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4 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

I agree with you generally on this point

He will have to come back and prove himself

I have never said otherwise

As, IMO, every hockey player has to come back and prove himself every year

It is the way it is done

Recognizing that veteran hockey players get a little more time to do so, than rookies

I would imagine that Tryamkin has been scouted to death, this last year

IMO, he will not be offered a contract, unless Benning is fairly confident in his abilities.

Even before he gets here...….

A lot of things can be done off ice, well before he arrives through video

Again, IMO, Benning can not risk throwing Cap away, so he will have done his home work

Including watching tape of Tryamkin playing against Podkolzin, if they have actually played each other

But other players, that he knows have played Internationally, including those of the U20 teams

playing against him...…..all in all, what I am trying to say, is Benning has a pretty good idea on what he is getting

How he matches up with gap control against faster players etc...…..

IMO, Tryamkin will get a 2 year 2.75 Million contract, plus/minus $2,500,000 contract offer (prove it offer)

If he sucks, he will be the 7th Dman, if he plays well, who knows?

Yeah, I don't go for this leave and you suck, idea...….

Some guys have not even came over until later in their life and done well....Larinov, Radulov, etc Dmen as well

all who spent their early 20's not being developed properly in the KHL...…..yeah, right!

Just as a man, Tryamkin has developed, and as a Dman he has seen more, been exposed to different systems, etc

all going to develop him more...……..

Will he need time to adjust....I would be suprized if he doesn't

But if he is smart, he will be over in the summer, and playing in the summer, non-official training camp (UBC)

which will help...….more importantly, I hope his wife and him, have taken some English lessens

Please God - give him and his wife some English lessens

 

well all we have to go on is the history we know

and last time he did not come to camp in playing shape

do you have any other past behaviour

to show your hopes for him are more then wishful thinking

 

people have behaviour traits, habits, that tend to shape them

we can all change these

but it takes intention and discipline

i simply want to see what this player does

i assume nothing about him

just gauge him a bit on his past behaviour

 

you do not know

or perhaps it is simply you do not explain

why his status with his current team

was changed

and he was demoted a bit in terms of leadership

something happened

have you overlooked that ?

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12 minutes ago, coastal.view said:

 

well all we have to go on is the history we know

and last time he did not come to camp in playing shape

do you have any other past behaviour

to show your hopes for him are more then wishful thinking

 

people have behaviour traits, habits, that tend to shape them

we can all change these

but it takes intention and discipline

i simply want to see what this player does

i assume nothing about him

just gauge him a bit on his past behaviour

#1...….He was a naïve kid...…..what has he been like the past 3 years? I would imagine that would not be hard to find out

           People seem not to be able to let go of the past...….people grow up, that is fact

           Tryamkin has said so himself

 

#2...….Don't get me wrong, I understand your perspective and respect it...…...you can't go wrong with the show me, perspective

            Again, I just can not imagine Benning bringing Tryamkin back, just because I say he should

            These guys are professional, and will be sifting through all your concerns, well before they offer Tryamkin a contract

           sight unseen...….

 

3...……Benning has said he wants Tryamkin back...what does that tell you?

 

 

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4 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

#1...….He was a naïve kid...…..what has he been like the past 3 years? I would imagine that would not be hard to find out

           People seem not to be able to let go of the past...….people grow up, that is fact

           Tryamkin has said so himself

 

#2...….Don't get me wrong, I understand your perspective and respect it...…...you can't go wrong with the show me, perspective

            Again, I just can not imagine Benning bringing Tryamkin back, just because I say he should

            These guys are professional, and will be sifting through all your concerns, well before they offer Tryamkin a contract

           sight unseen...….

 

3...……Benning has said he want Tryamkin back...what does that tell you?

he is still canuck property

if they do not let him come back to training camp or preseason

they risk loosing their rights to him

i'm sure jb would like to see what they have in tryamkin

and will invite him to training camp this fall

they will do the same for all their key prospects

 

maybe you can respond to the last part of my previous post as well

 

 

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16 minutes ago, coastal.view said:

he is still canuck property

if they do not let him come back to training camp or preseason

they risk loosing their rights to him

i'm sure jb would like to see what they have in tryamkin

and will invite him to training camp this fall

they will do the same for all their key prospects

 

maybe you can respond to the last part of my previous post as well

 

 

I thought I did...….????

You say he has behavior traits as a 20 year old

Sure he did, just like you and I

I can't speak for you

But I was a pretty good "Town Jock", not good enough to go anywhere

Maybe it was because I was drunk most nights?????

It probably was, to be honest

I hardly drink anymore

and once I was 25 and married, I had pretty much stopped drinking

by 27, I had 2 kids, and didn't have time, because I was always at work

So at 27, I started to play with some older pros

Well that was too late, wasn't it! LOL

the point is people grow up, especially from the circumstances they are put in

 

Have you ever read anything about Tryamkins years since he went back to Russia

I must have not seen all the negative stuff that has stopped him from performing

like all his bad traits? 

I mean, he has been an allstar, and a captain, so he must be doing something right

Don't you think?

 

 

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15 minutes ago, coastal.view said:

he is still canuck property

if they do not let him come back to training camp or preseason

they risk loosing their rights to him

i'm sure jb would like to see what they have in tryamkin

and will invite him to training camp this fall

they will do the same for all their key prospects

 

maybe you can respond to the last part of my previous post as well

 

 

Tryamkin is not going to come over here without a contract

and 

Benning is not going to give him a contract unless he feels he can play

 

I seriously do not understand what your problem is with my points?

