Ryan Strome Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, CBH1926 said: The treatment of first nations is an absolute disgrace and all we get from both parties is fake apologies and lip service. I really like the Alberta approach of directly do business with First Nation reserves, energy, fracking and allowing them to open businesses to empower their communities and show we are united in building a better future for the younger generation. @Jimmy McGill and myself have long said TMX needs to be sold to first nations to bring in more revenue for their people. Edited February 11, 2020 by Ryan Strome 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: Yet the social justice Warriors pack the Trump thread complaining about Injustices done to black people. Certainly they have been thru a lot throughout their history. But yeah the numbers don't lie. 11 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: Yah but Hip knows a first nations guy that is doing great... he will pipe in soon to let us know about his buddy.. 10 minutes ago, King Heffy said: You aren't wrong, but this isn't the root of the protest. It's first nations arguing among themselves over jurisdiction issues. Fueling the fire like this is the equivalent of my girlfriend bringing up the time I checked out her friend when she's mad at me for leaving the seat up. This will fall under anecdotal evidence, but still I would like to share. In the past 20 years of visiting B.C as well as Ontario, Quebec etc. I found that overwhelming majority of racism in Canada is directed towards indigenous population. Edited February 11, 2020 by CBH1926 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Just now, CBH1926 said: This will fall under anecdotal evidence, but still I would like to share. In the past 20 of visiting B.C as well as Ontario, Quebec etc. I found that overwhelming majority of racism in Canada is directed towards indigenous population. 1) Gross..why? 2) you aren't wrong. Especially Saskatchewan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 1 minute ago, CBH1926 said: This will fall under anecdotal evidence, but still I would like to share. In the past 20 years of visiting B.C as well as Ontario, Quebec etc. I found that overwhelming majority of racism in Canada is directed towards indigenous population. I don't think anyone thinks you're wrong. I'm also not sure what this has to do with the jurisdiction issues that are the root cause. One group of first nations leaders wanted the pipeline; one didn't. Unless you're arguing they're being racist against each other, the race issue is irrelevant. Take it to court where it belongs and leave the public out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 20 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: 1) Gross..why? 2) you aren't wrong. Especially Saskatchewan. Their food is really good, plus old section of Montreal reminds me of Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 25 minutes ago, King Heffy said: I don't think anyone thinks you're wrong. I'm also not sure what this has to do with the jurisdiction issues that are the root cause. One group of first nations leaders wanted the pipeline; one didn't. Unless you're arguing they're being racist against each other, the race issue is irrelevant. Take it to court where it belongs and leave the public out of it. No I’m not, but read some of the comments in the thread though “greedy” “lock them up” “lazy” I have a feeling that if Norwegians were protesting you would not see those types of comments. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Good read in todays Sun... “It’s important to know that Indigenous people have Indigenous laws that go back thousands of years,” she wrote on social media. “The elected band council system is a colonial construct with the historic intention of annihilating Canada’s First Peoples.” The natural gas feeder pipeline for the project was crossing the territory of both the Wet’suwet’en and Gitxsan people. But the chosen route was not across the reserve land overseen by the band councils. Rather, in the case of the Gitxsan, “it crosses hereditary house group territory subject to aboriginal title.” As for the Wet’suwet’en, “no hereditary chiefs have said yes to pipelines in their territories. In fact, they’ve said no to LNG-related gas pipelines across their traditional territories.” He professed to be “aware that the laws of Canada must be upheld and court injunctions must be followed,” while adding that in his view, “two systems of law,” one Indigenous, one Canadian “are colliding.” RELATED https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/vaughn-palmer-past-ndp-statements-may-have-laid-foundation-for-pipeline-protests Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, CBH1926 said: No I’m not, but read some of the comments in the thread though “greedy” “lock them up” “lazy” I have a feeling that if Norwegians were protesting you would not see those types of comments. If a bunch of Norwegians blocked every bridge in town over something that should be in the courts, you bet I'd be all over them too. This is an internal issue with First Nations. I wanted to stay out of it because it's not my business whose jurisdiction it is, but they're doing a good job of making me support the pipeline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, King Heffy said: If a bunch of Norwegians blocked every bridge in town over something that should be in the courts, you bet I'd be all over them too. This is an internal issue with First Nations. I wanted to stay out of it because it's not my business whose jurisdiction it is, but they're doing a good job of making me support the pipeline. We have a corrupt court system in BC so people are giving up on going that route...... Look at how the BC Liberal government tore up negotiated teachers contracts for 10 years...screwed teachers for 10 years.. and in the end gave them zero compensation...... and the BC court system supported the sham. Special needs kids in BC lost supports for over 10 years...... Finally the CDN supreme court had to make a ruling against the BC Supreme court This kind of corruption in our province's court system is making citizens feeling very left out of our society... Look at how the RCMP is used to intimidate / harass / arrest elders and children off of their own land that are peaceful protesting... Even threaten them with sniper teams and potential lethal force... Enough is enough in BC. People here want to treated fairly and with dignitiy. Edited February 11, 2020 by kingofsurrey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 