Devron Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 11 minutes ago, Darius said: I think that Jake brings some good elements to the team, but I just dont think he can provide what Brock does to the top line. This trade is proof. If they thought Jake was a viable option they wouldnt have coughed up all those assets to get a replacement for Brock. Sure enough ...this morning Toffoli is practicing with Miller and EP...Jake is back down to the third line. Would have been easy enough to pair Toffoli with his old buddy Pearson and Bo, and keep Jake on the first wouldnt it? It’s more Green likes the Horvats line with Eriksson and doesn’t want to change it yet then Jake Virtanen Imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Angry Goose Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, Devron44 said: Jake makes that line better. It’s nice he can up and down the lineup. Speaks volumes about his game now. People read into it to much when he gets moved off the first line 4 minutes ago, rychicken said: We really need a 3rd line that is a threat - it can be a real difference maker down the stretch and in the playoffs. I agree with Jake on the 3rd Gaudette/Roos dont seem like they can drive that line on their own- Jake really helps with generating offense for them 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Devron44 said: It’s more Green likes the Horvats line with Eriksson and doesn’t want to change it yet then Jake Virtanen Imo If thats the case then, they could have just kept Jake on the top line and not spent all the assets to get a replacement for Brock. Im not trying to take away from Jake here, im just trying to infer what management is thinking. They dont think that Jake is suited for that top line. Stawns seems to think he is a play driver an a superior option to Brock...if that was the case I dont see this trade happening. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
250Integra Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 I'm guessing the lines will look like this tomorrow: Miller-Pettersson-Virtanen Pearson-Horvat-Toffoli Roussel-Gaudette-MacEwan Eriksson-Beagle-Sutter Perhaps MacEwan and Virtanen will switch depending on which Jake shows up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 3 hours ago, stawns said: Who was he going to supplant on the wing? Who knows. Pearson is up soon. It's not like we have a pile of good wingers aside from Miller, Pearson, BB and maybe JV. LE, Schaller, Leivo, Ferland, Sutter (playing on the fourth line as a winger for 4.25 or wherever), the list is pretty long. Guess we won't know for a year or two right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 minute ago, SILLY GOOSE said: Gaudette/Roos dont seem like they can drive that line on their own- Jake really helps with generating offense for them Back in the BB re-signing threads, posters were saying BB can drive play. If he can, he should play on the 3rd line with Gaudette and Roussel. Miller Petey Virtanen Pearson Bo Toffoli Roussel Gaudette BB 3 good scoring lines. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 minute ago, 250Integra said: I'm guessing the lines will look like this tomorrow: Miller-Pettersson-Virtanen Pearson-Horvat-Toffoli Roussel-Gaudette-MacEwan Eriksson-Beagle-Sutter Perhaps MacEwan and Virtanen will switch depending on which Jake shows up. I'd say Jake has been one of the most consistent fwds this season.....it's just that doesn't fit the narrative of what people have believed about him until this season. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Darius said: If thats the case then, they could have just kept Jake on the top line and not spent all the assets to get a replacement for Brock. Im not trying to take away from Jake here, im just trying to infer what management is thinking. They dont think that Jake is suited for that top line. Stawns seems to think he is a play driver an a superior option to Brock...if that was the case I dont see this trade happening. Yeah he’s not a superior replacement for Boeser but he’s really turned into a quality player. You need 3 scoring lines these days and Virtanen just balances that being on the third. The lines will change again but that’s what I see for now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 minute ago, BPA said: Back in the BB re-signing threads, posters were saying BB can drive play. If he can, he should play on the 3rd line with Gaudette and Roussel. Miller Petey Virtanen Pearson Bo Toffoli Roussel Gaudette BB 3 good scoring lines. BB is young and we don't really know what we have in him yet - but given the sample size he's way ahead of JV at the same age. At least now he has some competition- maybe enough to get him back to where he was his first year. Nothing motivates better then a fire under your ass because peers might take your job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Devron44 said: Yeah he’s not a superior replacement for Boeser but he’s really turned into a quality player. You need 3 scoring lines these days and Virtanen just balances that being on the third. The lines will change again but that’s what I see for now dont disagree.... hes taken a big step forward this year and he could give us 3 really effective lines with different strong points... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bad alice french Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Sbriggs said: Anyone at anytime can be moved, you can keep going all you want. I bet you never expected Madden and a 2nd for Toffoli did you? Do you think that was an overpayment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pete M Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) Back in April 2019, I proposed Toffoli for Virtanen....we now have both... Below is Toffoli's stats Edited February 18, 2020 by Pete M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 59 minutes ago, mll said: + some 1.7M less because of the bonus overage. Canucks will stay in LTIR to finish the season so they can't bank cap space. Virtanen is 2 years to free agency and has arbitration rights - his agent is far better off filing if that is all you are willing to offer him. He already has 16 goals on the season playing just 13 minutes per game. Teams can't walk away if the award is just under circa 4.4M. Ya this Virtanen situation could be a sticky one. I'd be hesitant giving him a big long term contract. 1 hour ago, Bure_Pavel said: I think it would be more like Marky 5-6, Tanev 5, Toffoli 5.5, Virtanen 3.5 , Gaudette 1.5, we will need to move some cap out. By my estimate Canucks needs to move out about 5 million in cap space. Either Eriksson, or Sven and another 3 million dollar player (Sutter/Roussell). Not sure what we'd give up to.get rid of Eriksson. Or even Baertschi. Might have to be Sutter & Roussel. Or else just letting one of the big names walk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 11 minutes ago, Devron44 said: Yeah he’s not a superior replacement for Boeser but he’s really turned into a quality player. You need 3 scoring lines these days and Virtanen just balances that being on the third. The lines will change again but that’s what I see for now It depends on what you value. I consider Jake a superior all around player than Boeser, with far more versatility. Boes might provide more offense, but Jake is putting up comparable numbers this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, bad alice french said: Do you think that was an overpayment? I will answer this. No way we make this trade if BB and Leivo are healthy and producing even at 75% of their norm for this season. It is what it is - about the canucks trying to make the playoffs. The odds just went up - maybe considerably. Toffoli is playing for a contract and he's going to play 120% from the moment he puts his new jersey on. JB has made some move/picks in the past that I definitely wasn't a fan of - if we can't afford Toffoli or he goes somewhere else this summer - to me it's a wash IF make the playoffs and IF he contributes to it. Management is trying to do what ownership wants. Ultimately that's winning a cup. This will only bite us in the ass if Madden plays like his Dad and we don't re-sign him (Toffoli - and if it turns out poorly afterwards). Lots of variables we won't know who won this trade for some time yet. As far as overpayment goes it was LAs best offer - and a lot of teams were interested. So yes we paid the most from LAs viewpoint they got their man and you can gaurantee they did their research. Edited February 18, 2020 by IBatch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, IBatch said: BB is young and we don't really know what we have in him yet - but given the sample size he's way ahead of JV at the same age. At least now he has some competition- maybe enough to get him back to where he was his first year. Nothing motivates better then a fire under your ass because peers might take your job. They're only a year apart and their numbers aren't far off this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Just now, Smashian Kassian said: Ya this Virtanen situation could be a sticky one. I'd be hesitant giving him a big long term contract. Not sure what we'd give up to.get rid of Eriksson. Or even Baertschi. Might have to be Sutter & Roussel. Or else just letting one of the big names walk Virtanen will proabably need some money, doesnt necessarily have to be long term. He was on a show me contract and might score 20 goals with steady improvement from year to year. 20 goals should get you 3 mil at least, if his agent does his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: Ya this Virtanen situation could be a sticky one. I'd be hesitant giving him a big long term contract. Not sure what we'd give up to.get rid of Eriksson. Or even Baertschi. Might have to be Sutter & Roussel. Or else just letting one of the big names walk Jake is still RFA, he's not getting a long term or high AAV. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reyezone Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 56 minutes ago, Alflives said: I’m hoping Tofu is only a rental. I don’t think paying him 5 mil plus over a 4 or 5 year term at his age, is wise for us going forward. I like the trade though, just don’t want to keep him long term. Why don't we see how he gels with the group before making decisions on players? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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