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1 minute ago, kingofsurrey said:

Hip just wants to argue semantics..

 

Next thing is he will say ....   Lethal Overwatch.. whatever force it takes.. Snipers deployed....   is not the same as shoot to kill....

 

I am pretty much done with discussing with him today to be honest.. It is exhausting and i am tired from working all day. 

1) yup.

2) welcome to my world. 

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2 minutes ago, Alflives said:

We can’t make exceptions though.  As disgusting as Nazi ideas are, it’s not our responsibility to censor their views.  All adults in Canada are entitled to listen to the Nazi crap without another citizen keeping the rest from hearing.  If we choose to censor opinions and ideas (that don’t cross the line of freedom of expression laws) then we are telling other Canadians we don’t trust their ability to make good choices.  I guess we should then take those other citizens, who we don’t trust, right to vote away.  We may not like it, but that’s democracy, and how our charter works.  People get to listen to what they choose, and we trust them to make good choices.  Censorship is a slippery slope.  

I agree.  I like it when Antifa smashes the Nazis.  Fight ignorance with ignorance i say....   Just make sure you get it on video so we can sort it out after...

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9 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

 

8 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

Do you consider CBC mainstream enough for you..

 

LOL

 

There are a number of very deeply concerning words, phrases and terms used to a situation that is immensely delicate," Indigenous Services Minister Marc Miller said Friday. "This is something that we need to revise as a government and take a look at that, because the terminology is entirely unacceptable."

 

 

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/rcmp-snipers-first-nation-pipeline-protest-guardian-1.5405111

Taken directly from the stories.  None of which state shoot to kill.  None of which support the narrative of violence towards first nations members or protestors.  RCMP and Minister of indigenous services both state they have not seen NOTES from said meeting session which are not in fact orders nor are they official push. 

 

You made the statement, you made the claim, none of this supports it.  you can lol, laugh or chide, deride or even accuse me of whatever the crap you want.  Bottom line, none of your supporting links support your "shoot to kill statement" and your single cherry picked statement does not support the narrative of RCMP violence you are suggesting.

 

But the RCMP is pushing back against the report in the U.K.-based Guardian newspaper, which alleges to have gotten the information from documents the police force claims it hasn’t seen and argues may have been taken out of context.

 

According to the report, documents seen by the newspaper include notes on a strategy session ahead of the Jan. 7 operation at the Gidimt’en checkpoint, a camp set up last December to block the construction of the Coastal GasLink LNG pipeline through ancestral Wet’suwet’en lands near Houston, B.C.

 

The strategy session notes allegedly include an argument that “lethal overwatch is [required],” according to the article. Lethal overwatch is an RCMP term for deploying snipers.

 

 

Peters said the RCMP acted as "security guards" for Coastal GasLink, the company behind the pipeline. 

"They seem to be acting at the beck and call of this private corporation," he said. 

However, Peters said officers "conducted themselves fairly admirably" during the arrests. 

"They had people screaming and yelling for hours and they did not rise to the bait," he said. "[They] maintained their composure and did their job."

 

RCMP have not verified the documents that have been referred to in the Guardian report. A spokesperson said they were denied a request to review them.

"We have not had the opportunity to determine in what context any of the alleged statements may have been made or by whom," said RCMP Sgt. Janelle Shoihet in a statement.

"There are a number of terms referenced in the article that are not generally used by the RCMP during operational planning and others that may be used, but in our opinion have been taken out of context — both of which are concerning," she said.

In particular, police said "lethal overwatch" does not necessarily imply that police were prepared to use snipers on protesters, noting that the practice is often used at demonstrations or community parades to ensure public safety.

"Police officers who occupy the position of lethal overwatch are tasked with observing, while other police officers are engaged in other duties which occupy attention," said Shoihet.

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8 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

Hip just wants to argue semantics..

 

Next thing is he will say ....   Lethal Overwatch.. whatever force it takes.. Snipers deployed....   is not the same as shoot to kill....

 

I am pretty much done with discussing with him today to be honest.. It is exhausting and i am tired from working all day. 

No you're not.  

 

You'll keep coming back because like Strome you desire and crave the attention.  PS it's adorable that you two are getting along all of a sudden, and over the same stuff too :) 

 

For a person who is "exhausted" from working all day, you managed to put in some serious legwork creating a false and rapidly disproved narrative of RCMP violence against the protestors and first nations members of the Unis'To;'Ten camp

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Just now, kingofsurrey said:

I agree.  I like it when Antifa smashes the Nazis.  Fight ignorance with ignorance i say....   Just make sure you get it on video so we can sort it out after...

