jammin_jk Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 11 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said: We have a great young core and their development (playoffs included) is vitally important to the future....not just the picks that may/may not pan out. The cost of doing business. I don't think you understand that their confidence is a huge thing to consider right now...missing last year's playoffs wasn't fun for them and they want to be there. They deserve every opportunity for that and the thinking that overlooks their needs is kind of disheartening. The grass is always greener with some of the fans. I love that JB is trying to surround this team with .... pieces for success. Not saving for down the road. Will we ever get anyone better than Petey and Quinn? Very doubtful. So you have to "build" around them, not in spite of them. I understand the sentiment Deb and could agree... except Petey and Hughes aren't at the end of their careers (ala Sedins). They're professional hockey players and another year without the playoffs won't actually hurt them that much. I'd rather look three years down the road when they are in their prime. We longer have the option of Madden or a second round pick anymore in their futures. Would you rather have Toffoli for 24 games plus a few in the playoffs (I don't think he'll impact our playoff chances one way or the other very much) or a Gaudette (Madden isn't Gaudette... he's lighter (con) and more skilled (pro) at the same PPG as Gaudette) and a Hoglander (if we draft well... this is a deep draft) in our prospect pool. As a Canucks fan for about 35 years, I take the long sustainable view and choose Madden and a second everytime over a rental who really is a fringe second liner (doesn't drive play) for 24 plus a few... unfortunately our management agrees with your point of view and wants things now. That is not a rebuild! Man... I hate this trade... I get the sentiment and the meaning behind it, but it is so short sighted (focus on this year) and short term... in other words, we would be better overall and in the future without this trade. But, I respect your opinion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, BarnBurner said: I agree. When he was moved to the 1st line, the 3rd line lost its momentum. If Jake does that consistently, he'll make pretty much any line better. For me, that's what tells me that Jake is more of an impact player than BB is. I have no issue with BB, but he's easy to neutralize and he also will bring back a very good return if they move him. Numbers only tell one part of the story. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Hey, some thoughts here... 1) what does our organization need the most at this point? - I would argue Playoff exoperience (miller, Pearson, taffoli, Myers, Beagle) great veteran pick ups with cups and or/lots of playoff experience - helps players grow and makes us better even int he regular season, Bo said he learnt a ton in only 1 series against Calgary and made him a better player - good for moral of players and front office 2) Judd Bracket allows us to do this - Madden is a 3rd round pick, who would be a 1st in a re-draft. Thank you Judd!!!! 3) Cupboard is still pretty full C's- Jasek, Karlsson, focht (yes less depth here now but we will probably draft a C now) Wings- Podz, Hogz, McDonut, Lind Gadjo, Macewen D- OJ, Woo, Rathbone, Tryamkin, Breezer, Rafferty, Chattefield G- MDP, Silvos not bad depth and yes, aware we were now missing a 1st and 2nd. I am sure if they really need to Stecher can get a 2nd and 3rd and they would probably lose him in expansion, plus they have Tryamkin coming back, and good AHL depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotiman187 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) Jb is not losing his job even if he didn't make that deal for Toffoli. What gm in there right mind would get fired after drafting 3 calder finalists the last 3 years in a row. Fans are mad at jb for getting us a top 6 right winger. Now extending him in the off season will really tell us about this trade. Would love to keep TT going forward. Edited February 18, 2020 by rotiman187 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post the grinder Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, HockeyHarry said: Wtf I’m not done with the Canucks.....I care about the Canucks future. Obviously most here don’t and only care about 1 day only rental bandaids. its like leaf nation here the future is here petey hughes gaudettee bo and then hoglander and podi and more coming , omg look at buf and new jersey they had better picks than us in the same timeframe and we are in a playoff hunt , and they are in the back of the pack again . don't make me bring up Edmonton and how many frigging number one picks they had and we are neck and neck in the playoff race , one day rental lol your the one sounding like a leaf fan 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 11 minutes ago, jammin_jk said: I understand the sentiment Deb and could agree... except Petey and Hughes aren't at the end of their careers (ala Sedins). They're professional hockey players and another year without the playoffs won't actually hurt them that much. I'd rather look three years down the road when they are in their prime. We longer have the option of Madden or a second round pick anymore in their futures. Would you rather have Toffoli for 24 games plus a few in the playoffs (I don't think he'll impact our playoff chances one way or the other very much) or a Gaudette (Madden isn't Gaudette... he's lighter (con) and more skilled (pro) at the same PPG as Gaudette) and a Hoglander (if we draft well... this is a deep draft) in our prospect pool. As a Canucks fan for about 35 years, I take the long sustainable view and choose Madden and a second everytime over a rental who really is a fringe second liner (doesn't drive play) for 24 plus a few... unfortunately our management agrees with your point of view and wants things now. That is not a rebuild! Man... I hate this trade... I get the sentiment and the meaning behind it, but it is so short sighted (focus on this year) and short term... in other words, we would be better overall and in the future without this trade. But, I respect your opinion... They just had a brief interview clip with Petey....it will hurt him and his confidence a great deal. He wants this, bad. We have to focus on the here and now...not just "down the road". You compromise this roster by ignoring what's needed as a result of injuries and some depletion that needs to be addressed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Kragar said: I don't worry about cap, I leave that to JB. Boes is better, if he can get back to form. He's had a tough year, and I'm not giving up on him, but if his struggles continue next year, I would argue he isn't better than TT. Good call.... nobody know his plans after all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 27 minutes ago, riffraff said: Tre cmon man...you smarterer than this. we are down leivo, boeser, and ferland. if anything TT doesn’t even bring the roster back to square. How is this in any way JB’s fault? How is he saving jobs by trying to fill a void made by injuries to key pieces? How on earth did you get that from my post? Team misses the playoffs and Benning is fired, I'll put this account on that. He did this trade to save his job first and foremost. Injuries are not his fault