HKSR Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: By all accounts of people I know/trust and follow the WHL, he has been a far less impactful player this season than last and appears almost tentative in compare. His team was a preseason selection as a top 5 CHL team for Memorial Cup and are instead struggling to make the playoffs with largely same lineup. As a 16 year old in WHL he turned many heads by scoring 6 goals and amassing 27 points over 60 low minute games. As as 17 year old he was dominant and in 67 games he had 26 goals and 71 points in regular season and followed by 26 points in 22 playoff games and an OT loss away from M Cup. As a draft 18 year old he is on pace (projected to same 67 games ) to score 6 goals and get 42 points. Pretty pedestrian. Hope for his sake the observations I am hearing and the statistics I can see are just bumps in the road. I was fortunate to watch WJC live and he was NOT that impressive and far from best D on Canada let alone even in top 10 in the tournament. Exactly what I thought as well. I know it doesn't mean he won't be an impactful player, but like I said, not a gamble I'd be willing to take with a proven talent like Boeser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: Better idea, Colorado can score just fine. What they need is players like Ferland/Leivo. Why not keep Boeser and trade them for Byrum? Oh - can't? That is because you can't replace quality with quantity. In any event, Colorado needs Boeser far less than they need someone to solidify their "toughness". Calvert is plenty tough. Johnson, Cole, Landeskog will fight too. I don't see their team lacking toughness. Leivo averages less than 0.5 hits per game. Canucks apparently the only team willing to give Ferland 4 years given his concussion history - now that teams have been proven right it seems much less likely for anyone to have interest given the risk. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 minute ago, HKSR said: I don't know if you're talking Jack or Quinn Hughes, but both looked dominant in the WJC. Jack was injured as well and a young 17 y/o, but when he played, he clearly showed why he was gonna go #1 OA. We won't talk about Quinn, cuz clearly he was extremely dominant in the WJC. I know that WJC does not a player make, but it also gives you an idea of how good a player could be playing against the best-of-the-best peer group. It’s not Byrsm’s poor WJC for me. It’s his regression in the WHL where he’s playing against boys that has me wondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, mll said: Calvert is plenty tough. Johnson, Cole, Landeskog will fight too. I don't see their team lacking toughness. Leivo averages less than 0.5 hits per game. Canucks apparently the only team willing to give Ferland 4 years given his concussion history - now that teams have been proven right it seems much less likely for anyone to have interest given the risk. Yet you want these two more than Boeser....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: Yet you want these two more than Boeser....... Don't understand what you mean. Any team is significantly better off with Boeser rather than Ferland or Leivo. Edited January 29, 2020 by mll 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, HKSR said: I don't know if you're talking Jack or Quinn Hughes, but both looked dominant in the WJC. Jack was injured as well and a young 17 y/o, but when he played, he clearly showed why he was gonna go #1 OA. We won't talk about Quinn, cuz clearly he was extremely dominant in the WJC. I know that WJC does not a player make, but it also gives you an idea of how good a player could be playing against the best-of-the-best peer group. Quinn. He far from dominated at either WJC. 3 points in 7 and 2 points in 7 respectively. There was much angst Not sure what you're remembering... And pretty much on par with Byram's 2 points in more of a 2 way (vs more offensive for Quinn) role (while sick). Edited January 29, 2020 by aGENT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, mll said: Don't understand what you mean. Any team is significantly better off with Boeser rather than Ferland or Leivo. We fully agree on something. Misunderstood, thought you were supporting this trade concept. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, aGENT said: Quinn. He far from dominated at either WJC. 3 points in 7 and 2 points in 7 respectively. There was much angst Not sure what you're remembering... And pretty much on par with Byram's 2 points in more of a 2 way (vs more offensive for Quinn) role. Hughes has a MASSIVE season post draft with both increased production in College let alone being involved overseas with US NHL players at WHC. I don't think anyone is using just the WJC but the entire season. I am hearing he has regressed and statistically, there is evidence for it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squamfan Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 43 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnuckleHead16 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) All sorts of wrong here! Bowen hasn’t proved anything lolol! Why give up scoring?!? when we already have Hughes! Bowen would be nice. But definitely not for Brock that’s just stupid imho! Edited January 29, 2020 by KnuckleHead16 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 9 minutes ago, aGENT said: Quinn. He far from dominated at either WJC. 3 points in 7 and 2 points in 7 respectively. There was much angst Not sure what you're remembering... And pretty much on par with Byram's 2 points in more of a 2 way (vs more offensive for Quinn) role (while sick). He might not have put up big points, but he drove the USA offence from the back-end exactly the same way he's doing for the Canucks now. He was an impactful player for sure on a powerful USA team. Byram on the other hand was barely noticeable at times. Like others said, he has regressed. It was noticeable at the WJC too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 13 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: Hughes has a MASSIVE season post draft with both increased production in College let alone being involved overseas with US NHL players at WHC. I don't think anyone is using just the WJC but the entire season. I am hearing he has regressed and statistically, there is evidence for it. The other poster and I were discussing his WJC specifically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dats hockey Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Swindle joe out of Makar and you got a deal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 8 minutes ago, aGENT said: The other poster and I were discussing his WJC specifically. And I was adding something more generally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 I like the idea but byram didnt look great at the wjc imo. Small sample size but it's all I've seen of him and I wasn't impressed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 While Bowen Byram is a top tier defensive prospect... he's still just a prospect whereas Boeser is a bona fide top-6 winger. Unless Colorado is willing to throw in another pick or prospect as "insurance", it's better to keep Boeser. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper007 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Lancaster said: While Bowen Byram is a top tier defensive prospect... he's still just a prospect whereas Boeser is a bona fide top-6 winger. Unless Colorado is willing to throw in another pick or prospect as "insurance", it's better to keep Boeser. I agree, I would want more than just Byram for Boeser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, Lancaster said: While Bowen Byram is a top tier defensive prospect... he's still just a prospect whereas Boeser is a bona fide top-6 winger. Unless Colorado is willing to throw in another pick or prospect as "insurance", it's better to keep Boeser. 3 minutes ago, Viper007 said: I agree, I would want more than just Byram for Boeser 1 hour ago, aGENT said: We also add a likely future 1st pair D to play with Hughes, who's from BC and playing on the local Junior team (and I'd imagine a pick or other asset given Boeser's current value presently outweighs his). 1 hour ago, aGENT said: Oh for sure there's some risk. I'd imagine Byram's fairly 'safe' as far as bets go, stranger things have happened though. One of the reasons I'd imagine we get another asset (pick?) to offset that risk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curmudgeon Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Better idea: As a humanitarian move, send Brock home to Minnesota straight up for Kirill Kaprizov. Minnesota gets a home town hero who would be a key piece to their rebuild and Vancouver gets a very talented Russian to play with Podkolzin and Tryamkin. Who says no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 14 minutes ago, Curmudgeon said: Better idea: As a humanitarian move, send Brock home to Minnesota straight up for Kirill Kaprizov. Minnesota gets a home town hero who would be a key piece to their rebuild and Vancouver gets a very talented Russian to play with Podkolzin and Tryamkin. Who says no? Straight up? Then no. As others have mentioned, BB is an NHLer. Maybe something along the lines of... BB + Stetcher for Dumba + Kaprizov Then I would think about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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