coastal.view Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: I agree with you generally on this point He will have to come back and prove himself I have never said otherwise As, IMO, every hockey player has to come back and prove himself every year It is the way it is done Recognizing that veteran hockey players get a little more time to do so, than rookies I would imagine that Tryamkin has been scouted to death, this last year IMO, he will not be offered a contract, unless Benning is fairly confident in his abilities. Even before he gets here...…. A lot of things can be done off ice, well before he arrives through video Again, IMO, Benning can not risk throwing Cap away, so he will have done his home work Including watching tape of Tryamkin playing against Podkolzin, if they have actually played each other But other players, that he knows have played Internationally, including those of the U20 teams playing against him...…..all in all, what I am trying to say, is Benning has a pretty good idea on what he is getting How he matches up with gap control against faster players etc...….. IMO, Tryamkin will get a 2 year 2.75 Million contract, plus/minus $2,500,000 contract offer (prove it offer) If he sucks, he will be the 7th Dman, if he plays well, who knows? Yeah, I don't go for this leave and you suck, idea...…. Some guys have not even came over until later in their life and done well....Larinov, Radulov, etc Dmen as well all who spent their early 20's not being developed properly in the KHL...…..yeah, right! Just as a man, Tryamkin has developed, and as a Dman he has seen more, been exposed to different systems, etc all going to develop him more...…….. Will he need time to adjust....I would be suprized if he doesn't But if he is smart, he will be over in the summer, and playing in the summer, non-official training camp (UBC) which will help...….more importantly, I hope his wife and him, have taken some English lessens Please God - give him and his wife some English lessens well all we have to go on is the history we know and last time he did not come to camp in playing shape do you have any other past behaviour to show your hopes for him are more then wishful thinking people have behaviour traits, habits, that tend to shape them we can all change these but it takes intention and discipline i simply want to see what this player does i assume nothing about him just gauge him a bit on his past behaviour you do not know or perhaps it is simply you do not explain why his status with his current team was changed and he was demoted a bit in terms of leadership something happened have you overlooked that ? Edited February 9, 2020 by coastal.view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, coastal.view said: well all we have to go on is the history we know and last time he did not come to camp in playing shape do you have any other past behaviour to show your hopes for him are more then wishful thinking people have behaviour traits, habits, that tend to shape them we can all change these but it takes intention and discipline i simply want to see what this player does i assume nothing about him just gauge him a bit on his past behaviour #1...….He was a naïve kid...…..what has he been like the past 3 years? I would imagine that would not be hard to find out People seem not to be able to let go of the past...….people grow up, that is fact Tryamkin has said so himself #2...….Don't get me wrong, I understand your perspective and respect it...…...you can't go wrong with the show me, perspective Again, I just can not imagine Benning bringing Tryamkin back, just because I say he should These guys are professional, and will be sifting through all your concerns, well before they offer Tryamkin a contract sight unseen...…. 3...……Benning has said he wants Tryamkin back...what does that tell you? Edited February 9, 2020 by janisahockeynut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: #1...….He was a naïve kid...…..what has he been like the past 3 years? I would imagine that would not be hard to find out People seem not to be able to let go of the past...….people grow up, that is fact Tryamkin has said so himself #2...….Don't get me wrong, I understand your perspective and respect it...…...you can't go wrong with the show me, perspective Again, I just can not imagine Benning bringing Tryamkin back, just because I say he should These guys are professional, and will be sifting through all your concerns, well before they offer Tryamkin a contract sight unseen...…. 3...……Benning has said he want Tryamkin back...what does that tell you? he is still canuck property if they do not let him come back to training camp or preseason they risk loosing their rights to him i'm sure jb would like to see what they have in tryamkin and will invite him to training camp this fall they will do the same for all their key prospects maybe you can respond to the last part of my previous post as well Edited February 9, 2020 by coastal.view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, coastal.view said: he is still canuck property if they do not let him come back to training camp or preseason they risk loosing their rights to him i'm sure jb would like to see what they have in tryamkin and will invite him to training camp this fall they will do the same for all their key prospects maybe you can respond to the last part of my previous post as well I thought I did...….???? You say he has behavior traits as a 20 year old Sure he did, just like you and I I can't speak for you But I was a pretty good "Town Jock", not good enough to go anywhere Maybe it was because I was drunk most nights????? It probably was, to be honest I hardly drink anymore and once I was 25 and married, I had pretty much stopped drinking by 27, I had 2 kids, and didn't have time, because I was always at work So at 27, I started to play with some older pros Well that was too late, wasn't it! LOL the point is people grow up, especially from the circumstances they are put in Have you ever read anything about Tryamkins years since he went back to Russia I must have not seen all the negative stuff that has stopped him from performing like all his bad traits? I mean, he has been an allstar, and a captain, so he must be doing something right Don't you think? Edited February 9, 2020 by janisahockeynut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, coastal.view said: he is still canuck property if they do not let him come back to training camp or preseason they risk loosing their rights to him i'm sure jb would like to see what they have in tryamkin and will invite him to training camp this fall they will do the same for all their key prospects maybe you can respond to the last part of my previous post as well Tryamkin is not going to come over here without a contract and Benning is not going to give him a contract unless he feels he can play I seriously do not understand what your problem is with my points? Edited February 9, 2020 by janisahockeynut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: I thought I did...