Both of those groups, and their ideologies, are beyond crazy to me.  But, they each get to voice their crap, and others are entitled to hear it, unencumbered.  Hell, maybe there are adults who shouldn’t be allowed to vote?  Maybe it should be property owners, 25 and older?  

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12 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

No you're not.  

 

You'll keep coming back because like Strome you desire and crave the attention.  PS it's adorable that you two are getting along all of a sudden, and over the same stuff too :) 

 

For a person who is "exhausted" from working all day, you managed to put in some serious legwork creating a false and rapidly disproved narrative of RCMP violence against the protestors and first nations members of the Unis'To;'Ten camp

Just like clockwork Hip is back to argue semantics and yell at clouds.   I love it. 

 

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Like I said "king Ralph."

 

Ralph Klein’s chief of staff once described his boss as “a cat with nine lives.”

Klein committed a multitude of blunders during his 26 year career in civic and provincial politics that most politicians would not have survived. Some even called him the Teflon premier because no controversy seemed to stick to him for very long.

Martha and Henry and the Grundys, as Klein often called the average Albertan, could not hold a grudge. Here’s a look at nine headline grabbing mini-scandals of Klein’s colourful career.

1. Bums and Creeps

Klein never did call newcomers to Alberta “bums and creeps” when he was Calgary mayor. What he did say at a Calgary Newcomers Club dinner on Jan. 6, 1982, was his city does not welcome “bums” and he’ll protect Calgarians from “a lot of creeps” looking for work.

Although he never used the word “eastern” he claimed there were more Quebeckers in Calgary jails than First Nations people. What Klein was trying to say was the city did not need unskilled, uneducated, and unemployed transients from other provinces who would simply add to the unemployment lines, welfare rolls and jail populations. But the comment vilified Klein in central and Eastern Canada.

2. Flipping the ‘bird’

As environment minister in Don Getty’s cabinet in 1990, Klein took heat from environmentalists at a press conference to announce the approval of the controversial Alberta Pacific pulp mill. First Nations communities were upset the pulp mills were polluting lakes and streams, and environmentalists were calling for tougher pollution controls. And they didn’t always express themselves politely.

When bearded and parka-clad activist Randy Lawrence came up to the stage to give each of the officials at the press conference “the finger,” Klein flipped him the same gesture in return. A photographer captured the one-finger salute and, once again, Klein was in hot water for his unseemly behaviour.

3. Multi-Corp

The Multi-Corp scandal in 1995 nearly ended Klein’s reign as premier only three years after it began. Liberal Frank Bruseker pushed Klein’s career to the edge when he revealed the premier’s wife Colleen had purchased shares in the computer software company shortly after Klein had participated in a ribbon-cutting ceremony at the company’s Hong Kong office.

It turned out to be a sweetheart deal since Colleen wasn’t required to pay for the shares, which she acquired at below market price, until she sold them. Klein vowed to resign if Ethics Commissioner Bob Clark found him guilty. Clark eventually ruled there had been a technical breach of the law, but that it had been unintentional.

4. Shoot, shovel and shut-up

One of Klein’s most remembered remarks occurred in the midst of the 2003 mad cow crisis when he infamously told a meeting of Western Governors in Big Sky, Mont., that “any self respecting rancher would have shot, shovelled and shut up” after discovering one of his cows was suffering from bovine spongiform encephalopathy, or BSE. “Instead he took it to an abattoir and it was discovered after testing in both Winnipeg and the U.K. that this cow had mad cow disease,” the premier said.

His spokesman at the time said Klein was just being sarcastic and was not advocating ranchers cover up the discovery of sick cows on their farms. The premier’s comment was slammed by opposition critics and industry officials.

5. Drunk at a drop-in centre

Klein’s early morning visit to an inner city homeless shelter in Edmonton in September 2001 prompted him to address his drinking in a very public way. Klein eventually admitted he stopped at the Herb Jamieson Centre on his way home from dinner and drinks with friends and became argumentative with several men he found sitting in the foyer.

Witnesses said the premier was slurring, cursing and yelling at the men to get jobs. “All I can say is that if I caused any inconvenience or any uproar I certainly apologize,” Klein said. “But there was no malice intended whatsoever.” Friends say Klein quietly became a big supporter of homeless shelters in the wake of the incident. He also stopped drinking in public.

6. The AISH remarks

It was most often Klein’s tongue that got him into trouble. When he went off script, his communications director would cringe. During the 2004 election campaign, he told a Calgary crowd of supporters about two women he’d encountered who were smoking cigarettes outside and “yipping” at him to raise payments provided under Alberta’s Assured Income for the Severely Handicapped or AISH program.

