JB In Historical Context

[theo5789]

3 hours ago, IBatch said:

Despite JBs team being one of the “worst” his teams average draft position doesn’t come close to painting the same picture.  With Podz it’s around 8, without 7.   Not like the Oilers or other teams (NJ recently) who have multiple 1st overalls to build their teams with (including Yakupov)...Or 3rds (Drasaitl) or 4ths (Puljajarvi) ...  The worst finishes were 3rd worst overall and I think there were two of them... we slipped two both times (OJ and EP)....and 5-7th (QHs)...and slipped 9-10 (Podz).  

I think some forget the fact that ever since they changed the lottery system just as we hit our lowest point that we have actually dropped the most spots in the draft order of any other team in the 1st round. We weren't gifted anything (aside from teams not doing their due diligence and letting quality players slip to us) and had to earn the rewards. It's funny how they attribute our standings to our success in drafting and completely ignore teams like Edmonton and Buffalo (looking for any excuse to not give Benning any credit). Benning understood the importance of development on top of drafting in which is why we signed vets to insulate and give competition so they wouldn't be rushed. They don't appreciate that we have an owner willing to pay to support this. Our cap situation is simply a reflection of the team improving much faster than expected, so yes we have some work to do around the cap. The team is now on the upswing (in relatively short order no less) and yet there's always something wrong. It's easy to trash any and every GM because they've all made mistakes, but when you step back and look at the bigger picture (rather than microscope), you can see we are moving in a positive direction.

[IBatch]

On 7/15/2020 at 4:26 PM, Nuxfanabroad said:

Just gets a THIRD consecutive ROY candidate?! That my friend, is downright crazy.

 

Love it to continue..but we might never see this 6 yr stretch of drafting, ever again.

Not for a long time.   JB won’t be picking a BB and Pastrnak type once we get back into the latter part of the first round (if we even have a first rounder) every time - nobody does.   If I had to place a bet - would guess it will be decades before anything else like this happens again - and during the next couple down cycles whomever is still around on the CDC will be talking about the “good old days” when JB and crew were cracking out multiple NHLers each draft.   It is simply impossible mathematically to do that.   If every GM had to break even each draft each year all they’d have to do is find 19 guys to play 82 games.   Make it easy math and say 1600 NHL games total.  Hmmm.   Yet somehow we are supposed to get a first liner, a second liner a back-up goalie and a third liner each draft right?   Ridiculous. 

 

JB is a better then average drafter right now without any extra players making the show.  Maybe that’s all he is.  He’s definitely found his 1600ish games he needs to break even on every line.  And a lot more because he’s also found three guys who 1000 games doesn’t seem like too much of a stretch - plus a 500-600 player in JV and AG and a 200 game goalie in Demko.   Not to mention Forlsing, McAan and Tree who are all playing pro games still ...  and he’s also found Stetcher and Rafferty... and lost one, won one on Vey and Bear.  
 

Someone mentioned .50% or so of second rounders have played a game from OJs draft.  Ha ha.  Big deal.  A lot of prospects get a few games  - does that mean Brisbois and Sautner are winners too?  Can we add them to JBs win column too?   OJ will definitely get some games ... does that make him a winner?  Not unless he plays around 450 games or he’s a bust.   JV will pass the bust column on his next deal for sure ... Puljajarvi and Yakupov are busts.  
 

Edit:  and really a lot of games a team needs to make up are also found on UFAs and trades...of which JB has absolutely done his job for so far with limited options and resources to work with. 

Edited July 17, 2020 by IBatch

[Nuxfanabroad]

On 7/18/2020 at 12:53 AM, theo5789 said:

I think some forget the fact that ever since they changed the lottery system just as we hit our lowest point that we have actually dropped the most spots in the draft order of any other team in the 1st round. We weren't gifted anything (aside from teams not doing their due diligence and letting quality players slip to us) and had to earn the rewards. It's funny how they attribute our standings to our success in drafting and completely ignore teams like Edmonton and Buffalo (looking for any excuse to not give Benning any credit). Benning understood the importance of development on top of drafting in which is why we signed vets to insulate and give competition so they wouldn't be rushed. They don't appreciate that we have an owner willing to pay to support this. Our cap situation is simply a reflection of the team improving much faster than expected, so yes we have some work to do around the cap. The team is now on the upswing (in relatively short order no less) and yet there's always something wrong. It's easy to trash any and every GM because they've all made mistakes, but when you step back and look at the bigger picture (rather than microscope), you can see we are moving in a positive direction.