….???? You say he has behavior traits as a 20 year old Sure he did, just like you and I I can't speak for you But I was a pretty good "Town Jock", not good enough to go anywhere Maybe it was because I was drunk most nights????? It probably was, to be honest I hardly drink anymore and once I was 25 and married, I had pretty much stopped drinking by 27, I had 2 kids, and didn't have time, because I was always at work So at 27, I started to play with some older pros Well that was too late, wasn't it! LOL the point is people grow up, especially from the circumstances they are put in Have you ever read anything about Tryamkins years since he went back to Russia I must have no seen all the negative stuff that has stopped him from performing like all his bad traits? I mean, he has been an allstar, and a captain, so he must be doing something right Don't you think? i do not bring much emotion to the tryamkin he raises 3 red flags that i would not ignore he is not a neutral returning employee/player 1. he left out of dissatisfaction, he did not soldier through and overcome obstacles - as you say this may simply be a lack of maturity issue (jake stayed and overcame his obstacles.. i respect jake for that) 2. he played the past seasons in a non comparable league so his skill development is uncertain the biggest concern is speed, the nhl has increased it's speed requirement notably in the past 3 seasons tryamkin has not played on the international stage that i know of, there is little to assess his ability to adapt to the speed of the nhl his current skill set is not fully know 3. he had issues with his current team, his leadership role was stepped down by his team why is that ? it that a sign of more immaturity, lack of commitment? no matter what line of work this might be these 3 red flags are present for this individual and need to be assessed he does not come back to this team as a neutral green prospect he has warts that i'd want to assess and have him explain as well Edited February 9, 2020 by coastal.view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 14 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: Tryamkin is not going to come over here without a contract and Benning is not going to give him a contract unless he feels he can play I seriously do not understand what your problem is with my points? he is a reasonable investment for a healthy 2 way contract i do not expect him to come to camp without a contract i would not give him a guaranteed team roster spot he can fight with joulevi rafferty and all other canuck prospects for a shot on making the main club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, coastal.view said: 1. he left out of dissatisfaction, he did not soldier through and overcome obstacles - as you say this may simply be a lack of maturity issue (jake stayed and overcame his obstacles.. i respect jake for that) First off, exactly where would Jake had gone? Strange comment! Secondly, there were a lot of publicized reasons he left, including him saying he was immature...….also coaching, also wife, also home sick 2. he played the past seasons in a non comparable league so his skill development is uncertain the biggest concern is speed, the nhl has increased it's speed requirement notably in the past 3 seasons tryamkin has not played on the international stage that i know of, there is little to assess his ability to adapt to the speed of the nhl his current skill set is not fully known Well, there are a lot of international players playing in the KHL, and some like Podkolzin and his U20 team mates skate at above average NHL speed, so I beg to differ. It should also be pointed out that, the KHL is the second best league in the world. If Tryamkin can be an allstar there, surely he can skate with the NHL players 3. he had issues with his current team, his leadership role was stepped down by his team why is that ? it that a sign of more immaturity, lack of commitment? His captain was injured, and they gave Tryamkin the C to wear, while his captain was gone. When the captain came back, they gave the C back to him He also has stated that he wants back to the Canucks...….do you think that pleases his coaches? he has warts that i'd want to assess and have him explain as well Oh Brother! LOL......That sounds so dramatic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 1 minute ago, janisahockeynut said: no worries we do not agree you think he has little to show you think he should just be invited back to the nucks as an established player i think he needs to show a lot to come back to this team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 1 minute ago, coastal.view said: he is a reasonable investment for a healthy 2 way contract i do not expect him to come to camp without a contract i would not give him a guaranteed team roster spot he can fight with joulevi rafferty and all other canuck prospects for a shot on making the main club We shall see! Don't expect a 2 way...……….my bet is he will return back to Russia, if he doesn't stick And you will never see him again Which will make a lot of people happy...……... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Just now, janisahockeynut said: We shall see! Don't expect a 2 way...……….my bet is he will return back to Russia, if he doesn't stick And you will never see him again Which will make a lot of people happy...……... strange response janis why would people be happy for someone else's failure ??? would not make me happy at all what is best for the nucks team is that all the hope many have for tryamkin is actually realized and he becomes a key asset for this team but i will not assume this outcome would be very happy if he achieved it though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, coastal.view said: no worries .I agree we do not agree I agree, we do not agree you think he has little to show you think he should just be invited back to the nucks as an established player. He is a mature player now.it is different. They wont ask him back if they think he can't make it i think he needs to show a lot to come back to this team So do I, and he will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: We shall see! Don't expect a 2 way...……….my bet is he will return back to Russia, if he doesn't stick And you will never see him again Which will make a lot of people happy...……... though not quite the same thing think about how you would asses linden vey who had a longer career with the nucks is performing well in the khl and wanted to return to the nucks how would you want that transition/return to occur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, coastal.view said: strange response janis why would people be happy for someone else's failure ??? would not make me happy at all what is best for the nucks team is that all the hope many have for tryamkin is actually realized and he becomes a key asset for this team but i will not assume this outcome would be very happy if he achieved it though I get your bottom line...….I don't disagree with it It is your points of reasoning, that I disagree with But we have beat them to death, and supper is calling Cheers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 (edited) I'm hoping Podz can be like like O'Reilly for us. And Podz can take over Bo's checking duties and Bo can just focus on offense mainly. Podz size and speed to counter against number one lines. Edited February 10, 2020 by Hairy Kneel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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