“They didn’t look severely handicapped to me,” he remarked to the crowd. The crack sparked a storm of controversy during a campaign that had been until that point deathly boring and it cost the Tories about 200,000 votes, compared to what they had garnered in the previous election.

7. Pinochet, plagiarism and the paper

Sometimes Klein’s efforts to pull himself out of trouble just got him in deeper. His remark in the legislature in May 2004 that socialism drove Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet to mount a coup, had him scrambling the next day to clarify what he meant.

With angry protesters on the steps of the legislature demanding he apologize, Klein tabled a rambling 13-page essay he wrote on the subject for a correspondence course in communications. Two days later, he was branded a plagiarist for lifting much of the paper from various websites without proper attribution. His education minister then compounded the controversy by phoning the heads of universities to urge them to write letters to newspapers defending the premier.

8. “You calling me a liar?”

A rare appearance by Klein before an all-party legislature committee probing his expenses turned into bizarre theatre in May 2004 when the premier harangued Liberal MLA Laurie Blakeman and demanded to know if she was calling him a liar. Blakeman drew his ire when she requested he provide a copy of a receipt to prove he paid $2,500 for using government aircraft to take a side trip to a Nova Scotia golf course during a premier’s conference in Atlantic Canada.

In a scene reminiscent of Robert De Niro in the movie Taxi Driver, the exasperated premier repeatedly inquired: “Are you calling me a liar?” Blakeman stood her ground. “The nastier he got, the nicer I got,” she said later.

9. “I don’t need this crap.”

Near the end of Klein’s reign, after announcing he planned to retire in 2007, he seemed uncharacteristically cranky. During one boisterous session in the legislature, in which he was attacked over his proposed health care reforms, the Liberals bench sent a 17-year-old page to deliver the premier a copy of their policy book.

Klein muttered: “I don’t need this crap,” and immediately tossed it, narrowly missing the legislative page. After fielding some angry phone calls, Klein called the page, Jennifer Huygen, to apologize for the incident and explain that the booklet, which he said he tossed over his shoulder, wasn’t aimed at her. “I was frustrated. I made a mistake — a big mistake,” Klein said.

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12 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

No you're not.  

 

You'll keep coming back because like Strome you desire and crave the attention.  PS it's adorable that you two are getting along all of a sudden, and over the same stuff too :) 

 

For a person who is "exhausted" from working all day, you managed to put in some serious legwork creating a false and rapidly disproved narrative of RCMP violence against the protestors and first nations members of the Unis'To;'Ten camp

Hey I like KOS...specifically his political views and his love for southern Alberta. :ph34r:

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1 minute ago, Ryan Strome said:

@kingofsurrey

Like I said "king Ralph."

 

Ralph Klein’s chief of staff once described his boss as “a cat with nine lives.”

Klein committed a multitude of blunders during his 26 year career in civic and provincial politics that most politicians would not have survived. Some even called him the Teflon premier because no controversy seemed to stick to him for very long.

Martha and Henry and the Grundys, as Klein often called the average Albertan, could not hold a grudge. Here’s a look at nine headline grabbing mini-scandals of Klein’s colourful career.

1. Bums and Creeps

Klein never did call newcomers to Alberta “bums and creeps” when he was Calgary mayor. What he did say at a Calgary Newcomers Club dinner on Jan. 6, 1982, was his city does not welcome “bums” and he’ll protect Calgarians from “a lot of creeps” looking for work.

Although he never used the word “eastern” he claimed there were more Quebeckers in Calgary jails than First Nations people. What Klein was trying to say was the city did not need unskilled, uneducated, and unemployed transients from other provinces who would simply add to the unemployment lines, welfare rolls and jail populations. But the comment vilified Klein in central and Eastern Canada.

2. Flipping the ‘bird’

As environment minister in Don Getty’s cabinet in 1990, Klein took heat from environmentalists at a press conference to announce the approval of the controversial Alberta Pacific pulp mill. First Nations communities were upset the pulp mills were polluting lakes and streams, and environmentalists were calling for tougher pollution controls. And they didn’t always express themselves politely.

When bearded and parka-clad activist Randy Lawrence came up to the stage to give each of the officials at the press conference “the finger,” Klein flipped him the same gesture in return. A photographer captured the one-finger salute and, once again, Klein was in hot water for his unseemly behaviour.

3. Multi-Corp

The Multi-Corp scandal in 1995 nearly ended Klein’s reign as premier only three years after it began. Liberal Frank Bruseker pushed Klein’s career to the edge when he revealed the premier’s wife Colleen had purchased shares in the computer software company shortly after Klein had participated in a ribbon-cutting ceremony at the company’s Hong Kong office.

