Guest Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 20 minutes ago, coolboarder said: The talent that we have on PP should easily burn other teams with their skill during the set-up but they are not executing it well. It was obvious from the start that it is Newell Brown's issues. Most often we see PP goals were either off the rush or broken plays with just one opportunity to shoot and it's in. I’m as frustrated as you but even the best power plays go through tough stretches. They will get their mojo back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, VancouverHabitant said: I’m as frustrated as you but even the best power plays go through tough stretches. They will get their mojo back. Better now then later imo. There no way a PP stays consistent the entire season so they should come out of it at a good time Edited February 3, 2020 by Devron44 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerMainLander18 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) Tied for 6th place in the whole league and some clueless fans still giving Green crap lol. I am seriously confused whether they are trolling or being serious right now. We need Brock, Gaudette and Rouss to break out of their slumps to be a better team towards the latter part of this season. Brock is badly snake-bitten. Swapping JV and Brock seems to have worked out well for Gaudette, Rouss while EP40 and Miller continues to tear things up with Brock introduced back into their line. Will JV see more icetime on EP40's line in the future? Absolutely. But as of right now, this was the right hockey move. Is it bad for JV's career point total this season? Sure. It would be so much easier to rack up points playing with EP40. Will JV care about not scoring more points? Not even remotely as much as if the team gets taken out of the playoffs position. I am not bashing JV. He's one of my favourite Canuck. But we do need Brock to get things going again if this team ever has a chance to do some real damage. Edited February 3, 2020 by LowerMainLander18 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rychicken Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, LowerMainLander18 said: Tied for 6th place in the whole league and some clueless fans still giving Green crap lol. I am seriously confused whether they are trolling or being serious right now. We need Brock, Gaudette and Rouss to break out of their slumps to be a better team towards the latter part of this season. Brock is badly snake-bitten. Swapping JV and Brock seems to have worked out well for Gaudette, Rouss while EP40 and Miller continues to tear things up with Brock introduced back into their line. Will JV see more icetime on EP40's line in the future? Absolutely. But as of right now, this was the right hockey move. Is it bad for JV's career point total this season? Sure. It would be so much easier to rack up points playing with EP40. Will JV care about not scoring more points? Not even remotely as much as if the team gets taken out of the playoffs position. I am not bashing JV. He's one of my favourite Canuck. But we do need Brock to get things going again if this team ever has a chance to do some real damage. agree, and the team needs more from the 3rd line long term - a scoring 3rd line can be a real difference maker in the playoffs... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobart16 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 1 minute ago, LowerMainLander18 said: Tied for 6th place in the whole league and some clueless fans still giving Green crap lol. I am seriously confused whether they are trolling or being serious right now. We need Brock, Gaudette and Rouss to break out of their slumps to be a better team towards the latter part of this season. Brock is badly snake-bitten. Swapping JV and Brock seems to have worked out well for Gaudette, Rouss while EP40 and Miller continues to tear things up with Brock introduced back into their line. Will JV see more icetime on EP40's line in the future? Absolutely. But as of right now, this was the right hockey move. Is it bad for JV's career point total this season? Sure. It would be so much easier to rack up points playing with EP40. Will JV care about not scoring more points? Not even remotely as much as if the team gets taken out of the playoffs position. I am not bashing JV. He's one of my favourite Canuck. But we do need Brock to get things going again if this team ever has a chance to do some real damage. i dont think moving JV was punishment either, i think it was to get Rouseel and Gaudette going, and maybe Brock too. I would have considered moving Brock to Horvats line and moving Erickson down to play with Gaudette Roussel. Can't understand the criticism of Green either. We haven't been in this position in years, and it appears that he has been a big part of the moves JB has made to get the style of play that Green wants, which has been good for the Macewen/Ferland/Beagles, bad for Baertschi/Goldobin/Huttons. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 29 minutes ago, Devron44 said: Better now then later imo. There no way a PP stays consistent the entire season so they should come out of it at a good time That's what I thought in 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilgore Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 6 hours ago, canutecanuck said: Is that Brad Merchant? Yes, Brad Merchant is Brad Marchand's even smaller, nastier, dirty, Frenchier, cousin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 21 hours ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said: I hate the shootouts. I don't hate shoot outs as long as they never entr the playoffs that would really suck still hate the loser point even though we got one yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 30 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: That's what I thought in 2011. New world, new times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 44 minutes ago, hobart16 said: i dont think moving JV was punishment either, i think it was to get Rouseel and Gaudette going, and maybe Brock too. I would have considered moving Brock to Horvats line and moving Erickson down to play with Gaudette Roussel. Can't understand the criticism of Green either. We haven't been in this position in years, and it appears that he has been a big part of the moves JB has made to get the style of play that Green wants, which has been good for the Macewen/Ferland/Beagles, bad for Baertschi/Goldobin/Huttons. I agreee that Virtanen Brock swap is not punishment, but do not agree with the rest of your statement. Green played Hutton last year and Jim let him go because he was overpriced for what we got. Baertschi and Goldy have been waived and there were no takers. Ferland has been a non-factor as has MacEwen. MacEwen is a spare part the Green cannot/will not find a use for unless injuries force his hand. All that said , the team is doing well and Green has to get some of the praise for that. He is still not my favorite coach, but he is improving his game and that is all I can ask at this point. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 59 minutes ago, rychicken said: agree, and the team needs more from the 3rd line long term - a scoring 3rd line can be a real difference maker in the playoffs... the third line is doing what the players are capable of. Rooster is scoring at .33 ppg about his career average, down from last year but up from the year previous. Gaudette has 4 points in the last 5 games but is approx .5ppg this year. One might say he is on fire. Jake is having a career year, Brock is/was slumping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 16 hours ago, EdgarM said: This is what I don't get, they were playing more in the O zone with him on that line. Today, they were fighting to get out of their zone for most of the game. Its in the teams best interest to keep Miller and Petey in the O zone as long as possible. Jake was helping with that. That and he should be one the #1 PP. Passes keep getting intercepted and we lose possession on the #1 PP. Jake is able to keep it in the zone on the #2 PP hence their recent success. Maybe there is something I am missing but I think we need to look at making changes to the #1 PP as it is not working right now. the coaches job is to solve conundrums Just aas Green finds a spot for Jake and Loui, it has created the loss of a spot for Brock. Brock is the highest value asset of the 3, although he is not highest paid (Loui) or possibly the best player long term ( that might yet be Jake) I know I will get flamed for this but Brock is starting to resemble Baaertschi/Goldy/Hutton. Have you stopped screamming yet? good, Brock is like Baertschi/Goldy because he is top 6 or bust. Yes he scores better than they do, but he is often the 3rd guy on his line. If you could only keep 2, who do you keep? Petey, Miller or Brock? How about Bo, Pearson, Brock? That one is closer but I am bnot sure your team is better if you let Pearson go. Brock went pointless on the 3rd line. So that is a problem Ben Hutton signed a big contract based on potential and did not live up to that contract, causing Jim to let him walk rather than increase the mistake. Unless Brock really ups his game in the next 2 years, he will be in the same boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Very solid game for Myers - and Fantenburg Myers 3 ozone starts (25%), 9 dzone 62.9% corsi Goal, +1, couple hits and blocks. Fanta 1 / 9, 10% 55.2% corsi 2 assists, +1, 4 hits, 2 blocks 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, oldnews said: Very solid game for Myers - and Fantenburg Myers 3 ozone starts (25%), 9 dzone 62.9% corsi Goal, +1, couple hits and blocks. Fanta 1 / 9, 10% 55.2% corsi 2 assists, +1, 4 hits, 2 blocks I liked Fanta in that game. Solid, and he seemed to be providing some snarl at times too. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the grinder Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 8 hours ago, MikeyD said: I firmly believed half the games that we've won on this streak we had no business winning so to lose a point in a meh game is fair. The hockey gods have spoken. We have to stop dumping the puck in and then have everybody on the ice change lines. It's absolutely killing this team. so what do you suggest we do instead , not change lines ? change lines when we have the puck in the neutral zone ? or just skate back behind our net and wait every single time? shifts are 30 to 45 seconds , you need to dump the puck in to change lines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracksuit Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 18 hours ago, EdgarM said: TG is trying to stretch out the talent too thin. We have a few players who are defensive liabilities . He tried changing up the lines to over come this. The lines have been a mishmash lately. Bringing back Schaller did not help. True but the structure doesn’t seem to be there either they miss assignments and look out of place constantly. The outstanding goaltending has really covered up a lot of deficiencies. the pp uses the static umbrella it’s so predictable and if opposition isn’t passive they barely get set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 1 hour ago, the grinder said: so what do you suggest we do instead , not change lines ? change lines when we have the puck in the neutral zone ? or just skate back behind our net and wait every single time? shifts are 30 to 45 seconds , you need to dump the puck in to change lines Many times they could take the puck back and maintain possession, rather they do the easy/ safe play and dump it in but give up possession. I'd rather maintain possession and set up the attack having the pressure going towards the other net , rather than giving up possession then having to defend and the pressure coming towards our net. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spur1 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Jake or Brock on the first line. When Jake is on it the eye test says they play less in their own zone. Miller and Jake have chemistry. When Brock is on the line they are worse defensively but seem to be more dangerous on offence. Brock and Petey have chemistry. Flip a coin. The long range solution may be a different winger/centre for Petey and Brock and another winger/centre for Jake and Miller. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 hour ago, lmm said: the coaches job is to solve conundrums Just aas Green finds a spot for Jake and Loui, it has created the loss of a spot for Brock. Brock is the highest value asset of the 3, although he is not highest paid (Loui) or possibly the best player long term ( that might yet be Jake) I know I will get flamed for this but Brock is starting to resemble Baaertschi/Goldy/Hutton. Have you stopped screamming yet? good, Brock is like Baertschi/Goldy because he is top 6 or bust. Yes he scores better than they do, but he is often the 3rd guy on his line. If you could only keep 2, who do you keep? Petey, Miller or Brock? How about Bo, Pearson, Brock? That one is closer but I am bnot sure your team is better if you let Pearson go. Brock went pointless on the 3rd line. So that is a problem Ben Hutton signed a big contract based on potential and did not live up to that contract, causing Jim to let him walk rather than increase the mistake. Unless Brock really ups his game in the next 2 years, he will be in the same boat. Boes is a bit of an anomaly in that when he came into the league he just had to get anywhere within a decent shot distance and the puck was in the net without a doubt. Now? There not even setting him up anymore on the PP. His skating does restrict him somewhat but that shot was his bread and butter. That is what got him here and that is what will keep him here. You are very much correct in that he is similar to Baert and Goldy in that they are pure offense and very little defense. If they are not producing at a high rate, they become too much of a hindrance to keep them around. I give Brock full credit he is working on other ways to produce but he needs that shot back eventually. Maybe he needs surgery I don't know. His defense is improving but I sense that there are things we are not aware of, some have seen that his wrist is still being bandaged so who knows. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the grinder Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 54 minutes ago, Pete M said: Many times they could take the puck back and maintain possession, rather they do the easy/ safe play and dump it in but give up possession. I'd rather maintain possession and set up the attack having the pressure going towards the other net , rather than giving up possession then having to defend and the pressure coming towards our net. so you want to go behind the net every time then change ? so what happens when the other team pressures the lone guy holding the puck then what , what happens when its the long change ? its a nice theory but in reality dumping it in is part of the game when shifts are 45 seconds long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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