[Proposal] Demko + Eriksson to Ottawa for Craig Anderson

[Junkyard Dog]

8 minutes ago, Alflives said:

We don’t have to trade either, but last summer JB said he had a plan in place to recoup the first he gave up to get Miller.  Other than Demko which player do we have that’s worth a first and we have depth so he’s not missed?  Demko at the 2020 draft for a late first.  Gonna happen.  

Nobody is gonna do that when they want wait a couple weeks and sign a goalie for free and/or use that pick to draft one.

 

We're probably gonna keep both tendys

Edited February 9, 2020 by Junkyard Dog

[coastal.view]

34 minutes ago, Alflives said:

We don’t have to trade either, but last summer JB said he had a plan in place to recoup the first he gave up to get Miller.  Other than Demko which player do we have that’s worth a first and we have depth so he’s not missed?  Demko at the 2020 draft for a late first.  Gonna happen.  

i thought loui was developing well lately

and is sure to fetch a 1st rounder from someone

 

he is being moved to the 4th line tonight

only so he can fine tune some of his d skills

and will be back for the final shift again

to get an empty net point

 

all stanley cup contenders

could use a talent of his calibre

 

Edited February 9, 2020 by coastal.view

[JM_]

43 minutes ago, Alflives said:

We don’t have to trade either, but last summer JB said he had a plan in place to recoup the first he gave up to get Miller.  Other than Demko which player do we have that’s worth a first and we have depth so he’s not missed?  Demko at the 2020 draft for a late first.  Gonna happen.  

certainly could. He's worth that. Goalie development is so fraught with guys that stink and he's looking like a good bet. 

[komodo0921]

3 hours ago, DarkIndianRises said:

People aren’t going to like this proposal for obvious reasons, but the truth of the matter is that

1) the Canucks will need to add in a sweetener if they intend to move Eriksson.

2) the Canucks will inevitably have to choose between Markstrom and Demko.   
3) There is no guarantee that Eriksson retires after this season even after collecting his bonus.
 

The Senators get their goalie of the future (Sens have some goalie prospects but Demko is significantly better), while the Canucks rid themselves of the Eriksson contract which would allow them to comfortably re-sign all of Tanev, Markstrom, and Virtanen.   Anderson will be off the books at the end of the season.
 

Miller-Pettersson-Boeser

Pearson-Horvat-Sutter

Roussel-Gaudette-Virtanen

Ferland-Beagle-Motte

 

Edler-Stecher

Hughes-Tanev

Fantenberg-Myers

 

Markstrom

Anderson

 

I don'the mind this deal.

A fix for both teams.

Could still try to sign Anderson as a true back up for Marky.

[wai_lai416]

lol i'd be wary to get rid of demko.. Markstrom is probably going to want to hit a homerun as this will be his chance to cash in on his biggests contract that he'll probably get.. we either over pay him for shorter years.. or lower cap hit but a way too long contract.. i rather just keep both goalie and see how it goes.. markstrom will be entering 31 january of next year.. hockey players prime is usually 26-32.. and goalies over 30 usually start seeing declines.. so IF we get rid of demko.. and Markstrom starts declining within a year or 2? then what? dipietro? likely won't be ready yet.. and then we'll be wasting the prime years of the core looking for a goalie replacement

[Lazurus]

On 2/8/2020 at 4:08 PM, coastal.view said:

why do you think the nucks have to choose between demko and marky?

they can use a top tier tandem

 

do you know how many goalies will be exposed for the expansion draft?

every team has to expose 1 - so that is 30

there will be so many quality goalies exposed

how many do you really think seattle will be taking?

i'm thinking 3

2 established goalies and 1 prospect
 

vegas took how many? 5 or 6? and they got nothing for them

they had very little trade value

seattle will be looking more to draft extra dmen that they can then flip in trades

Demko is from California, regarded by the league as a premier goalie already with the general feeling he is ready to be a starter and probably the best player the Canucks will have exposed.

