JM_ Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: Who it is I don't know but guys like MacKay are a joke. Was there for all the added debt, military cuts, infact overseen the cuts as the very minister responsible. Honestly and this will make @Warhippy happy but what can he run on that differs from the liberals? He doesn't wear pink socks? I think Trudeau would be very happy to go up against MacKay. I think his worst nightmare is Ambrose. Much of his virtue signalling fails to work against her. She's also shown she was willing to work with him for new-NAFTA, so out of the gate she's already reasonable and Trudeau picked her for her abilities. So he can't tear her down that way either. But, my money is now on MacKay, I don't think the base will be able to resist Harpers man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 (edited) Mackay is at least not a social conservative is he ? Also, he is a rugby supporter so you gotta like that about him...... At least he is not an American citizen this time... LOL Politicians tend to let you down the more you see them though... Edited January 16, 2020 by kingofsurrey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duodenum Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Whoever it is needs to get a handle on this guy: Secret Document Exposes Doug Ford’s Plan To Replace Human Teachers With Cheap Computers https://pressprogress.ca/secret-document-exposes-doug-fords-plan-to-replace-human-teachers-with-cheap-computers/ Documents obtained by the Toronto Star show Doug Ford’s government is planning successive cuts to Ontario school boards into 2023. Notably, the documents show Ford’s government wants to replace human teachers with computers, suggesting Ontario will be “progressively increasing” e-learning enrolment targets for “cost saving and revenue generation.” The document also outlines one idea to let teenagers obtain high school diplomas “entirely online” by 2024. The Star reports the plan calls for $34.8 million less funding for school boards starting September 2020, $55.8 million in 2021, $56.7 million in 2022 and $57.4 million in 2023-2024. Following that, it projects “continued cost saving of $57.4 million annually with full catalogue of online ‘gold standard’ courses.” It further reads: “School boards will be required to meet progressively increasing minimum targets for student enrolment in online learning courses.” To generate revenue, the Star reports, the document suggests the province “market” the opposed online Ontario curriculum to out of province students and examine the feasibility of “selling licensing rights.” Ford’s Education Minister Stephen Lecce has defended the move by noting several Republican-held US states already have mandatory e-learning. Lecce has pointed to “Alabama” and “Arkansas” as good examples of the education model he wants to import to Ontario. According to a 2018 report by the Michigan Virtual Learning Research Institute, the pass rate for students in online courses in Michigan was as low as 60%. The pass rate among students from low-income households was even lower, dropping to 48%. “Michigan … has done a lot of research on its e-learning program, and it’s been shown to be a failure year after year,” Farhadi explained. Nothing screams elite education like Alabama and Arkansas . 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, Duodenum said: Whoever it is needs to get a handle on this guy: Secret Document Exposes Doug Ford’s Plan To Replace Human Teachers With Cheap Computers https://pressprogress.ca/secret-document-exposes-doug-fords-plan-to-replace-human-teachers-with-cheap-computers/ Documents obtained by the Toronto Star show Doug Ford’s government is planning successive cuts to Ontario school boards into 2023. Notably, the documents show Ford’s government wants to replace human teachers with computers, suggesting Ontario will be “progressively increasing” e-learning enrolment targets for “cost saving and revenue generation.” The document also outlines one idea to let teenagers obtain high school diplomas “entirely online” by 2024. The Star reports the plan calls for $34.8 million less funding for school boards starting September 2020, $55.8 million in 2021, $56.7 million in 2022 and $57.4 million in 2023-2024. Following that, it projects “continued cost saving of $57.4 million annually with full catalogue of online ‘gold standard’ courses.” It further reads: “School boards will be required to meet progressively increasing minimum targets for student enrolment in online learning courses.” To generate revenue, the Star reports, the document suggests the province “market” the opposed online Ontario curriculum to out of province students and examine the feasibility of “selling licensing rights.” Ford’s Education Minister Stephen Lecce has defended the move by noting several Republican-held US states already have mandatory e-learning. Lecce has pointed to “Alabama” and “Arkansas” as good examples of the education model he wants to import to Ontario. According to a 2018 report by the Michigan Virtual Learning Research Institute, the pass rate for students in online courses in Michigan was as low as 60%. The pass rate among students from low-income households was even lower, dropping to 48%. “Michigan … has done a lot of research on its e-learning program, and it’s been shown to be a failure year after year,” Farhadi explained. Nothing screams elite education like Alabama and Arkansas . I guess the good news is that future generations of Ontarians will know how to make Moonshine and play the Banjo.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 19 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: Mackay is at least not a social conservative is he ? Also, he is a rugby supporter so you gotta like that about him...... At least he is not an American citizen this time... LOL Politicians tend to let you down the more you see them though... Well he did have a fling with Condoleeza Rice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said: I guess the good news is that future generations of Ontarians will know how to make Moonshine and play the Banjo.... Horgan is not much better . CC dismantled BC public education and Horgan is finishing off the job........ Canada is sinking.. Sounds like a T. Hip song... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 I just got a text from Beth with the Conservatives. Told her to send noods if she wants me to answer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 I asked about Mackay in early December. The consensus from most on here was that he wouldn't be a good choice. Regardless, what do you guys now think his chances are of getting the leadership? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 26 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: I asked about Mackay in early December. The consensus from most on here was that he wouldn't be a good choice. Regardless, what do you guys now think his chances are of getting the leadership? If he does the first liberal attack and and rightfully so. Peter is trash. Smart guy but trash. MacKay took military jet to lobster fest 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Ryan Strome said: If he does the first liberal attack and and rightfully so. Peter is trash. Smart guy but trash. MacKay took military jet to lobster fest Despicable.... ....unless he parachuted out....then it's badass.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: If he does the first liberal attack and and rightfully so. Peter is trash. Smart guy but trash. MacKay took military jet to lobster fest I remember hip pointing out a few of his discrepancies... 'entirely self serving. he has some serious gaffes in his background, not including the $44k photo op in the mock up F-35. the F-35 portfolio as well as the military bungles over a decade not even mentioning the coast guard crab fish.' My question is, what do you think his chances of winning leadership are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 14 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: I remember hip pointing out a few of his discrepancies... 'entirely self serving. he has some serious gaffes in his background, not including the $44k photo op in the mock up F-35. the F-35 portfolio as well as the military bungles over a decade not even mentioning the coast guard crab fish.' My question is, what do you think his chances of winning leadership are? I don't think good. At this point I say Pollievre and O'toole and if the cpc is smart go with Erin O'toole. Don't matter to me I'm voting wexit federally and wexit Alberta provincially. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabychStache Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 My hope is Poilivre. I’ve had an opportunity to speak with him one on one a few years back. Very bright guy, strong backbone, and what I like the best is that he’s got a depth of understanding from various areas of the country. He’s lived, worked, studied, etc all over. He’d govern in a practical, boring manner. Which i would welcome with open arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 On 1/16/2020 at 3:06 PM, Shift-4 said: I just got a text from Beth with the Conservatives. Told her to send noods if she wants me to answer. careful, you might get picks of Stockwell Day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 21 hours ago, Ryan Strome said: I don't think good. At this point I say Pollievre and O'toole and if the cpc is smart go with Erin O'toole. Don't matter to me I'm voting wexit federally and wexit Alberta provincially. I dunno... he seems pretty connected to the social conservatives (just like Poutine Poilievre) and is back with the 'mandatory minimums' thing that already got shot down once by the SCoC. It might be popular with the base but its a failed recipe to win in Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) Lip Stick . on a pig. Conservatives with their extreme views on social policy are unelectable. Edited January 18, 2020 by kingofsurrey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said: careful, you might get picks of Stockwell Day Sorry.....when is Stockwell Day again.... .....first Monday after Lent? (Can't keep all these holidays straight....) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said: careful, you might get picks of Stockwell Day 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 I think this opinion piece has it right. Its very clear that Harper's man is MacKay, and its interesting that Harper is also investing in keeping Charest out of the race. Its fascinating that Ambrose is going to have to likely go up against her old boss Harper and the weight he'll put behind MacKay. It could get ugly. If she doesn't run, its basically a coronation for P-Mac. OPINION Who will be the next Tory leader? Ask Rona Ambrose. Stephen Maher: The path is clearing for Peter MacKay. The one big thing standing in his way is the great hope of Western Conservatives. by Stephen Maher Jan 17, 2020 MacKay and Ambrose take part in a news conference about the purchase of F-35 fighter jets on Parliament Hill on Dec. 12, 2012 (CP/Fred Chartrand) If Western Canadian Conservatives don’t want Peter MacKay to lead the party that Stephen Harper built, they need to twist Rona Ambrose’s arm, because otherwise MacKay is likely going to take over the party when Tories meet in Toronto in June. In-house polling from several other camps shows MacKay with a double-digit lead on Pierre Poilievre and Erin O’Toole, which means he is likely to win if Ambrose stays out. A lot can change in a six-month race, but MacKay has such a commanding lead that former Quebec premier Jean Charest is likely going to decide to stay on the sidelines. Charest, one of the cleverest politicians of his generation, badly wants to run, and he would be a formidable opponent for Justin Trudeau. He would offer centrist voters the opportunity to get rid of the Liberals without