 

Back in the day I had a D-man that used to often 'coach' me on the ice.  We swapped spots for a scrimmage and he got lit up.  He never tried to coach me again.  I like to think it made him a better defenseman too.

Holy dyna is there anything more annoying than a dman or a forward trying to tell a goalie how to goalie?! NOPE!

[MikeyD]

21 hours ago, Unknown1995 said:

I usually play defenseman but one day the one of our goalies couldn't come so I decided I would play goalie so we could start the game. 

 

Was way tougher than I thought. I relied a lot on playing well positionally and cut off the angle. At first the players couldn't score on me cause I gave them nothing to shoot at. 

Afterwards the players on the other team adapted and came in close range and did all these dekes around me which in my opinion are very hard to stop as a goalie cause you have no idea where the puck will end up till its too late. My team still won the game by one goal but it was a hard fought win.

 

The thing that surprised me the most was the amount of focus and attention you need even when the puck is in the other end. You always have to know where the puck is and it is very mentally draining. I was totally exhausted by the end  (more exhausted than when I play defense). When your defense, you can at least change but when your goalie, your on there for long periods of time. Our 60 min game only had one 5 min intermission cause we started late so it sucked playing goalie. 

 

After that experience, I am very reluctant to criticize goalies and gained a lot of respect for them. 

 

 

And as a goalie you can't afford to have an off night mentally. In other sports like soccer your hands and feet tend to be more second nature and you don't need the tracking you do with a puck to consistently put rebounds where you need or to absorb a puck, etc. You have to track the puck so much more in the sport of hockey because of the size of the thing they're trying to score on you with. That's what makes it so fun though, in my opinion. 

[250Integra]

Nolan Baumgartner's collapsing D style...

 

 

Newell Brown's static PP...

 

[CptCanuck16]

On 1/10/2020 at 10:15 AM, snucks said:

. The coach has also gotten away with the status quo.

I think this is the root of the problem.  TG thinks the systems his coaching staff have implemented work well and he sees no reason to change anything.  A successful coach strives for improvement no matter how well their team is doing in the standings.  I do not believe Green has that kind of attitude. 

[CptCanuck16]

On 1/10/2020 at 2:00 PM, 250Integra said:

Nolan Baumgartner's collapsing D style...

 

 

Newell Brown's static PP...

 

Don't forget about the dismal breakout system. 

[Boeser#1fan]

Good topic.. 
I like all the goalie perspective anwser's

 

I played Goal too and it is all about angels, reflexes and luck.. You do have to be mentally strong especially to just let the ones that do go in you need to brush off and restart. 

For the D I often think this a lot of the time.. I mean I know they are doing their best and they do block a lot of shots. But I am sure it gets really frustrating when goals go off of your own player when if they had just checked the guy maybe he wouldn't even had got the shot off. 
Or if you are out there defending then it is easier to follow the play and see the puck then up close and personal. 

I wish Myers would use his size instead of flopping around on the ice. For the one time he gets the puck there are 3 where he fails. I think for all the D if you are in the right position then the puck will hit you , no need to be flailing around trying to stop it. Take the man take the man@!

[TheNewGM]

Edler and Myers playing goalie already results in two goals against in 2 minutes.. GTFO OUT OF THE WAY " PRO" D MEN.....!!!!

 

edit, one under net one offside turned back but still!

I couldnt believe I was looking Myers fat ass inside the net at 19:20 start of the game already.. gd it.. stay out of your goalies crease lol!!

Edited January 15, 2020 by TheNewGM

[GB5]

Yes, it seems the current style is to collapse around the net as if on a penalty kill and allow the other team to cycle freely in the corners. This team has very mobile defenders who should be able to use that to stop the offensive players and stop the cycle but they need to trust their skill more.

 

 

I'll also add that as a defenseman, I'd be glad to not play goal and get in the goalies way. 

One caveat though, goalies have to stop thinking that they are playing out and making suicide passes or giveaways because they want so desperately to over handle the puck.

[VIC_CITY]

On 1/9/2020 at 3:35 PM, Rick Blight said:

You have singled out Myers and Edler but I think they are all guilty of doing this to a certain extent. Unfortunately, I think it will continue until the coaches stop this "everybody collapse to the net" system and implement something more aggressive.

Even Pettersson has done this (god love Petey). You will never stop this. Players who compete never give up on a puck. Doesn't matter if they're near the blue paint or at the top of the D zone, they're going to try and get infront of the shot. I know sometimes down low they end up looking stupid but you know what looks even worse? When they jump out of the way. 

 

#Edler4Vezina

Edited January 16, 2020 by VIC_CITY