1 minute ago, kingofsurrey said: We have a corrupt court system in BC so people are giving up on going that route...... Look at how the BC Liberal government tore up negotiated teachers contracts for 10 years...screwed teachers for 10 years.. and in the end gave them zero compensation...... and the BC court system supported the sham. Special needs kids in BC lost supports for over 10 years...... Finally the CDN supreme court had to make a ruling against the BC Supreme court This kind of corruption in our province's court system is making citizens feeling very left out of our society... Look at how the RCMP is used to intimidate / harass / arrest elders and children off of their own land that are peaceful protesting... Even threaten them with sniper teams and potential lethal force... Enough is enough in BC. People here want to treated fairly and with dignitiy. Any lethal force would be used to protect police officers if necessary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 1 minute ago, King Heffy said: Any lethal force would be used to protect police officers if necessary. Yes, of course... but the mere threat of it to a bunch of female protesters.. elders and children.. Well that is pretty disrespectful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 59 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: Yah but Hip knows a first nations guy that is doing great... he will pipe in soon to let us know about his buddy.. Correction champ I AM a first nations guy. You post the same drivel but know absolutely nothing about our people. keep pretending otherwise 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Correction champ I AM a first nations guy. You post the same drivel but know absolutely nothing about our people. keep pretending otherwise OK champ.... u still only get your news off facebook... ? Edited February 11, 2020 by kingofsurrey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: OK champ.... u still only get your news off facebook... ? Awww youure using one of Strome's talking points. Cute stuff. Wanna call me a socialist now? Oh accuse me of defending JT? Maybe...claim to know more about the issues of say residential schools? How about run back to the claim of RCMP officers being told/ordered to shoot to kill at the protestors camp that you then backtracked wildly on before changing your entire tone and dropping the subject. Can't wait to see what gem you dredge up while hovering on teh verge of personal attacks because you know full well you're talking out of your Messier hole 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Warhippy said: Awww youure using one of Strome's talking points. Cute stuff. Wanna call me a socialist now? Oh accuse me of defending JT? Maybe...claim to know more about the issues of say residential schools? How about run back to the claim of RCMP officers being told/ordered to shoot to kill at the protestors camp that you then backtracked wildly on before changing your entire tone and dropping the subject. Can't wait to see what gem you dredge up while hovering on teh verge of personal attacks because you know full well you're talking out of your Messier hole Keep yelling at clouds. Your delusion is clear to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Just now, kingofsurrey said: Keep yelling at clouds. Your delusion is clear to see. Told you. You desire and need the attention. You're going nowhere. Not while there's a "shoot to kill order" you swear exists on innocent protestors or the possibility someone will validate you 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Told you. You desire and need the attention. You're going nowhere. Not while there's a "shoot to kill order" you swear exists on innocent protestors or the possibility someone will validate you If only you read newspapers instead of facebook....... https://www.straight.com/news/1339471/guardian-reports-rcmp-was-prepared-shoot-indigenous-pipeline-protesters-bc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Just now, kingofsurrey said: If only you read newspapers instead of facebook....... https://www.straight.com/news/1339471/guardian-reports-rcmp-was-prepared-shoot-indigenous-pipeline-protesters-bc So you trot out the exact same story from a publication closely as left as the tyee full of the same allegations, notes, unproven statements from a far left paper from the UK that has about as much knowledge of first nations issues as the UN or...you And that's what, proof? It literally says the exact same thing as the last 3 papers you trotted out because thus far you've proven absolutely nothing and even the lawyer of the protestors and band say that the police are nothing but calm polite and professional but... Somehow, someway you have a link so therefore you know better. Those durned cops are out to shoot to kill innocent people right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Just now, Warhippy said: So you trot out the exact same story from a publication closely as left as the tyee full of the same allegations, notes, unproven statements from a far left paper from the UK that has about as much knowledge of first nations issues as the UN or...you And that's what, proof? It literally says the exact same thing as the last 3 papers you trotted out because thus far you've proven absolutely nothing and even the lawyer of the protestors and band say that the police are nothing but calm polite and professional but... Somehow, someway you have a link so therefore you know better. Those durned cops are out to shoot to kill innocent people right? Of course the rcmp do not shoot innocent people Now you are doing crazy talk. Did you get that off of facebook too ? The thing is though when the police publicly state they with use lethal force before they even enter into any police action.. that talk / behaviour is threatening and is not well received and it only raises tension and anger. A negotiated settlement is the way forward and respect is essential in effective negotiations. Police threats are not going to accomplish anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, Warhippy said: And that's what, proof? It literally says the exact same thing as the last 3 papers you trotted So you don't recognize the CBC as well ? https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/rcmp-snipers-first-nation-pipeline-protest-guardian-1.5405111 Well i guess no Canadian newspaper can match your source for factual news ..... FACEBOOK... LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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