Seattle could just demand a draft pick not to take him or that the Canucks trade a top prospect or player to agree not to select him, Vegas did that too. If you look around the league there are not that many younger goalies that will be exposed and there are not many goalies like Fleury going to be available, maybe a washed up Saros or something, they could take him and trade him to another team, nothing says they have to keep him and they are not restricted from doing just that.

 

And Vegas only took 3 goalies a couple because those teams didn't have any high skill guys exposed at the time. 

# Player     Pos.     Drafted from

1. Calvin Pickard G Colorado Avalanche

2. Luca Sbisa D Vancouver Canucks

3. Teemu Pulkkinen LW Arizona Coyotes

4. Jon Merrill D New Jersey Devils

5.  William Carrier LW Buffalo Sabres

6. Cody Eakin C Dallas Stars

7. Tomas Nosek LW Detroit Red Wings

8. Jonathan Marchessault C Florida Panthers

9. Brayden McNabb D Los Angeles Kings

10. Connor Brickle C Carolina Hurricanes

11. Chris Thorburn RW Winnipeg Jets

12. Pierre-Edouard Bellemare RW Philadelphia Flyers

13. Jason Garrison D Tampa Bay Lightning

14. Jean-Francois Berube G New York Islanders

15. James Neal LW Nashville Predators

16. Deryk Engelland D Calgary Flames

17. Brendan Leipsic LW Toronto Maple Leafs

18. Colin Miller D Boston Bruins

19. Marc Methot D Ottawa Senators

20. David Schlemko D San Jose Sharks

21. David Perron LW St. Louis Blues

22. Oscar Lindberg C New York Rangers

23. Griffin Reinhart D Edmonton Oilers

24. Alexei Emelin D Montreal Canadiens

25. Clayton Stoner D Anaheim Ducks

26. Erik Haula C Minnesota Wild

27. William Karlsson C Columbus Blue Jackets

28. Trevor van Riemsdyk D Chicago Blackhawks

29. Marc-Andre Fleury G Pittsburgh Penguins

30 .Nate Schmidt D Washington Capitals

Edited February 10, 2020 by Lazurus

[mll]

8 minutes ago, Lazurus said:

Demko is from California, regarded by the league as a premier goalie already with the general feeling he is ready to be a starter and probably the best player the Canucks will have exposed.

Seattle could just demand a draft pick not to take him or that the Canucks trade a top prospect or player to agree not to select him, Vegas did that too. If you look around the league there are not that many younger goalies that will be exposed and there are not many goalies like Fleury going to be available, maybe a washed up Saros or something, they could take him and trade him to another team, nothing says they have to keep him and they are not restricted from doing just that.

 

And Vegas only took 3 goalies a couple because those teams didn't have any high skill guys exposed at the time. 

[...]

 

Vegas was forced to pick at least 3 goalies per expansion rules.    It's 3 Gs + 9 Ds + 14 Fs  + 4 at any position - 30 players drafted.   A roster is only 23 players - so they will likely also pick upcoming UFAs to avoid having to bury contracts in the AHL and have their residual cap hits on their books.

 

Pittsburgh paid a 2nd round pick for Vegas to select Fleury.  

 

[Lazurus]

1 minute ago, mll said:

 

Vegas was forced to pick at least 3 goalies per expansion rules.    It's 3 Gs + 9 Ds + 14 Fs  + 4 at any position - 30 players drafted.   A roster is only 23 players - so they will likely also pick upcoming UFAs to avoid having to bury contracts in the AHL and have their residual cap hits on their books.

 

Pittsburgh paid a 2nd round pick for Vegas to select Fleury.  

 

That is important, the pick thing, that means Demko might be the best goalie offered up in both drafts, I don't see Seattle passing on him especially if Markstrom gets his NMC that he wants.

Vegas didn't have any problems with residual cap hits and if anything Vegas was first so this time Seattle has an established method to follow. BTW all players must be under contract for the next year so no draft and then let go.