Good comment. The hypocrisy of "the haterz" has also served as a type of motivation for some positive threads on JB's handiwork.

 

Wouldn't be surprised if the players have also noted the bogus criticisms(& dbl standards) of JB from online, & even media sources. He seems to be getting complete buy-in from all acquired/drafted/signed assets.

[canuktravella]

 i hope benning figures a way to dump sutter and eriksson  their contracts are awful

[Patel Bure]

The misunderstanding of this management group:  
 

I believe our management group is misunderstood by many of the local media along with HF Canucks due to the following:

 

1) People place too much emphasis on some of the contract AAV’s and contract lengths that we’ve given out to certain players without every truly wondering why.

 

2) People not really understanding why we initially moved so many 2nd rounders, etc, for stop gap players.    
 

A number of people in this town simply cannot see beyond what’s in front of them.

 

As it relates to point number one, management wanted to make it very clear to the players here that....

 

A) Roster spots would be earned and not given.

B-) Even if the Canucks weren’t contenders, they’d be expected to compete hard every night and be in most games night in night out while making a push for the playoffs (while the Canucks have missed the playoffs for 4 straight seasons, we’ve been in the playoff hunt for most of those seasons up until the trade deadline and compete hard most nights even when eliminated from contention)

C) Young players would be placed in roles that would push said young kid but not over exert said kid so that he could develop his game without losing confidence.   For example - the Canucks brought in Ryan Miller so that Lack could be further insulated while Markstrom could develop his game in an environment that was more appropriate to his level at that time.  
 

As it relates to point number two, age-gap players were brought in so that......

 

A) These players would make our young prospects (aged 18-20) feel more comfortable in the lockerroom as lockerroom cohesion is an important part of building team comraderie.

 

B-) Some of these 20-23 reclamation projects might take a leap and push vets out of the line-up while establishing their careers (ie Baertschi over Higgins).

 

Although many of the veteran players that we brought in were underwhelming to say the very least (on the ice), we were able to achieve the following:

 

1) Markstrom became a superstar.   The presence of Miller allowed for Markstrom to develop in the minors.

 

2) Virtanen was salvaged to some degree.   Although Virtanen still has some growing up to do, his development was protected (aside from his first year in 2015 when he was brought up too soon) and he was able to grow in the minors while management and vets have also held him accountable every step of the way.   Even though Eriksson has been a flop in Vancouver, his presence likely prevented Virtanen from being placed into a role that he wasn’t ready for, while also demonstrating to the team (management to the players) that they were serious about competing for a playoff spot and that management would do whatever it took to help the boys in the lockerroom push for a playoff spot.

 

3) Horvat was insulated and was only pushed higher in the line-up once he proved that he was ready and worthy.  
 

4) The Canucks not trading Tanev at his peak allowed for some of our younger defensemen such as Hutton and Stecher to realistically grow their games in roles that would challenge them but not over-exert them.   
 

Even in recent years where many people were legit pissed that we signed Jay Beagle and Antoine Roussel, they feel to realize that these signings actually aided guys like Gaudette and MacEwen greatly because these guys were able to develop their games a lot more in situations more conducive to their games at the time instead of being bum rushed to the NHL.   Guys like Gaudette and MacEwen have now basically made the team and look like they have shot at becoming impact players.  
 

Oli Juolevi has also been given enough time to comfortably grow his game in Utica without being rushed.  
 

All in all, while many of our pro scouting decisions have been failures, the Canucks were able to create an environment where.....

 

1) The vets held the kids accountable on the ice and off the ice.

2) Kids’ development were protected at every level and kids were only placed in roles they were legitimately ready for (aside from the McCann and Virtanen fiasco’s from 2015, along with the Lack/Markstrom tandem in 2014 shortly after the Luongo deal).

3) Our “terrible signings” were signed in such a way that all/most of the contracts could  realistically come off the books just as our young core players needed to be re-upped (I am of the belief that we will see this strategically play out over these next few seasons).

 

The Canucks have not only done a terrific job in their amateur scouting by drafting many promising prospects in many different rounds, but they’ve also done a good job in developing said prospects by being very protective of their development and making sure that they were earning their ice-time.   

