[Proposal]The Canucks should Trade Boeser or Virtanen for a defenseman before the TDL

[Alflives]

5 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

Could you imagine? If the Canucks grab ahold of a playoff spot, and then as the season is winding down, in comes Tryamkin and Boeser.

We could be looking at getting to the cup again with some luck like that. 

[qwijibo]

 

[smokes]

Brock for Dumba? Is that what the proposal is? Dumba? Maybe Boeser for Dumba and their first roud draft pick for the next twenty years.

[Patel Bure]

57 minutes ago, qwijibo said:

Boeser is done for the season.  No one is trading for him at the deadline 

This is news to me.   I heard that Boeser was out for 3 weeks.   Can you provide a source?

[Patel Bure]

42 minutes ago, qwijibo said:

 

Yikes.    Just saw this.  Damn.

 

We can’t move Boeser obviously (would it even be allowed?), and so we obviously shouldn’t move Virtanen right now.   
 

Bringing in Tryamkin would be a nice add (ie contract break from his Russian team).   If the Canucks need more cap space, you could possibly look at moving Jordie Benn (would have to be at zero retention since we’ll Likely need to retain salary on Sutter and Baertschi when we move them in the off-season towards the end of the summer).   Stecher could also be used to clear salary, add a pick, or be used as part of a bigger package to bring in someone (I would avoid bringing in an enforcer, and instead, use it to upgrade our defense).
 

Miller-Pettersson-Virtanen

Pearson-Horvat-Toffoli

Roussel-Gaudette-Eriksson

Motte-Beagle-Sutter (Leivo)

 

Eriksson

 

Edler-Stecher

Hughes-Tanev

Tryamkin-Myers

 

Fantenberg

 

Markstrom

Demko

Edited February 18, 2020 by DarkIndianRises

[qwijibo]

4 minutes ago, DarkIndianRises said:

This is news to me.   I heard that Boeser was out for 3 weeks.   Can you provide a source?

 

[Patel Bure]

Yikes.

 

Brock might actually be out for the season.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/brock-boeser-out-for-rest-of-regular-season/amp

Edited February 18, 2020 by DarkIndianRises

[GhostsOf1994]

3 hours ago, NUCKER67 said:

Could you imagine? If the Canucks grab ahold of a playoff spot, and then as the season is winding down, in comes Tryamkin and Boeser.

And Motte, Leivo and Ferland 

 

 

2 hours ago, DarkIndianRises said:

Yikes.    Just saw this.  Damn.

 

We can’t move Boeser obviously (would it even be allowed?), and so we obviously shouldn’t move Virtanen right now.   
 

Bringing in Tryamkin would be a nice add (ie contract break from his Russian team).   If the Canucks need more cap space, you could possibly look at moving Jordie Benn (would have to be at zero retention since we’ll Likely need to retain salary on Sutter and Baertschi when we move them in the off-season towards the end of the summer).   Stecher could also be used to clear salary, add a pick, or be used as part of a bigger package to bring in someone (I would avoid bringing in an enforcer, and instead, use it to upgrade our defense).
 

Miller-Pettersson-Virtanen

Pearson-Horvat-Toffoli

Roussel-Gaudette-Eriksson

Motte-Beagle-Sutter (Leivo)

 

Eriksson

 

Edler-Stecher

Hughes-Tanev

Tryamkin-Myers

 

Fantenberg

 

Markstrom

Demko

Leivo, Ferland and Boeser are all hurt, 2/3 likely won't play again this season/playoffs

[Patel Bure]

1 hour ago, GhostsOf1994 said:

And Motte, Leivo and Ferland 

 

 

Leivo, Ferland and Boeser are all hurt, 2/3 likely won't play again this season/playoffs

I would even go as far as saying that none of those guys will play this season.

[KnuckleHead16]

We’re Keeping Boeser buds! If we’re giving up Boeser, which we most definitely are not lolol.  we’re getting a forward of that age. who can score/produce just as much as he does;) when he’s healthy and in the right state of mind. The sky is the limit for Bess:) Dumba not even close. to being as valuable as he is;) that’s just crazy! 

[JM_]

Nah. Lets trade a lesser prospect for someone like Mike Green for a little veteran d depth instead. 

[RowdyCanuck]

Don't get me wrong I would love to trade Brock , it will have to wait until the draft so we know how the team plays without Brock and if toffoli signs at a price cheaper then Brock and brings everything Brock does, then yea trade him.....

but I wouldn't trade Brock for dumba , his a pmd that hits, would be the perfect guy for edler but edler isn't the future Hughes  is and we have no one other then tree that would be the perfect guy for Quinn , so only way I would trade Brock is if Josh Manson is coming the other way......Hughes and Manson just pure sexiness right there ha

[Odjick the Warrior]

On 2/18/2020 at 11:03 AM, DarkIndianRises said:

[proposal]The Canucks should Trade Boeser or Virtanen for a defenseman before the TDL
 

Miller-Pettersson-[Boeser/Virtanen]
Pearson-Horvat-Toffoli

 

Will be our top 6.  We all know that.   However, given that....

 

A) One of Boeser or Virtanen will be the “odd man out” on that 3rd line.