but missing the playoffs all these years is on him and no way JB's job is safe if they miss the playoffs, are up against the cap and have no early round picks in the coming draft. Like how is that even remotely debatable? Did we get new ownership over the weekend? Luckily for you and him it'll be moot because they'll make it. Quote you smarterer than this. Typo I hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 minute ago, debluvscanucks said: They just had a brief interview clip with Petey....it will hurt him and his confidence a great deal. He wants this, bad. No guarantees we get into the playoffs, even with getting Tofu. We really haven’t played well for quite a while now. Still thinking Green might be out sooner rather than later. JB seems to have lost patience, and wants his team competing for the playoffs and getting in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 31 minutes ago, aGENT said: I don't think Benning is at much risk of going anywhere. Me too only because they'll make the playoffs. If they didn't he'd be gone in a heartbeat, that's the point of the post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Just now, Tre Mac said: Me too only because they'll make the playoffs. If they didn't he'd be gone in a heartbeat, that's the point of the post. That's no gurantee. And I highly doubt it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post -DLC- Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 It's about sending a message to these guys who are in the hunt....as said (just now on the radio)....you know who doesn't care about Madden and a pick? Bo, Petey, Quinn, Marky, etc. They want to make the playoffs and it's their interest that's most important. Not some guys who may/may not work out down the road. You put your eggs in the current roster's basket and allow them the experience of the playoffs...no matter how they turn out. Then they build from that. It's not about expecting to win the cup (although you play and you just never know). It's about learning what it takes to be there and providing every opportunity to receive that experience to draw from. 3 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post the grinder Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 9 minutes ago, jammin_jk said: I understand the sentiment Deb and could agree... except Petey and Hughes aren't at the end of their careers (ala Sedins). They're professional hockey players and another year without the playoffs won't actually hurt them that much. I'd rather look three years down the road when they are in their prime. We longer have the option of Madden or a second round pick anymore in their futures. Would you rather have Toffoli for 24 games plus a few in the playoffs (I don't think he'll impact our playoff chances one way or the other very much) or a Gaudette (Madden isn't Gaudette... he's lighter (con) and more skilled (pro) at the same PPG as Gaudette) and a Hoglander (if we draft well... this is a deep draft) in our prospect pool. As a Canucks fan for about 35 years, I take the long sustainable view and choose Madden and a second everytime over a rental who really is a fringe second liner (doesn't drive play) for 24 plus a few... unfortunately our management agrees with your point of view and wants things now. That is not a rebuild! Man... I hate this trade... I get the sentiment and the meaning behind it, but it is so short sighted (focus on this year) and short term... in other words, we would be better overall and in the future without this trade. But, I respect your opinion... but we already have gaudette and hoglander so we really don't need madden then or a 2nd , JB is looking down the road already he sees hoglander podi lind big mack in the forward group , rathibone woo jouelevi raferty and big nick on the back end plus others , so I don't get this short sighted focus . JB thought a smallish center doesn't fit in his long term plans that's thinking ahead 2 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Just now, the grinder said: but we already have gaudette and hoglander so we really don't need madden then or a 2nd , JB is looking down the road already he sees hoglander podi lind big mack in the forward group , rathibone woo jouelevi raferty and big nick on the back end plus others , so I don't get this short sighted focus . JB thought a smallish center doesn't fit in his long term plans that's thinking ahead Hoglander is a winger, and one that needs lots more development time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 20 minutes ago, stawns said: For me, that's what tells me that Jake is more of an impact player than BB is. I have no issue with BB, but he's easy to neutralize and he also will bring back a very good return if they move him. Numbers only tell one part of the story. one point in his last 7 games....including lots of time on the top iine in BBs absence. neutralize you say? Jake is a solid player, hes not a top line winger though. Not at this point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the grinder Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Just now, Alflives said: Hoglander is a winger, and one that needs lots more development time. yes he is a winger and he is developing , just like any player tho hoglander may just surprise us all in camp next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, the grinder said: but we already have gaudette and hoglander so we really don't need madden then or a 2nd , JB is looking down the road already he sees hoglander podi lind big mack in the forward group , rathibone woo jouelevi raferty and big nick on the back end plus others , so I don't get this short sighted focus . JB thought a smallish center doesn't fit in his long term plans that's thinking ahead The small part is huge to me. We have no more room for small guys....we need more size if anything. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildwood12 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) Dubas gives up a first round pick to make Marleau disappear. The media never brings that up. Why? Because Dubas is a GENIUS GM in Toronto. Edited February 19, 2020 by wildwood12 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnBurner Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 9 minutes ago, stawns said: For me, that's what tells me that Jake is more of an impact player than BB is. I have no issue with BB, but he's easy to neutralize and he also will bring back a very good return if they move him. Numbers only tell one part of the story. Me as well. I have no issues with Brock. I want him to become the best player he can be, and he's shown that he has elite potential. He's only 22 and we just need him to be healthy on a consistent basis. As far as Jake goes, I really like what he can bring, and does bring to the table most nights. But he too, has to bring that consistently. And when he does, he is a dominating type player. Points aren't everything, agreed. There's a hell of a lot more that goes into making an effective player than simply points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 I think JB did a great job as Fer and Brock are out plus instant chemistry for Bo with TT and Tanner we now have two good lines and should make the playoffs. If we do not resign him then at the draft we could get something back so I am ok with this 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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