 

[Nuxfanabroad]

@DarkIndianRises Thanks for the above explanation, & quite agree.

 

There's another aspect that doesn't get much mention: holding back some ELC's from bursting onto the scene too swiftly, which can get mighty expensive. Imagine we'd drafted Tkachuk, Ehlers(& Boeser) & they all somehow thrived to a comparable level. The cap would be a greater mess now, & you'd have a hollowed-out roster, prob with injured p***ed vets. Some of your shiny youth might start to buckle under the weight/expectations of next contracts.

 

Then the team prob finished a little higher, missing many of the gems that were selected over the following 3 yr cycle of drafts(2017-2019).

 

Prob better to view cap(AAV expense) as the flow of a river..81.5 being the dam's limit. If you draft too many stars, there will almost inevitably be some overflow. Look at TBay today, for example. Within this given system, it's likely the best trouble to have.

 

2014-2016: most of our drafted prospects were scattered in various leagues, taking longer to get to the show. Some of them underperformed(relative to draft position). If a couple of them start to turn it on(Jake, OJ, & Big Nik, let's say) well, we'd be able to lock them in next contracts quite reasonably. They'll now be old enough to have learned/lived a bit, & can help transition into roles some departing vets played. note: not just drafted guys too, but of this approx age-group(like Stecher, Motte, etc...)

 

2017-19: & this is where the scouts/FO started hitting the bullseyes. Yet there's enough depth built up that we didn't have to rush these elite picks from day 1. When our vets are heading out the door, these beauties will be exiting ELC's. We'll be able to keep(virtually intact) all key pieces from these first 2 waves of a youth-influx.

 

If they somehow keep drafting at the gaudy level they've recently established, this franchise will be golden for a longgg spell.

 

Also find their emphasis on character(in acquired youth) smart & encouraging. I think these young buds will all come together to make the numbers work.

 

Folks(esp that Other site) can yammer & complain all they want! Personally I'm more optimistic for the team's future than I was back in 2009, 2010(ish)...

Edited July 29, 2020 by Nuxfanabroad

[Patel Bure]

3 hours ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

@DarkIndianRises Thanks for the above explanation, & quite agree.

 

There's another aspect that doesn't get much mention: holding back some ELC's from bursting onto the scene too swiftly, which can get mighty expensive. Imagine we'd drafted Tkachuk, Ehlers(& Boeser) & they all somehow thrived to a comparable level. The cap would be a greater mess now, & you'd have a hollowed-out roster, prob with injured p***ed vets. Some of your shiny youth might start to buckle under the weight/expectations of next contracts.

 

Then the team prob finished a little higher, missing many of the gems that were selected over the following 3 yr cycle of drafts(2017-2019).

 

Prob better to view cap(AAV expense) as the flow of a river..81.5 being the dam's limit. If you draft too many stars, there will almost inevitably be some overflow. Look at TBay today, for example. Within this given system, it's likely the best trouble to have.

 

2014-2016: most of our drafted prospects were scattered in various leagues, taking longer to get to the show. Some of them underperformed(relative to draft position). If a couple of them start to turn it on(Jake, OJ, & Big Nik, let's say) well, we'd be able to lock them in next contracts quite reasonably. They'll now be old enough to have learned/lived a bit, & can help transition into roles some departing vets played. note: not just drafted guys too, but of this approx age-group(like Stecher, Motte, etc...)

 

2017-19: & this is where the scouts/FO started hitting the bullseyes. Yet there's enough depth built up that we didn't have to rush these elite picks from day 1. When our vets are heading out the door, these beauties will be exiting ELC's. We'll be able to keep(virtually intact) all key pieces from these first 2 waves of a youth-influx.

 

If they somehow keep drafting at the gaudy level they've recently established, this franchise will be golden for a longgg spell.

 

Also find their emphasis on character(in acquired youth) smart & encouraging. I think these young buds will all come together to make the numbers work.

 

Folks(esp that Other site) can yammer & complain all they want! Personally I'm more optimistic for the team's future than I was back in 2009, 2010(ish)...

Yes, you are right as rain about the ELC’s.  
 

That’s another thing that the Canucks have done well with in my opinion.    The Canucks are willing to show loyalty to a player said player is truly ready (ie  burning a year off an ELC if a player is worthy enough to step into the lineup at the end of the season).   
 

