[Proposal] Van - Wild

[Doogie]

To Min:

Demko

Boeser

Stetcher

2nd round pick 

 

To Van:

Dubnyk

Dumba

Greenway or Fiala 

4th round pick 

 

Why Vancouver does it:

- Vancouver needs to shore up its D for the playoffs enter Dumba.

- Not have to expose Demko in the expansion draft and can resign Markstrom to an extension. Then expose Dubnyk in expansion. If he doesn’t get selected trade him at next TDL or he becomes UFA. Bring up Dipietro. 

 

- Boeser is great and I hate to trade him but it seems his father’s ailment has affected his play a little this season. Do him a favor and trade him so he could be closer to his father. In return we get either  Fiala or Greenway.

- Stetcher is an rfa and could be a good fit in the third pairing for the Wild. 
 

Why Minnesota does it:

- They are no where close to a contender, it’s time to start over. 

 

- Demko would be there goalie of the future. 

 

- Boeser would be their hometown hero. He plays to his abilities as he is closer to his father. 
 

- They get a serviceable D-men to play on their third pairing or could fill in, in their top 4. 
 

You may need to tinker a bit so the values are fair for both teams ie add a pick/prospect on either or both sides. 

Edited February 14, 2020 by Doogie

[Angry Goose]

Lol I was thinking about something similar.  With Boeser and Stetcher's North Dakota roots etc. there's a good fit there.  Dumba seems like a great piece to have on the back end going forward the next few years with guys like Miller, Horvat, Virtanen etc.

Edited February 14, 2020 by SILLY GOOSE

[Nuxfanabroad]

That looks pretty darn sweet..nice one, OP. I'd made a prop for Greenway/1st, for Brock before.

 

I'd suggest Minny should hold 1.5-2 mill of Dubie's cap hit to make numbers jive.

Definitely take Greenway here. We need that size, & ELC, low $ hit

[mll]

Dreger on Insider Trading reports that the asking price for Dumba is a C1 or otherwise a C2 with an add.   Friedman in his 31 thoughts talks of an elite C1 or a C2 with a couple of 1st round picks.   Guerin isn't looking to move Dumba unless in a Jones for Johansen type deal.

 

The Wild have plenty of wingers and have no playmaking Cs in sight.  Their top-6 wings are full and their bottom-6 is solid as well as their D-corps.

 

Boeser's production would drop in Minnesota - they have no one to set him up.  It's wasting Dumba's trade value to bring in a scoring winger when they can't make full use of his ability.

 

Stecher is of no use to Minnesota - he wouldn't crack their top-4 (even without Dumba) and doesn't have the offence or intimidating factor to be a 3rd pairing D on their team. The Wild are the best defensive team in the league - they are the best at limiting quality chances against.  It's goaltending letting them down. Kahkonen was drafted the same year as Demko and has been very solid when recalled - he might be ready next season or they will look for a stop-gap. Adding Demko would just block him and it's not like Demko is more proven as a starter.  

 

Fiala is turning into that game breaker that Fenton described. There is no way that they trade him now.  Media and long time Wild observers are talking of how they've hardly ever had a player like him in Wild history.  He had a rough start in October but since 1 November he has been more productive than Boeser with far less favourable deployment - no PP1 and no decent C to play with.  

 

Edited February 14, 2020 by mll

[Drakrami]

Not a bad proposal. We do lose a 30 goal scorer though and the pieces coming back doesnt exactly add up to 30 goals. 

[Nicklas Bo Hunter]

they want a center back for Dumba.

[Alflives]

Boeser by himself is worth more than Dumba.  And we add Demko too?  

 

[mll]

13 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Boeser by himself is worth more than Dumba.  And we add Demko too?  

 

The Wild are not looking to move Dumba unless per Friedman:  "I don’t get the sense he’s inclined to do anything with either [Dumba or Brodin], unless it involves an elite centre, or maybe a No. 2 centre, providing that includes something extra — like a couple of first-rounders or something along those lines."

[Alflives]

32 minutes ago, mll said:

The Wild are not looking to move Dumba unless per Friedman:  "I don’t get the sense he’s inclined to do anything with either [Dumba or Brodin], unless it involves an elite centre, or maybe a No. 2 centre, providing that includes something extra — like a couple of first-rounders or something along those lines."

GM’s use hockey writers as their propaganda puppets.  Boeser is worth more than Dumba.  That’s a fact. 

