Guest Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Since 2010 the Coyotes have lost $135.7 million dollars. The best they've done is lost only $4.5 million in 2015. https://www.forbes.com/teams/arizona-coyotes/#2b75efbb6477 He doesn't want to lose his T.V deal for Phoenix. Such a stupid strategy. Phoenix should be relocated to Quebec city, I mean they even have an arena ready. Edited January 31, 2020 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCNeil Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 1 hour ago, mll said: Monetary fines per Dreger. 250K or more per incident at the discretion of commissioner Bettman. equalization payments wasted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monteeun Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 (edited) Forgive me for asking this but, what does this mean? Like what happened here? Edited January 31, 2020 by Monteeun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xereau Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 1 hour ago, 6string said: Arizona's biggest fan. He's more of a nurse, or maybe the guy that takes the biological waste to the dump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, Monteeun said: Forgive me for asking this but, what does this mean? from the sounds of it, they are trying to get an advantage over other teams, since the testing is not really done until before the draft. (NHL draft combine). They will get information first about prospects before anyone else does. THAT BEING SAID, from what I know there is no rule actually forbidding NHL teams from physically testing draft eligible players in the CHL before the combine. no one actually said they cannot do this. There is also no rule in the CHL that does not allow NHL teams to test players in their league. As far as I know if Gillis was the gm that will be his defence. conclusion, slap on the wrist, since it's the dead Arizona Coyotes and that it's NHL's puppy team. slap on the wrist, and probably told not to do this again. If this was the Canucks doing it, expect huge fines and punishments. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xereau Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 10 minutes ago, Monteeun said: Forgive me for asking this but, what does this mean? Like what happened here? NHL has a combined fitness testing program, called.. The Combine.. where all the youngsters are put thru their paces. The Coyotes are trying to get a headstart on this, and the reason its a big deal because you will get to see the rate of change certain players achieve in the time between whenever they did their testing, and the combine, which would likely influence their picks. You want a guy who hasnt come close to peaking yet. Anyways, its shady, and not at all surprising to be honest. When your step daddy runs the league, why would you even give breaking the 'rules' a second thought? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monteeun Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 10 minutes ago, xereau said: NHL has a combined fitness testing program, called.. The Combine.. where all the youngsters are put thru their paces. The Coyotes are trying to get a headstart on this, and the reason its a big deal because you will get to see the rate of change certain players achieve in the time between whenever they did their testing, and the combine, which would likely influence their picks. You want a guy who hasnt come close to peaking yet. Anyways, its shady, and not at all surprising to be honest. When your step daddy runs the league, why would you even give breaking the 'rules' a second thought? Thanks appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monteeun Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 12 minutes ago, MoneypuckOverlord said: from the sounds of it, they are trying to get an advantage over other teams, since the testing is not really done until before the draft. (NHL draft combine). They will get information first about prospects before anyone else does. THAT BEING SAID, from what I know there is no rule actually forbidding NHL teams from physically testing draft eligible players in the CHL before the combine. no one actually said they cannot do this. There is also no rule in the CHL that does not allow NHL teams to test players in their league. As far as I know if Gillis was the gm that will be his defence. conclusion, slap on the wrist, since it's the dead Arizona Coyotes and that it's NHL's puppy team. slap on the wrist, and probably told not to do this again. If this was the Canucks doing it, expect huge fines and punishments. Thanks appreciate it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 (edited) All of these new GM's (Chayka and Dubas) are certainly changing how to manage and build a hockey team (more than likely, based on some computer model rather than experience - obviously, given there age). Although, analytics seemed to had worked in Baseball because we continue to see small market teams like the Ray's and A's, being able to compete despite there budget (side note: as per an article, it indicates that analytics seems to be better suited in baseball cause of it's one on one nature - makes it easier to measure). Whether, it is for the good of the game - only time well tell. I certainly, do welcome new ideas, as long as, it does not constitute cheating (interesting how alot of articles praising the Astros new approach to roster building were being written that coincided with there rise but in the end they still resulted to cheating cause winning at all cost mattered more rather how you win). As a sports fan, the introduction of analytics has certainly increased my engagement and I hope it continues to develope but I still dont know how someone can measure, "heart". To a certain degree, I am starting to appreciate, JBs' more human approach to asset management and old school way of letting things sort itself out (as a Canuck fan, it can be frustrating but somewhat relief that, we have a GM that has both the old school experience and the willingness to try new things). Has he been perfect - NO - but who is with hindsight. Edited January 31, 2020 by ShawnAntoski 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 2 hours ago, MoneypuckOverlord said: from the sounds of it, they are trying to get an advantage over other teams, since the testing is not really done until before the draft. (NHL draft combine). They will get information first about prospects before anyone else does. THAT BEING SAID, from what I know there is no rule actually forbidding NHL teams from physically testing draft eligible players in the CHL before the combine. no one actually said they cannot do this. There is also no rule in the CHL that does not allow NHL teams to test players in their league. As far as I know if Gillis was the gm that will be his defence. conclusion, slap on the wrist, since it's the dead Arizona Coyotes and that it's NHL's puppy team. slap on the wrist, and probably told not to do this again. If this was the Canucks doing it, expect huge fines and punishments. Dreger is reporting that the NHL forbids physical testing before the combine and any team violating that rule faces monetary fines of $250'000.- or more per incident at the discretion of Bettman. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, mll said: Dreger is reporting that the NHL forbids physical testing before the combine and any team violating that rule faces monetary fines of $250'000.- or more per incident at the discretion of Bettman. New rules are probably being considered as we speak ? The issue with rules (or more rules) is that, its' enforcement will always depend on the interpretation of the person in charge. Edited January 31, 2020 by ShawnAntoski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat James Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 I don't get it? What's the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glug Datt Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 big question is how will the networks spin this as a positive for Toronto.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 11 hours ago, Unknown1995 said: He doesn't want to lose his T.V deal for Phoenix. Such a stupid strategy. Phoenix should be relocated to Quebec city, I mean they even have an arena ready. The Coyotes had the league's fifth-lowest local television rating (0.44) on Fox Arizona during the 2018-19 season. According to the same article in Forbes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dazzle Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ghostsof1915 said: I thought they took a dud in Hayton, but he's actually a good pick. It was a reach that worked out. Also, it should be noted that Hughes didn't play in the CHL, and since Arizona was using CHL-based players to allegedly cheat with, they basically had no information on Hughes in this way. Edited January 31, 2020 by Dazzle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 12 hours ago, Monteeun said: Forgive me for asking this but, what does this mean? Like what happened here? Obviously..you've seen Blade Runner, eh? This is that Iris/retina thingy test, where they find out if the perfect, draft-worthy youth are human, or them damned replicant skin-jobs! Pay attn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 8 minutes ago, Nuxfanabroad said: Obviously..you've seen Blade Runner, eh? This is that Iris/retina thingy test, where they find out if the perfect, draft-worthy youth are human, or them damned replicant skin-jobs! Pay attn! Are you confusing Gattaca and Blade Runner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 12 hours ago, Monteeun said: Thanks appreciate it my bad. actually it's already clear that teams are not allowed to do tests on players. probably just a slap on wrist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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