I think the logic behind this is that if the Canucks show loyalty and trust towards a player right from the get go, perhaps the same trust and loyalty will be returned to management once the ELC expires, in terms of accepting a bridge deal or a cap friendly deal of some kind.   We are currently seeing this with Brock Boeser, and I also expect Quinn Hughes and Elias Pettersson to accept a contract that is slightly below market value in order to be a part of a winner (ie taking less money so that management can add winning pieces).

 

That is one another thing that our management has done smartly:   They understand the “cycle” of when a team is rebuilding-retooling (whatever you want to call it), and when a team is about to become competitive.

 

You can see this approach in some of the contracts that we’ve taken on.   For example, we all know that guys like Sutter, Eriksson, Gudbranson, Roussel, Beagle, Schaller, Myers, and Gagner were overpaid and overtermed because this is what bottom feeding teams must do if they want to attract UFA’s if said team wants to establish a culture of accountability for the young players within the system.

 

However, as I mentioned earlier, all/most of these contracts were strategically set to expire just around the time when the Canucks were about to get good and needed to re-up their RFA’s.

 

Now - you can actually see the “culture shift” taking place on management’s part as they anticipate the Canucks becoming good and anticipate players willing to sign here in the future at a discount in order to be a part of a winner.

 

Leading the way with our “value” contracts now are Brock Boeser (5.8 million AAV) and JT Miller whom we traded for (5.5 million).   With Tanner Pearson here (3.6ish million) and Tyler Toffoli (4.6ish million),  I think management feels quite confident that both players will be able to be resigned long term to a relatively low AAV due to their age.   
 

Once the Canucks go through their (inevitable) cap storm these next two seasons (2020 off season, 2021 off season), they should be set up extremely nicely to have a huge 2021-2022 season,

 

1) Boeser and Miller will still be on friendly AAV contracts.

2) Toffoli will likely have a friendly AAV.

3) Podkolzin will be on an ELC

4) Either Pearson will have a cap friendly deal or his replacement (Hoglander) will be on an ELC.

5) Horvat will still be at 5.5 million

6) Many of our “rebuilding transitional” contracts will be off the books.   Sutter and Baertschi will be gone, while Eriksson will either be completely off the books or could realistically retire after his 5th season (will only have 2 million left on his contract).   Guys like Beagle and Roussel can be traded at 50% retention if it comes down to this, while Myers can be exposed during the expansion draft if the Canucks wanted to go this route.  

Edited July 29, 2020 by DarkIndianRises

[IBatch]

10 minutes ago, DarkIndianRises said:

Yes, you are right as rain about the ELC’s.  
 

That’s another thing that the Canucks have done well with in my opinion.    The Canucks are willing to show loyalty to a player said player is truly ready (ie  burning a year off an ELC if a player is worthy enough to step into the lineup at the end of the season).   
 

I think the logic behind this is that if the Canucks show loyalty and trust towards a player right from the get go, perhaps the same trust and loyalty will be returned to management once the ELC expires, in terms of accepting a bridge deal or a cap friendly deal of some kind.   We are currently seeing this with Brock Boeser, and I also expect Quinn Hughes and Elias Pettersson to accept a contract that is slightly below market value in order to be a part of a winner (ie taking less money so that management can add winning pieces).

 

That is one another thing that our management has done smartly:   They understand the “cycle” of when a team is rebuilding-retooling (whatever you want to call it), and when a team is about to become competitive.

 

You can see this approach in some of the contracts that we’ve taken on.   For example, we all know that guys like Sutter, Eriksson, Gudbranson, Roussel, Beagle, Schaller, Myers, and Gagner were overpaid and overtermed because this is what bottom feeding teams must do if they want to attract UFA’s.

 

However, as I mentioned earlier, all/most of these contracts were strategically set to expire just around the time when the Canucks were about to get good and needed to re-up their RFA’s.

 

Now - you can actually see the “culture shift” taking place on management’s part as they anticipate the Canucks becoming good and anticipate players willing to sign here in the future at a discount in order to be a part of a winner.

 

Leading the way with our “value” contracts now are Brock Boeser (5.8 million AAV) and JT Miller whom we traded for (5.5 million).   With Tanner Pearson here (3.6ish million) and Tyler Toffoli (4.6ish million),  I think management feels quite confident that both players will be able to be resigned long term to a relatively low AAV due to their age.   
 

