King Heffy Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 New Jersey receives Stecher, Madden Vancouver receives Simmonds, Bahl Why NJ does it: Two pieces going forward for their future, one of whom is ready to step in, and would be a good fit with their defensive group. They are likely to lose a D in the expansion draft as things stand. Madden's size will be less of an issue in the East, and they'll be more than able to make room for him. Why Vancouver does it: Simmonds provides an immediate Ferland replacement. We likely can't afford Stecher next year, and he's replaceable this year assuming Tryamkin comes over. We have a bit of a logjam of good middle 6 forward prospects. Bahl provides some much needed size and snarl in our D prospect pool, and moves very well for his size. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Type R Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 NJ already has an undersized C, I can't see them chasing another. I'm not in a rush to chase Madden out of here, we may need him yet as Sutter continues to age, and becomes tougher to offload, same with Beagle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Have them also take Baer, & it looks even better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 I wouldn't give up Madden for a rental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted February 16, 2020 Author Share Posted February 16, 2020 Just now, VegasCanuck said: I wouldn't give up Madden for a rental. Which is why I'm suggesting getting Bahl back, who's an excellent defensive prospect with size. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nuxfanabroad said: Have them also take Baer, & it looks even better sure and better still if loui, schaller, and luongo's recapture penalty are thrown in yummy ..... Edited February 16, 2020 by coastal.view 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 1 minute ago, coastal.view said: sure an better still if loui, schaller, and luongo's recapture penalty are thrown in yummy ..... None of us know where that magical threshold sits. There's no question they'd LOVE to promote John Madden's son, in that mediocre market. So where's the number? 3, 4..5 mill?! How much of next yr's cap-commitment would they take on, to grease these trade wheels? It's certainly a worthwhile question for Van's hierarchy to mull over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Baer and a conditional 4th for Simmonds should do it. If you look at what NSH paid to rent him last time.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 30 minutes ago, Fanuck said: Baer and a conditional 4th for Simmonds should do it. If you look at what NSH paid to rent him last time.... I keep reading that Simmonds is slower than cold molasses (Lucic basically). Do we want that? Maybe we’re good with Big Mac, who is a lot younger, more hungry, and WAY FASTER? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) That's solid reasoning, but I still wouldn't do it. Mostly because I'm not keen on our acquiring Simmonds and I think what he's capable of doing for the Canucks is overblown. Bringing in Simmonds isn't going to stop teams from running our guys or playing tough, if they want to dissuade that they'll need to battle for each other harder as group. They need to push back more. Temporarily having Simmonds isn't going to change that as he's not gonna do it alone. Bahl would be interesting though. Edited February 16, 2020 by Coconuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 22 minutes ago, Alflives said: I keep reading that Simmonds is slower than cold molasses (Lucic basically). Do we want that? Maybe we’re good with Big Mac, who is a lot younger, more hungry, and WAY FASTER? He's not Lucic, but he's not the player he was. I'd rather see Mac as it doesn't cost us anything, and hopefully Tram down the road. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Coconuts said: He's not Lucic, but he's not the player he was. I'd rather see Mac as it doesn't cost us anything, and hopefully Tram down the road. Off topic. Please never change your little coconut trumpeter. Love that little guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) NJD are building around Hughes and Hischier - they are going to be their C1/C2 for years to come. Madden is not going to dislodge them and at C3 it would make them so slight down the middle. Madden is a 3rd round pick and there is really no guarantee that he amounts to anything - like any 3rd round pick. Not only their top-3 Cs would be undersized, but they get another undersize player in Stecher and remove further size on D. On D they already have Butcher who they just extended. At wing they also have Bratt and Gusev. How much smaller should they become. NJD really wanted Bahl in the Taylor Hall deal. It just doesn't make all that much sense to replace a prospect with potential, that fits the age group of the core they are building around, with Stecher who is what he is - an undersized 3rd pairing D with arbitration rights and a too high qualifying offer. NJD has cap space and is not forced to make a move they don't want to. Would think that they are well aware of Ferland's health and that the Canucks are looking to add toughness. LeBrun says they are undecided on moving Simmonds. He also believe that the Penguins will show interest. The Canucks are not in a very strong bargaining position. They have no end of season cap space and are operating in LTIR which is going to create a bonus overage - Pettersson/Hughes are going to hit the max on their schedule A. It's evident that they have to move contracts out. Teams might use that as leverage to increase their ask if they have to take a cap dump contract back. Edited February 16, 2020 by mll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, mll said: NJD are building around Hughes and Hischier - they are going to be their C1/C2 for years to come. Madden is not going to dislodge them and at C3 it would make them so slight down the middle. Madden is a 3rd round pick and there is really no guarantee that he amounts to anything - like any 3rd round pick. Not only their top-3 Cs would be undersized, but they get another undersize player in Stecher and remove further size on D. On D they already have Butcher who they just extended. At wing they also have Bratt and Gusev. How much smaller should they become. NJD really wanted Bahl in the Taylor Hall deal. They are still in rebuild mode - it just doesn't make all that much sense to replace a prospect with potential, that fits the age group of the core they are building around, with Stecher who is what he is - an undersized 3rd pairing D with arbitration rights and a too high qualifying offer. NJD has cap space and is not forced to make a move they don't want to. Would think that they are well aware of Ferland's health and that the Canucks are looking to add toughness. LeBrun says they are undecided on moving Simmonds. He also believe that the Penguins will show interest. The Canucks are not in a very strong bargaining position. They have no end of season cap space and are operating in LTIR which is going to create a bonus overage - Pettersson/Hughes are going to hit the max on their schedule A. It's evident that they have to move contracts out. Teams might use that as leverage to increase their ask if they have to take a cap dump contract back. If the Devils are building around Hughes and Hischier as their top centres they are dumbos. That’s a losing scenario. Those two guys are both tiny dancers. They are going to get killed on the defensive side of the game, especially when they don’t have the puck. Madden is not the answer there either. They actually need a centre like Hockey Gaud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, Alflives said: If the Devils are building around Hughes and Hischier as their top centres they are dumbos. That’s a losing scenario. Those two guys are both tiny dancers. They are going to get killed on the defensive side of the game, especially when they don’t have the puck. Madden is not the answer there either. They actually need a centre like Hockey Gaud. Hischier is actually really good defensively. He's also very good at getting to the scoring areas. He was top-15 in high danger shots last season according to SportlogIQ's video tracking. He's not sheltered and plays against the opponents best players. He's probably their next captain. Don't think they need Gaudette when they have Zacha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jtutino Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Id rather go after Sami Vatanen from New Jersey. Simmonds has alot of hard miles on him. Didnt he get hurt right after being traded last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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