It turned out to be a sweetheart deal since Colleen wasn’t required to pay for the shares, which she acquired at below market price, until she sold them. Klein vowed to resign if Ethics Commissioner Bob Clark found him guilty. Clark eventually ruled there had been a technical breach of the law, but that it had been unintentional.

4. Shoot, shovel and shut-up

One of Klein’s most remembered remarks occurred in the midst of the 2003 mad cow crisis when he infamously told a meeting of Western Governors in Big Sky, Mont., that “any self respecting rancher would have shot, shovelled and shut up” after discovering one of his cows was suffering from bovine spongiform encephalopathy, or BSE. “Instead he took it to an abattoir and it was discovered after testing in both Winnipeg and the U.K. that this cow had mad cow disease,” the premier said.

His spokesman at the time said Klein was just being sarcastic and was not advocating ranchers cover up the discovery of sick cows on their farms. The premier’s comment was slammed by opposition critics and industry officials.

5. Drunk at a drop-in centre

Klein’s early morning visit to an inner city homeless shelter in Edmonton in September 2001 prompted him to address his drinking in a very public way. Klein eventually admitted he stopped at the Herb Jamieson Centre on his way home from dinner and drinks with friends and became argumentative with several men he found sitting in the foyer.

Witnesses said the premier was slurring, cursing and yelling at the men to get jobs. “All I can say is that if I caused any inconvenience or any uproar I certainly apologize,” Klein said. “But there was no malice intended whatsoever.” Friends say Klein quietly became a big supporter of homeless shelters in the wake of the incident. He also stopped drinking in public.

6. The AISH remarks

It was most often Klein’s tongue that got him into trouble. When he went off script, his communications director would cringe. During the 2004 election campaign, he told a Calgary crowd of supporters about two women he’d encountered who were smoking cigarettes outside and “yipping” at him to raise payments provided under Alberta’s Assured Income for the Severely Handicapped or AISH program.

“They didn’t look severely handicapped to me,” he remarked to the crowd. The crack sparked a storm of controversy during a campaign that had been until that point deathly boring and it cost the Tories about 200,000 votes, compared to what they had garnered in the previous election.

7. Pinochet, plagiarism and the paper

Sometimes Klein’s efforts to pull himself out of trouble just got him in deeper. His remark in the legislature in May 2004 that socialism drove Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet to mount a coup, had him scrambling the next day to clarify what he meant.

With angry protesters on the steps of the legislature demanding he apologize, Klein tabled a rambling 13-page essay he wrote on the subject for a correspondence course in communications. Two days later, he was branded a plagiarist for lifting much of the paper from various websites without proper attribution. His education minister then compounded the controversy by phoning the heads of universities to urge them to write letters to newspapers defending the premier.

8. “You calling me a liar?”

A rare appearance by Klein before an all-party legislature committee probing his expenses turned into bizarre theatre in May 2004 when the premier harangued Liberal MLA Laurie Blakeman and demanded to know if she was calling him a liar. Blakeman drew his ire when she requested he provide a copy of a receipt to prove he paid $2,500 for using government aircraft to take a side trip to a Nova Scotia golf course during a premier’s conference in Atlantic Canada.

In a scene reminiscent of Robert De Niro in the movie Taxi Driver, the exasperated premier repeatedly inquired: “Are you calling me a liar?” Blakeman stood her ground. “The nastier he got, the nicer I got,” she said later.

9. “I don’t need this crap.”

Near the end of Klein’s reign, after announcing he planned to retire in 2007, he seemed uncharacteristically cranky. During one boisterous session in the legislature, in which he was attacked over his proposed health care reforms, the Liberals bench sent a 17-year-old page to deliver the premier a copy of their policy book.

Klein muttered: “I don’t need this crap,” and immediately tossed it, narrowly missing the legislative page. After fielding some angry phone calls, Klein called the page, Jennifer Huygen, to apologize for the incident and explain that the booklet, which he said he tossed over his shoulder, wasn’t aimed at her. “I was frustrated. I made a mistake — a big mistake,” Klein said.

My fav was drunk at the drop in centre..

 

That is something i could see myself doing for sure....

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2 minutes ago, CBH1926 said:

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You aren't wrong, but this isn't the root of the protest.  It's first nations arguing among themselves over jurisdiction issues.  Fueling the fire like this is the equivalent of my girlfriend bringing up the time I checked out her friend when she's mad at me for leaving the seat up.

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