Once the Canucks go through their (inevitable) cap storm these next two seasons (2020 off season, 2021 off season), they should be set up extremely nicely to have a huge 2021-2022 season,

 

1) Boeser and Miller will still be on friendly AAV contracts.

2) Toffoli will likely have a friendly AAV.

3) Podkolzin will be on an ELC

4) Either Pearson will have a cap friendly deal or his replacement (Hoglander) will be on an ELC.

5) Horvat will still be at 5.5 million

6) Many of our “rebuilding transitional” contracts will be off the books.   Sutter and Baertschi will be gone, while Eriksson will either be completely off the books or could realistically retire after his 5th season (will only have 2 million left on his contract).   Guys like Beagle and Roussel can be traded at 50% retention if it comes down to this, while Myers can be exposed during the expansion draft if the Canucks wanted to go this route.  

Good take DIR.   I think JB was one year off on his deals - like most experts even he wasn’t sure that we’d be ready this soon and that resulted in a log jam.   Not a big one at that next year the money will be there for EP and QHs as long as he doesn’t go for it too hard to keep TT and mess it up a little further.    If he can somehow show-horn him into the lineup without jeopardizing our future cap with buy-outs and guys we can use on ELCs I’m all for it ... if not better just to stick to the plan and wait it out.   Eventually money will be available for one or two top four D’s... and with Seattle  likely getting more then their fair share maybe we could get one from them post ED at a decent price (that’s how they will end up getting their extra picks and prospects if they were smart about it)...

[Dr. Crossbar]

[Lazurus]

Too much narrow minded here.

 

Winning and losing counts too.

Missing the playoffs also counts.

 

Trying to make as much of this incredibly lucky opportunity of the covid crisis has to be taken into context. Just the exhibition game showed what could have happened IF they had played the Peg in regular season, a loss, and the Canucks were worse off back then. That loss would have put them out of a playoff spot and under .500, so the covid crisis has benefited Benning most of all.

 

I see Boeser contract was used as big plus, well remember he becomes an eight million per year player just when the Canucks will need extra money for Horvat, Hughes and others and the cap will be staying the same for the next 3+ years and already the team is pretty much committed to well over 32 mil for 4 players, Pettersson, Horvat, Boeser and Hughes and if they sign Markstrom they lose Demko but retain another 6+ for a 34 year old goalie at the end of his career instead of 5 mil for a 28 yr old hitting his prime with all the other young stud players.

 

Another really missed thing is the total lack of contracts signed AND that the front office is being decimated or it seems a "clean house" is happening already.

NOT ONE CONTRACT SIGNED OTHER THAN ENTRY LEVEL DEALS WHICH ARE ALREADY DONE IN THE CBA.

There are over 15 contracts needed to done. The team has always known the odds of a flat cap were 95+%, the NHL was saying that from the start.

 

Almost like the next guy has a really big job ahead of him, getting a handle on the cap, trying to get more draft picks, letting many vets go to prepare for the really big important contracts in 2 to 3 years, trying to build a cup contender over the next 3 years, filling the front office, hiring head scouts and a capologist.

 

So far Jimbo's drafting has two top ten bombs out of 4, 50% failure rate, and failure is what is measured with top ten picks, most are no brainers and extremely high levels of success, his cap management has been dumb and simple, spend it all and have nothing to make any trades for the rest of the year or any deals that might require "thought" and ingenuity. He has capped out and then sat on is hands except this year where he has traded away 3 draft picks for short term gains. Gains an idiot could see he would not be able to resign even with an increase of 4 mil on the cap, which would have kept the status quo of a marginal playoff team that was getting older and slower. 

 

If this team misses the playoffs, Benning just adds to his string of negative records, most missed playoff appearances,  most losses ever by a Vancouver GM, fewest wins, most money ever spent, most clause contracts, most failed top 10 or even top 6 draft picks, fewest players drafted playing on the team, worst contracts ever signed by a Vancouver GM,

 

So he got Pettersson, Boeser (ranked 26 by central scouting) and Hughes, Guadette was a Gillis draft pick (traded for) and a Brackett selection (in charge of eastern college scouting at the time) same with Demko. Tryamkin was the Euro and Bruins scouts choice. And thanks to the covid the team gets a second chance, they get to put a 4W and 7L in the last 11 games behind them and add 6 mil in players over the cap to play for a chance to make it to the playoffs, a chance. Of course there is the fact that if they do make it they lose a 1 in 8 chance at the next Crosby, win and lose too thanks to Tampa getting the best of JB.