putting social conservatives and fossil fuel lobbyists in the driver’s seat. But the westerners who built the Conservative Party do not want to surrender it to a Montreal Liberal who supported the gun registry and is getting paid to advise Huawei. READ MORE: Stephen Harper resigns from the Conservative Fund board to block Jean Charest Stephen Harper peremptorily moved to stop Team Charest this week when the former prime minister stepped down from the board of the Conservative Fund and sources toldPaul Wells that he was doing so to free himself to oppose Charest. Harper is wise to wash his hands of the fund, which he has controlled, along with former senator Irving Gerstein, since the party was founded. A new leader will no doubt have observed that if Andrew Scheer had put in people loyal to him in charge of the board, he might not have had to quit suddenly when it was revealed that the party had been paying school fees for his children. Whoever wins in June will want their own people on the board, so Harper might as well get out now and avoid whatever unpleasant tidying up is necessary to close the books on the Scheer interregnum. The day after Harper fired a shot across Charest’s bow, MacKay announced that he was going to run. The next day, the Supreme Court of Canada rejected an appeal by Charest’s former fundraiser, which allowed legal documents to be published that cast ugly new light on an ongoing investigation that has already revealed a disturbing pattern of corrupt financing when Charest was running Quebec. Charest has to know that if he runs for the leadership his campaign could be undermined by fresh revelations from that investigation, that he is polling well behind MacKay, that Harper is prepared to move against him and that most party members already regard him with deep suspicion. If he runs and does badly, it could make him look foolish, which would not help him in his advisory business, so I expect he will conclude that discretion is the better part of valour. That means that the path is clear for MacKay, unless Ambrose can be persuaded to give up her directorships and pleasant life with her husband, J.P. Veitch, an investment banker and former rodeo rider, who is said to be unenthusiastic about playing the political spouse again. If Brad Wall and Jason Kenney and their friends succeed in twisting J.P. and Rona’s arms, Ambrose would immediately be the frontrunner, with MacKay a distant second. If she stays out, the field is clear for MacKay. Add a random social conservative to the mix, and you have a four-way race that MacKay will likely win without much trouble. That isn’t to say he is the best candidate. That’s not immediately clear, although the worst candidate is easy. I find Poilievre alienating. He is smart and hard-working and has quickly built a strong campaign team, and has moved decisively to respond to the questions about same-sex marriage and abortion that Scheer could never handle. But I will be surprised if he can connect with the membership, let alone Canadians who are suspicious of his party, not because of his policy positions, whatever they are, but because he comes across as mean and smug, a robotic and nasty spouter of talking points, an effective and skin-shredding opposition critic but not someone you would want to run the country. O’Toole, on the other hand, has a lot to recommend him. A former Sea King tactical navigator, corporate lawyer and scandal-free minister in the Harper government, he is the kind of person we should want running the country: a hard-working family man, smart, seemingly ethical, with a nerdy interest in policy details and an open, friendly manner. But he did not bring any kind of fight to Scheer in the last leadership race, so if he wants to beat MacKay he had better do something different this time, and he is never going to be as telegenic as, say, a bowl of milk. MacKay, on the other hand, is great on TV, and his wife, Nazanin Afshin-Jam, a human rights activist and former Miss World Canada, is as comfortable in front of the cameras as he is. True, MacKay is not a deep thinker, but neither is Trudeau. Both men are the scions of politicians, born to the business, which means they have good instincts, deep connections to the party and an equally deep sense of entitlement. That may be why both have sometimes shown poor judgment at the intersection of their private and political lives, where politicians often get in trouble: Trudeau by staying at the private island of a billionaire, MacKay by using a military chopper to pick him up at a fishing camp. Like Trudeau, MacKay makes gaffes from time to time, but if gaffes were fatal, Trudeau wouldn’t be prime minister. Unlike Scheer, who was not really in the same league as the prime minister, MacKay likely has the moves necessary, the fighting spirit, to take on Trudeau. But Ambrose would be better, and the Tories all know it, and they have got to be twisting her arm awfully hard. CORRECTION, Jan, 18, 2020: An earlier version of this story incorrectly stated that Erin O’Toole was a Sea King pilot. He was a tactical navigator. https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/who-will-be-the-next-tory-leader-ask-rona-ambrose/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 On 1/18/2020 at 8:43 AM, BabychStache said: My hope is Poilivre. I’ve had an opportunity to speak with him one on one a few years back. Very bright guy, strong backbone, and what I like the best is that he’s got a depth of understanding from various areas of the country. He’s lived, worked, studied, etc all over. He’d govern in a practical, boring manner. Which i would welcome with open arms. Excuse me, where did he work? On 1/18/2020 at 9:35 AM, kingofsurrey said: Lip Stick . on a pig. Conservatives with their extreme views on social policy are unelectable. Well they did get the most votes in the election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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