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7 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

I thought I did...….????

You say he has behavior traits as a 20 year old

Sure he did, just like you and I

I can't speak for you

But I was a pretty good "Town Jock", not good enough to go anywhere

Maybe it was because I was drunk most nights?????

It probably was, to be honest

I hardly drink anymore

and once I was 25 and married, I had pretty much stopped drinking

by 27, I had 2 kids, and didn't have time, because I was always at work

So at 27, I started to play with some older pros

Well that was too late, wasn't it! LOL

the point is people grow up, especially from the circumstances they are put in

 

Have you ever read anything about Tryamkins years since he went back to Russia

I must have no seen all the negative stuff that has stopped him from performing

like all his bad traits? 

I mean, he has been an allstar, and a captain, so he must be doing something right

Don't you think?

i do not bring much emotion to the tryamkin

he raises 3 red flags that i would not ignore

he is not a neutral returning employee/player

 

1.  he left out of dissatisfaction, he did not soldier through and overcome obstacles

- as you say this may simply be a lack of maturity issue (jake stayed and overcame his obstacles.. i respect jake for that)

 

2.  he played the past seasons in a non comparable league so his skill development is uncertain

the biggest concern is speed, the nhl has increased it's speed requirement notably in the past 3 seasons

tryamkin has not played on the international stage that i know of, there is little to assess his ability to adapt to the speed of the nhl

his current skill set is not fully know

 

3.  he had issues with his current team, his leadership role was stepped down by his team

why is that ?

it that a sign of more immaturity, lack of commitment?

 

no matter what line of work this might be

these 3 red flags are present for this individual and need to be assessed

he does not come back to this team as a neutral green prospect

he has warts that i'd want to assess and have him explain as well

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14 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

Tryamkin is not going to come over here without a contract

and 

Benning is not going to give him a contract unless he feels he can play

 

I seriously do not understand what your problem is with my points?

he is a reasonable investment

for a healthy 2 way contract

i do not expect him to come to camp

without a contract

 

i would not give him a guaranteed team roster spot

he can fight with joulevi

rafferty

and all other canuck prospects

for a shot on making the main club

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3 minutes ago, coastal.view said:

 

 

1.  he left out of dissatisfaction, he did not soldier through and overcome obstacles

- as you say this may simply be a lack of maturity issue (jake stayed and overcame his obstacles.. i respect jake for that)

First off, exactly where would Jake had gone? Strange comment!

Secondly, there were a lot of publicized reasons he left, including him saying he was immature...….also coaching, also wife, also home sick

 

2.  he played the past seasons in a non comparable league so his skill development is uncertain

the biggest concern is speed, the nhl has increased it's speed requirement notably in the past 3 seasons

tryamkin has not played on the international stage that i know of, there is little to assess his ability to adapt to the speed of the nhl

his current skill set is not fully known

Well, there are a lot of international players playing in the KHL, and some like Podkolzin and his U20 team mates skate at above average NHL speed, so I beg to differ. It should also be pointed out that, the KHL is the second best league in the world. If Tryamkin can be an allstar there, surely he can skate with the NHL players

 

3.  he had issues with his current team, his leadership role was stepped down by his team

why is that ?

it that a sign of more immaturity, lack of commitment?

His captain was injured, and they gave Tryamkin the C to wear, while his captain was gone. When the captain came back, they gave the C back to him

He also has stated that he wants back to the Canucks...….do you think that pleases his coaches?

 

 

he has warts that i'd want to assess and have him explain as well

Oh Brother! :picard:LOL......That sounds so dramatic!

 

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1 minute ago, coastal.view said:

he is a reasonable investment

for a healthy 2 way contract

i do not expect him to come to camp

without a contract

 

i would not give him a guaranteed team roster spot

he can fight with joulevi

rafferty

and all other canuck prospects

for a shot on making the main club

We shall see! Don't expect a 2 way...……….my bet is he will return back to Russia, if he doesn't stick

And you will never see him again

Which will make a lot of people happy...……...:picard:

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We shall see! Don't expect a 2 way...……….my bet is he will return back to Russia, if he doesn't stick

And you will never see him again

Which will make a lot of people happy...……...:picard:

strange response janis

why would people be happy for someone else's failure ???

would not make me happy at all

 

what is best for the nucks team is that all the hope many have for tryamkin

is actually realized

and he becomes a key asset for this team

 

but i will not assume this outcome

would be very happy if he achieved it though

 

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2 minutes ago, coastal.view said:

no worries .I agree

we do not agree I agree, we do not agree

you think he has little to show

you think he should just be invited back to the nucks as an established player. He is a mature player now.it is different. They wont ask him back if they think he can't make it

i think he needs to show a lot to come back to this team So do I, and he will

 

 

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4 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

 

We shall see! Don't expect a 2 way...……….my bet is he will return back to Russia, if he doesn't stick

And you will never see him again

Which will make a lot of people happy...……...:picard:

though not quite the same thing

think about how you would asses linden vey

who had a longer career with the nucks

is performing well in the khl

and wanted to return to the nucks

how would you want that transition/return to occur

 

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2 minutes ago, coastal.view said:

strange response janis

why would people be happy for someone else's failure ???

would not make me happy at all

 

what is best for the nucks team is that all the hope many have for tryamkin

is actually realized

and he becomes a key asset for this team

 

but i will not assume this outcome

would be very happy if he achieved it though

 

I get your bottom line...….I don't disagree with it

 

It is your points of reasoning, that I disagree with

 

But we have beat them to death, and supper is calling

 

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