Edited July 31, 2020 by Lazurus

[iceman64]

On 2/2/2020 at 6:10 AM, Nuxfanabroad said:

Doesn't feel like a small measure of irony in starting this thread. The man I've dubbed 'Gentleman Jim' has sure had his share of derision thrown his way, from the many, frothing overzealous detractors. This might be a classic case of the masses being dead wrong, to the extent that the exact opposite, is the noteworthy truth.

 

Been trying to think of an historical-comparable to JB's incredible 5yr(spanning 6 drafts) run at the podium. Not one who loves to scour the 'net, looking at lists from various teams, but certainly do enjoy jogging the old(failing) memory, to haphazardly amble down hockey's memory lane.

 

We all prob recall the draft coups of the game's recent 3, 4 Cup winners. Would argue most of their GM's benefitted from winning the lotto when there's an obvious, automatic player to pick. Malkin & Cros; Kane & Toews type work, which mostly sets off dominoes, & improves the fate of all decent picks thereafter.

 

To make this short & sweet, suggesting JB's work is best compared to that of legendary Isles GM, Bill Torrey. From about 1973 to '78, he would select the absolutely key pieces that would become the 1980-'84 Isle dynasty. From top pick Potvin through to '77 gem(#15 pick, Bossy); even landing the mighty Trottier in the 2nd! rd.

 

The Wings were also notable, but that was over a longer period, with Stevie delivered in '83, & the Russian wave so much later.

 

Don't wanna' jinx Gentleman Jim with this here thread, but let's face it, the horses are well outa' the barn, & galloping along at breakneck speed. We might be witnessing notable history as it unfolds, as his 2014-2019 work is accomplishing award achievements, which truly must leave his lengthy list of vociferous critics feeling like dimwitted dullards, who embarrassingly & awkwardly, completely missed the plot!

 

CDC'ers, love to hear your opinions. Any GM's(past or present) you'd like to reference here

Actually I couldn't stop laughing at those anti-benning people who criticized JT Miller trade, I'm still chuckling about it and so glad he was signed, would we be playing the Wild now without his efforts? Uhhh yeah right.. NOT! More like golf but here we are, great job Jimbo!

 Under the circumstances and Jim never being a GM before has learned a lot so I don't expect us to miss the playoffs again anytime soon especially with a D upgrade/s as we move forward and get back to cap par.. 

 No he's not perfect but where we are now compared to when he arrived is so much better and with tweaks, pretty sure the word "contender" is going to be used to describe us for a long time to come, after another year or 2, 2 being more realistic.. 

 

[crunch55]

"win and lose too thanks to Tampa getting the best of JB."

 

lmao..ya JT Miller is a chump.Typical Vancouver bloggers..can't even give credit where credit is due.Jim takes a lot of shots by so called fans..perfect ?..hell no but what GM is.He's managed to stock the cupboards for years to come and the team is back on the rise.Oli haters are going to eat crow as well as the kid looks to be over his health issues ( blame that on Jim too..lmao )Also ,when was the last time we had to decide wether to sit a 18 goal scorer due to depth issues ? 

[Gurn]

17 hours ago, Lazurus said:

So far Jimbo's drafting has two top ten bombs out of 4, 50% failure rate,

lol

[iceman64]

9 hours ago, gurn said:

lol

Or 50% success rate...

[Tracksuit]

On 8/1/2020 at 8:09 AM, crunch55 said:

"win and lose too thanks to Tampa getting the best of JB."

 

lmao..ya JT Miller is a chump.Typical Vancouver bloggers..can't even give credit where credit is due.Jim takes a lot of shots by so called fans..perfect ?..hell no but what GM is.He's managed to stock the cupboards for years to come and the team is back on the rise.Oli haters are going to eat crow as well as the kid looks to be over his health issues ( blame that on Jim too..lmao )Also ,when was the last time we had to decide wether to sit a 18 goal scorer due to depth issues ? 

Ollie appears to over his Heath issues....lol.
yeah one short camp and exhibition game with out an injury. Expectation are so low it’ll be hard not for him to succeed. 
the drafting improved under bracket he’s gone.

because back stabbing “ gentleman” Jim Ego couldn’t  Stand   to lose The credit. Well that and bracket was from the linden Camp.