[mll]

10 minutes ago, Alflives said:

GM’s use hockey writers as their propaganda puppets.  Boeser is worth more than Dumba.  That’s a fact. 

Boeser would have trouble succeeding in Minnesota.  They have no playmaking Cs to set him up.  It doesn't make sense to add him with how their team is set up for now.  

 

Edited February 14, 2020 by mll

[Alflives]

17 minutes ago, mll said:

Boeser would have trouble succeeding in Minnesota.  They have no playmaking Cs to set him up.  It doesn't make sense to add him with how their team is set up for now.  

 

Actually, Boeser drives play.  He’s a great skill and an extremely high hockey IQ.  He’d be Minnesota’s best play maker.  Moot point though.  He’s a piece of our young core.  

Plus, Dumba is not an improvement over Stecher.  Their point totals are similar, and (when factoring in their plus minus numbers) they are pretty much a wash five on five.  Stecher is cheaper, and gives us the same five on five.  

[wildcam]

1 hour ago, Alflives said:

Boeser by himself is worth more than Dumba.  And we add Demko too?  

 

 Boser will be a 27--35 goal scorer - 58-65 point guy..

We might have to trade Boser as we have big salaries coming up and return for Boser is very good..

 

I would trade Boser for Dumba ,smart hockey move as Dumba is for sure a top 2 D man only 26 years old..

Dumba is way better then Stetcher.....Dumba would make  Canucks D very very solid...

 

 

Trading Demko or Markstrom will happen before May 2021 and return will be very good also..

 

I feel Demko will be ready for #1 job next season and he is 5 years younger then Markstrom..

Lots of changes have to happen and return will make Vancouver exciting..

 

 

 

Edited February 14, 2020 by wildcam

[mll]

Just now, Alflives said:

Actually, Boeser drives play.  He’s a great skill and an extremely high hockey IQ.  He’d be Minnesota’s best play maker.  Moot point though.  He’s a piece of our young core.  

Plus, Dumba is not an improvement over Stecher.  Their point totals are similar, and (when factoring in their plus minus numbers) they are pretty much a wash five on five.  Stecher is cheaper, and gives us the same five on five.  

After a difficult October Fiala has better production with far lesser linemates and opportunities than Boeser since 1 November.  He's had a slower start to his career but is starting to look like the game breaker Fenton described.

 

Dumba was coming back from season ending pectoral surgery and it's taken time to get back up to speed.  He is looking far more like his old self these last games.  Stecher wouldn't be able to crack the Wild's D-corps.  

 

As you say moot point.  Benning is not trading Boeser and the Wild aren't going to use one of their best trade chips to get a winger when they desperately need a C1 or at least a C2.  

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, mll said:

After a difficult October Fiala has better production with far lesser linemates and opportunities than Boeser since 1 November.  He's had a slower start to his career but is starting to look like the game breaker Fenton described.

 

Dumba was coming back from season ending pectoral surgery and it's taken time to get back up to speed.  He is looking far more like his old self these last games.  Stecher wouldn't be able to crack the Wild's D-corps.  

 

As you say moot point.  Benning is not trading Boeser and the Wild aren't going to use one of their best trade chips to get a winger when they desperately need a C1 or at least a C2.  

Just heard Wild fired Boudreaux!  I wonder if this means no trades, so the new coach can with with the current players? 

[JM_]

6 hours ago, mll said:

Boeser's production would drop in Minnesota - they have no one to set him up.  It's wasting Dumba's trade value to bring in a scoring winger when they can't make full use of his ability.

 

Fiala is turning into that game breaker that Fenton described. There is no way that they trade him now.  Media and long time Wild observers are talking of how they've hardly ever had a player like him in Wild history.  He had a rough start in October but since 1 November he has been more productive than Boeser with far less favourable deployment - no PP1 and no decent C to play with.  

 

didn't MIN want to replace Zucker with Boes in the summer? I suspect there's a pretty high opinion of Brock there and they'd love to have him. 

 

I'm sure they'd like to get a 1C for Dumba - personally I don't think he's worth it, and wouldn't want us to give that up for him. Maybe Bergevin can trade Kotkaniemi for him. 

Edited February 14, 2020 by Jimmy McGill

[kenhodgejr]

If Minnesota is looking for a Centre we have Tyler Madden thats projecting to be a really good top 6 C. A future forward line of Boldy Madden Boeser would be pretty good. 