[mll]

24 minutes ago, Lazurus said:

That is important, the pick thing, that means Demko might be the best goalie offered up in both drafts, I don't see Seattle passing on him especially if Markstrom gets his NMC that he wants.

Vegas didn't have any problems with residual cap hits and if anything Vegas was first so this time Seattle has an established method to follow. BTW all players must be under contract for the next year so no draft and then let go.

Seattle can pick upcoming UFAs.  Every player that is not protected or exempt is available.  

 

There are minimum exposure requirements where there must be at least 1 goalie under contract exposed per team but Seattle can elect to pick another goalie from the same team. 

 

Edited February 10, 2020 by mll

[Lazurus]

7 hours ago, mll said:

Seattle can pick upcoming UFAs.  Every player that is not protected or exempt is available.  

 

There are minimum exposure requirements where there must be at least 1 goalie under contract exposed per team but Seattle can elect to pick another goalie from the same team. 

 

For a player to count he has to be under contract for the following year, FA's are FA's and not under any team's flag. Free. Just means they can pick a lot of others to fill out the 30, but Vegas only selected 3 of their 30

 

IF Marky gets his NMC then Demko is exposed and Seattle will select him as one of their 3 picks unless Vancouver exposes another very high quality player, like Horvat, Boeser 

[IBatch]

On 2/8/2020 at 7:08 PM, coastal.view said:

why do you think the nucks have to choose between demko and marky?

they can use a top tier tandem

 

do you know how many goalies will be exposed for the expansion draft?

every team has to expose 1 - so that is 30

there will be so many quality goalies exposed

how many do you really think seattle will be taking?

i'm thinking 3

2 established goalies and 1 prospect
 

vegas took how many? 5 or 6? and they got nothing for them

they had very little trade value

seattle will be looking more to draft extra dmen that they can then flip in trades

Vegas had to use a WHL back-up it's first year when their goalies went down like dominoes, it was their 4th stringer I believe but I'm too lazy to look into it - maybe one of their draft picks because they only took 3 goalies with their ED picks - a starter, a possible starter/backup and back-up.   I've debated this a lot on this site and yes of course we can keep both guys but each scenario comes at a cost and it's not a foregone conclusion either way. 

 

First off I think exposing Markstrom has better odds of us keeping both - because I think they will pick Holtby.  No way will WSH let Samsonov go with their cap structure and the way he's been playing.   Between Markstrom and Holtby it's Holtby every time.   Although maybe WSH let's Holtby walk and then he's off the market entirely given his new team won't let him go...

 

As far as back-ups go Demko ticks a lot of boxes for what you'd want in one, especially with an aging starter.   He's young, posts reasonable stats, and can be groomed for the goalie of the future.  His biggest competition will be Francoiz or Grubeaur depending on who COL keeps at this point.   Also Murray might also be available which further reduces Markstroms chances of getting picked up.   Jarry is killing it - closest thing to this years Binnington with arguably better stats.    Murray could be going the same way MAF did too.

 

Demko is definitely the BPA from a simple draft viewpoint (as of right now) that is he's the BPA that Seattle can pick from us.  Unless they take a flyer on OJ and or a prospect and it works out (assuming we don't protect him).    Given they will take at least the two  backs-ups it increases the odds he will be their choice. 

 

Hard to beat a Holtby/Murray Demko-Francoiz tandem.  

 

Also Markstrom will be getting a top ten paycheque now - something like 6 x 4 or 5.5 x 5.   I get that some teams (about one third) spend 10% or more on their goalies cap wise ... but a lot don't, and there aren't a lot of contending teams in the mix that do either....the two that do happen to be St Louis (but this year not last year) and Boston.  

 

Vasilevsky will get a huge raise and another regular will leave TB so they can afford it - so soon maybe they will join the list. 

 

In the end it's probably still too early to worry about.  A lot could happen in one year - especially as far as goalies go given how fickle the position is.   If the ED was this year I'd say we'd have better then 50/50 odds of losing Demko.   Next year maybe it won't look that way at all. 

 

Heck maybe Alf is right and Demko is getting shopped this year to re-coup our first. 