Linden just finished getting the knife out of His back That “gentleman“ Jim stuck in.

pump him up all you want he will have the stats of the franchiseS worst gm and he better hope he can draft some outstanding picks without Judd or he’s going to be remember as an even bigger failure. 

 

 

 

[crunch55]

I'm a Trevor fan so I'd back him before Jim but to not give the guy credit for some of his moves is unbalanced criticism at best.How come your not a GM yet ? With all your wisdom you should be..lmao

[Brovat]

On 8/2/2020 at 8:53 AM, Tracksuit said:

Ollie appears to over his Heath issues....lol.
yeah one short camp and exhibition game with out an injury. Expectation are so low it’ll be hard not for him to succeed. 
the drafting improved under bracket he’s gone.

because back stabbing “ gentleman” Jim Ego couldn’t  Stand   to lose The credit. Well that and bracket was from the linden Camp.

Linden just finished getting the knife out of His back That “gentleman“ Jim stuck in.

pump him up all you want he will have the stats of the franchiseS worst gm and he better hope he can draft some outstanding picks without Judd or he’s going to be remember as an even bigger failure. 

 

 

 

Fake news. 
 

Ollie is something you do on a skateboard. Not a grammar nazi but try and actually knowing someone’s name before slagging them. 

[IBatch]

On 7/27/2020 at 3:08 PM, canuktravella said:

 i hope benning figures a way to dump sutter and eriksson  their contracts are awful

And if he doesn’t Sutter can remain tutoring AG who definitely is not ready for the 3 C spot yet and neither is anyone else.   We’d have to find someone else to fill that spot on yet another Beagle like deal and make him a winger if Sutter isn’t around next season.   At most he’s 1 million of wasted cap space considering what vet 3Cs make these days.   On LE he’s worth 3 million to most teams still.    The cost to get rid of that contact is also not worth it.   That’s what we’d be paying another vet to do his job.   Yeah he’s probably replaceable internally but we could easily suffer a little in the standings too.   So maybe 4 million is “wasted” cap space.  I’d agree with that for sure ... it is what it is.  Sutter was always healthy before his contract - bad luck for sure there.   LE...well at least JB has learned his lesson and hopefully doesn’t rip apart our prospect pool and futures in picks just to rid ourselves of these guys to sign one or two replacement UFAs we definitely don’t want on the books when it really matters.    Starting with TT.   He’s a rental.   Either Pearson or Ferland on LITR will be the cost this season - and a little depth in Leivo and maybe a cheaper upgrade on Stecher.  Not as big a deal as some folks are making it out to be.  

[canuktravella]

4 hours ago, IBatch said:

And if he doesn’t Sutter can remain tutoring AG who definitely is not ready for the 3 C spot yet and neither is anyone else.   We’d have to find someone else to fill that spot on yet another Beagle like deal and make him a winger if Sutter isn’t around next season.   At most he’s 1 million of wasted cap space considering what vet 3Cs make these days.   On LE he’s worth 3 million to most teams still.    The cost to get rid of that contact is also not worth it.   That’s what we’d be paying another vet to do his job.   Yeah he’s probably replaceable internally but we could easily suffer a little in the standings too.   So maybe 4 million is “wasted” cap space.  I’d agree with that for sure ... it is what it is.  Sutter was always healthy before his contract - bad luck for sure there.   LE...well at least JB has learned his lesson and hopefully doesn’t rip apart our prospect pool and futures in picks just to rid ourselves of these guys to sign one or two replacement UFAs we definitely don’t want on the books when it really matters.    Starting with TT.   He’s a rental.   Either Pearson or Ferland on LITR will be the cost this season - and a little depth in Leivo and maybe a cheaper upgrade on Stecher.  Not as big a deal as some folks are making it out to be.  

 ya ferlands probably gonna have to retire due to long term effects from that concussion i hope im wrong and hes fine. but  hes gonna be on long term  ir   i see canucks just burying eriksson on utica frees up a mill in space we will be ok 

[cuporbust]

Well, it wasn't just his drafted players that made a difference tonight.  Beagle,  Sutter,  motte , rooster,  even Meyers.  Maybe he knows what he is doing overall as well .

Edited August 6, 2020 by cuporbust