 

To keep the trade simple. Boeser, Stetcher, Madden 

 

for Dumba 

 

Then we go into the playoffs this year with Markstrom and Demko in net and trade Demko in the off season when his value is higher. 

 

Dumba is a high end puck mover who ill give our defence a new look 

 

Miller Pettersson Virtanen 

Pearson Horvat Eriksson 

Roussel Gaudette MacEwan 

Schaller Beagle Sutter 

Ferland Motte 

 

Baertchi Baily Graovac Boucher 

 

Edler Dumba 

Hughes Tanev 

Benn Myers 

 

Markstrom 

Demko 

 

 

 

Edited February 14, 2020 by kenhodgejr

[Maddogy]

7 hours ago, mll said:

Dreger on Insider Trading reports that the asking price for Dumba is a C1 or otherwise a C2 with an add.   Friedman in his 31 thoughts talks of an elite C1 or a C2 with a couple of 1st round picks.   Guerin isn't looking to move Dumba unless in a Jones for Johansen type deal.

 

The Wild have plenty of wingers and have no playmaking Cs in sight.  Their top-6 wings are full and their bottom-6 is solid as well as their D-corps.

 

Boeser's production would drop in Minnesota - they have no one to set him up.  It's wasting Dumba's trade value to bring in a scoring winger when they can't make full use of his ability.

 

Stecher is of no use to Minnesota - he wouldn't crack their top-4 (even without Dumba) and doesn't have the offence or intimidating factor to be a 3rd pairing D on their team. The Wild are the best defensive team in the league - they are the best at limiting quality chances against.  It's goaltending letting them down. Kahkonen was drafted the same year as Demko and has been very solid when recalled - he might be ready next season or they will look for a stop-gap. Adding Demko would just block him and it's not like Demko is more proven as a starter.  

 

Fiala is turning into that game breaker that Fenton described. There is no way that they trade him now.  Media and long time Wild observers are talking of how they've hardly ever had a player like him in Wild history.  He had a rough start in October but since 1 November he has been more productive than Boeser with far less favourable deployment - no PP1 and no decent C to play with.  

 

The difficulty is that Nashville lost the trade. Ryan Johansen is a good centre but not a franchise centre. Nashville is paying for not having a franchise centre this season. There are less than 31 franchise centres in the league. Not enough to go around. Min has to overpay to get a franchise centre. Dumba would not be sufficient. Min has to hope to draft a franchise centre. 

 

 

[mll]

1 hour ago, Maddogy said:

The difficulty is that Nashville lost the trade. Ryan Johansen is a good centre but not a franchise centre. Nashville is paying for not having a franchise centre this season. There are less than 31 franchise centres in the league. Not enough to go around. Min has to overpay to get a franchise centre. Dumba would not be sufficient. Min has to hope to draft a franchise centre. 

 

 

I don't expect Dumba to be traded.  They will have to draft their C1.  Guerin seems very determined on not accepting anything less than what he really wants.  

 

[Maddogy]

7 minutes ago, mll said:

I don't expect Dumba to be traded.  They will have to draft their C1.  Guerin seems very determined on not accepting anything less than what he really wants.  

 

The X factor is Min owner. I have no idea how Min is doing profit wise and how patient the fan base is. 

[Jtutino]

1 hour ago, kenhodgejr said:

If Minnesota is looking for a Centre we have Tyler Madden thats projecting to be a really good top 6 C. A future forward line of Boldy Madden Boeser would be pretty good. 

 

To keep the trade simple. Boeser, Stetcher, Madden 

 

for Dumba 

 

Then we go into the playoffs this year with Markstrom and Demko in net and trade Demko in the off season when his value is higher. 

 

Dumba is a high end puck mover who ill give our defence a new look 

 

Miller Pettersson Virtanen 

Pearson Horvat Eriksson 

Roussel Gaudette MacEwan 

Schaller Beagle Sutter 

Ferland Motte 

 

Baertchi Baily Graovac Boucher 

 

Edler Dumba 

Hughes Tanev 

Benn Myers 

 

Markstrom 

Demko 

 

 

 

Dumba isnt a high end puck moving defender.. the guy has less assists than Tanev. Hes a rugged defender that plays way bigger than his size. This is the only season in the last 5 years that we havent struggled to score goals and it seems everyone wants to trade away are depth. Brock is having a tough season on the ice but still could reach 60 points and he's dealing with alot of off ice stuff aswell. It was almost predictable he would have a down year but he has lots of character and he'll bounce back!