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New Jersey receives

Stecher, Madden

 

Vancouver receives

Simmonds, Bahl

 

Why NJ does it:  Two pieces going forward for their future, one of whom is ready to step in, and would be a good fit with their defensive group.  They are likely to lose a D in the expansion draft as things stand.  Madden's size will be less of an issue in the East, and they'll be more than able to make room for him.

 

Why Vancouver does it:  Simmonds provides an immediate Ferland replacement.  We likely can't afford Stecher next year, and he's replaceable this year assuming Tryamkin comes over.  We have a bit of a logjam of good middle 6 forward prospects.  Bahl provides some much needed size and snarl in our D prospect pool, and moves very well for his size.

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1 minute ago, coastal.view said:

sure an better still

if loui, schaller, and luongo's recapture penalty

are thrown in

yummy ..... :wub:

None of us know where that magical threshold sits.

 

There's no question they'd LOVE to promote John Madden's son, in that mediocre market. So where's the number? 3, 4..5 mill?! How much of next yr's cap-commitment would they take on, to grease these trade wheels?

 

It's certainly a worthwhile question for Van's hierarchy to mull over

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30 minutes ago, Fanuck said:

Baer and a conditional 4th for Simmonds should do it.  If you look at what NSH paid to rent him last time....

I keep reading that Simmonds is slower than cold molasses (Lucic basically).  Do we want that?  Maybe we’re good with Big Mac, who is a lot younger, more hungry, and WAY FASTER? 

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That's solid reasoning, but I still wouldn't do it. Mostly because I'm not keen on our acquiring Simmonds and I think what he's capable of doing for the Canucks is overblown. Bringing in Simmonds isn't going to stop teams from running our guys or playing tough, if they want to dissuade that they'll need to battle for each other harder as group. They need to push back more. Temporarily having Simmonds isn't going to change that as he's not gonna do it alone. 

 

Bahl would be interesting though. 

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22 minutes ago, Alflives said:

I keep reading that Simmonds is slower than cold molasses (Lucic basically).  Do we want that?  Maybe we’re good with Big Mac, who is a lot younger, more hungry, and WAY FASTER? 

He's not Lucic, but he's not the player he was. I'd rather see Mac as it doesn't cost us anything, and hopefully Tram down the road. 

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NJD are building around Hughes and Hischier - they are going to be their C1/C2 for years to come.  Madden is not going to dislodge them and at C3 it would make them so slight down the middle.  

 

Madden is a 3rd round pick and there is really no guarantee that he amounts to anything - like any 3rd round pick.  

 

Not only their top-3 Cs would be undersized, but they get another undersize player in Stecher and remove further size on D.  On D they already have Butcher who they just extended.  At wing they also have Bratt and Gusev.  How much smaller should they become.

 

NJD really wanted Bahl in the Taylor Hall deal.  It just doesn't make all that much sense to replace a prospect with potential, that fits the age group of the core they are building around, with Stecher who is what he is - an undersized 3rd pairing D with arbitration rights and a too high qualifying offer.  


NJD has cap space and is not forced to make a move they don't want to.  Would think that they are well aware of Ferland's health and that the Canucks are looking to add toughness.  LeBrun says they are undecided on moving Simmonds.  He also believe that the Penguins will show interest.  

 

The Canucks are not in a very strong bargaining position.  They have no end of season cap space and are operating in LTIR which is going to create a bonus overage - Pettersson/Hughes are going to hit the max on their schedule A.  It's evident that they have to move contracts out.   Teams might use that as leverage to increase their ask if they have to take a cap dump contract back.  

 

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7 minutes ago, mll said:

NJD are building around Hughes and Hischier - they are going to be their C1/C2 for years to come.  Madden is not going to dislodge them and at C3 it would make them so slight down the middle.  

 

Madden is a 3rd round pick and there is really no guarantee that he amounts to anything - like any 3rd round pick.  

 

Not only their top-3 Cs would be undersized, but they get another undersize player in Stecher and remove further size on D.  On D they already have Butcher who they just extended.  At wing they also have Bratt and Gusev.  How much smaller should they become.

 

NJD really wanted Bahl in the Taylor Hall deal.  They are still in rebuild mode - it just doesn't make all that much sense to replace a prospect with potential, that fits the age group of the core they are building around, with Stecher who is what he is - an undersized 3rd pairing D with arbitration rights and a too high qualifying offer.  


NJD has cap space and is not forced to make a move they don't want to.  Would think that they are well aware of Ferland's health and that the Canucks are looking to add toughness.  LeBrun says they are undecided on moving Simmonds.  He also believe that the Penguins will show interest.  

 

The Canucks are not in a very strong bargaining position.  They have no end of season cap space and are operating in LTIR which is going to create a bonus overage - Pettersson/Hughes are going to hit the max on their schedule A.  It's evident that they have to move contracts out.   Teams might use that as leverage to increase their ask if they have to take a cap dump contract back.  

 

If the Devils are building around Hughes and Hischier as their top centres they are dumbos.  That’s a losing scenario.  Those two guys are both tiny dancers.  They are going to get killed on the defensive side of the game, especially when they don’t have the puck.  Madden is not the answer there either.  They actually need a centre like Hockey Gaud.  

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7 minutes ago, Alflives said:

If the Devils are building around Hughes and Hischier as their top centres they are dumbos.  That’s a losing scenario.  Those two guys are both tiny dancers.  They are going to get killed on the defensive side of the game, especially when they don’t have the puck.  Madden is not the answer there either.  They actually need a centre like Hockey Gaud.  

Hischier is actually really good defensively.  He's also very good at getting to the scoring areas.  He was top-15 in high danger shots last season according to SportlogIQ's video tracking.  He's not sheltered and plays against the opponents best players.  He's probably their next captain.  Don't think they need Gaudette when they have Zacha.

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