[IBatch]

On 2/8/2020 at 8:44 PM, Junkyard Dog said:

Nobody is gonna do that when they want wait a couple weeks and sign a goalie for free and/or use that pick to draft one.

 

We're probably gonna keep both tendys

Not all teams have great goalie depth and need to plug holes or age gaps.  Drafting a goalie takes years and years before they see any NHL games (if ever, regardless of draft position), and most are drafted in the second and third rounds.   Doubt we trade him because then that team would have to protect him next year - but you never know.

[IBatch]

On 2/8/2020 at 10:14 PM, komodo0921 said:

I don'the mind this deal.

A fix for both teams.

Could still try to sign Anderson as a true back up for Marky.

Anderson is actually a pretty good number one when he plays - would be an upgrade in the short term.  One of the better proposals I've seen on here for how to rid ourselves of LE ...

[mll]

On 2/11/2020 at 2:06 AM, Lazurus said:

For a player to count he has to be under contract for the following year, FA's are FA's and not under any team's flag. Free. Just means they can pick a lot of others to fill out the 30, but Vegas only selected 3 of their 30

 

IF Marky gets his NMC then Demko is exposed and Seattle will select him as one of their 3 picks unless Vancouver exposes another very high quality player, like Horvat, Boeser 

 

Engelland was a UFA and was Vegas' pick for Calgary.  They decided to sign him but could have equally allowed him to walk.  Of the 30 players they have to pick only 20 players who have to be under contract the following season.  

 

If you add the draft requirement of picking at least 3 goalies + 14 Fs + 9Ds - that's 26 players.  That's more than the requirement of having 20 players under contract for the following season.  

 

https://www.nhl.com/goldenknights/news/expansion-draft-full-rules/c-289403076

* Vegas must select the following number of players at each position: 14 forwards, nine defensemen and three goaltenders.

* Vegas must select a minimum of 20 players who are under contract for the 2017-18 season.

 

Edited February 12, 2020 by mll

[Junkyard Dog]

10 hours ago, IBatch said:

Not all teams have great goalie depth and need to plug holes or age gaps.  Drafting a goalie takes years and years before they see any NHL games (if ever, regardless of draft position), and most are drafted in the second and third rounds.   Doubt we trade him because then that team would have to protect him next year - but you never know.

Still drafting one then signing one as a stop gap is the better way to go than giving up a 1st round pick for someone who would never have been a starter in the NHL and hasn't put up dominant numbers. Demko isn't no Schneider in 2013, he's far from that.

 

Nobody is gonna give much for Demko when they know we either have to trade him or make a deal with Seattle, especially when they have so many other options and would have to protect them. They would have to be next level dumb. We'd probably get a 2nd at best.

 

These next couple drafts have a couple goalies who have promising potential. Askarov is touted as a top 10 pick this year and Wallstedt is another 1st rounder in 2021. Those are guys only in the 1st round.

 

We are probably gonna have to make a deal with Seattle.

[mrturkish]

On 2/8/2020 at 3:48 PM, DarkIndianRises said:

People aren’t going to like this proposal for obvious reasons, but the truth of the matter is that

1) the Canucks will need to add in a sweetener if they intend to move Eriksson.

2) the Canucks will inevitably have to choose between Markstrom and Demko.   
3) There is no guarantee that Eriksson retires after this season even after collecting his bonus.
 

The Senators get their goalie of the future (Sens have some goalie prospects but Demko is significantly better), while the Canucks rid themselves of the Eriksson contract which would allow them to comfortably re-sign all of Tanev, Markstrom, and Virtanen.   Anderson will be off the books at the end of the season.
 

Miller-Pettersson-Boeser

Pearson-Horvat-Sutter

Roussel-Gaudette-Virtanen

Ferland-Beagle-Motte

 

Edler-Stecher

Hughes-Tanev

Fantenberg-Myers

 

Markstrom

Anderson

 

Oh good you’ve been drinking before you post. Oh by the way oh hell no on your proposal.