B-) Our defensive depth is still razor thin outside of Edler, Tanev, and Hughes (two of these three of which have a long history of injuries and by miracle, have escaped it thus far this season)

 

I think it would behoove the Canucks to move one of Jake or Brock for a defenseman, and given that Brock will be out for three weeks, I would suggest the long rumored Boeser for Dumba deal, with either side adding some small parts.   I’m not really a fan of trading players that are going through personal tragedy (ie Boeser with his father’s illness), but if moving Brock gets him closer to his family, I’d be all for it.

 

With a guy like Dumba here, with Tryamkin on his way here next year, the Canucks could also let Tanev walk in the summer, and use that money to re-up Markstrom and Virtanen.  Stecher could also be traded for a pick or unqualified in the off-season.

 

As far as Toffoli goes, I’m actually of the opinion that the Canucks will be likely to sign Toffoli if we get into the playoffs, and we move on from other certain players.  
 

Future Canucks

Miller-Pettersson-Virtanen

Pearson-Horvat-Toffoli

Hoglander-Gaudette-Podkolzin

Motte-Gadjovich-MacEwan

 

Edler-Dumba

Hughes-Tryamkin

Juolevi-Myers

 

Markstrom

Demko

 

If the Canucks intend to sign Toffoli long term, I believe the following will need to occur:
 

1) Ferland retires.

2) Stecher is traded for a pick at the draft or is unqualified at season’s end 

3) We walk away from Tanev (Tryamkin replaces him)

4) Eriksson either retires after collecting his bonus post July 1st, or is moved with a sweetener (Demko)

5) Baertschi is moved towards the end of the summer at 50% retention.

6) Sutter is moved towards the end of the Summer at 50% retention.

 

If all of the above conditions are met, then I believe that the Canucks can comfortable re-up Toffoli.

1) Ferland will not retire so soon specially with another 3 years on his deal that he can collect on LTIR for the remainder of his contract 

2) Stetcher has more value to be part of a package deal now to upgrade the defense as I can’t see the Canucks resigning him with Rafferty and Juolevi both having a good season in Utica

3) Tanev is part of the reason Hughes has been playing lights out for the last month or so as he covers while Hughes works his offensive magic. Also Tryamkin might not make the team next year and have to be in Utica as his game has suffered this season in the KHL

4) I can actually see Ericksson moved with Demko for a mid level prospect or a 2nd or 3rd rounder at the draft but I doubt he will retire when he still has another season after next season.

5) Baertschi has 0 trade value that’s why nobody picked him up on waivers twice, but he’s not horrible to have in Utica helping the kids become pros.

6) Sutter is a decent player and worthwhile to keep for his last year and might have a big year knowing he has to prove he can play over 65 games. He can score and play PK and a good face off guy that can move up and down the lineup when injuries happen by filling in for Gaudette or Horvat or playing on the wing. 

 Resignings in rank of importance 

1) resign Markstrom to a 4-5 year deal tops worth $5 million and make sure he can be unprotected in the expansion draft or give Seattle draft picks to select him like the Penguins did with Fleury in the Las Vegas expansion draft

2) Resign Tanev to a 4 year deal so he can be the elder statesmen of the defense core after Edler’s contract is up after next season and he plays real well with Hughes so don’t break up that pairing

3) try to sign Pettersson in the summer to a 8 year/$80 - $90 million contract extension

4) Resign Shotgun Jake to a 2 year deal to get him to show this year was not a flash in the pan

5) Gaudette will be easy to resign to like a 3 year deal 

6) Resign Tyler Motte for 1 year because someone from Utica should be able to take his roster spot after next year

 

To fit these players and even to even resign Toffoli too all you need to do is trade Ericksson with Demko or DiPietro for a draft pick or a mid level winger prospect to replace Madden’s spot in the prospect pool and that $6 million will cover everything.

I am waiting to hear people rip this apart 

Edited February 21, 2020 by IjustNEEDaTROYgamble

[IBatch]

On 2/18/2020 at 2:27 PM, DarkIndianRises said:EV1) I wasn’t suggesting that we trade both.  Just one.

 

2) Boeser is having an off year (Although his stats aren’t that bad), but so is Dumba.   I think it’s fair value.

 

There will always be an interest for a guy like Boeser.   GM’s aren’t so short sighted to completely write-off a player based on one year.

 

 

This is a fair comment.  Dumba is having a bad year,  happens to every top defenseman in this league at some point.   MIN needs centers more than wingers  - maybe they'd do this trade for Horvat but that's never going to happen.   Saying Dumba is done it silly.  He'd immediately become our best RHD, and when he's on he's a 50 plus point guy who scores goals and is hard to play against. 

 

Both BB and Dumba have had injury issues - if MIN wanted BB it would be a fair deal too IMO.   Both are core players and when on one of better players at what they do for their position.   I'd rank Dumba about the same or better then Subban...

 

Before he was out BB was a top five R winger in this league production wise.  Don't get anyone who would trade him for a lottery ticket or anyone other then a defenseman like Dumba or better (RHD is our weak spot, although we don't have anyone in the system that looks to replace Edler long term so an equal LHD would be ok too). 

 

This would only work if we could re-sign TT and JV, and hopefully JV becomes the top six guy we've been waiting for. 

 

Losing BB hurt us big time.  I'd understand a trade like this but also don't like it.   We should be giving him more time to earn a hopefully huge third contract.   Can't believe his best season was has rookie one - and still think he's got the chops to score 50 in this league at some point.  How old is he again?  How old was Naslund when he starting ripping off 40 plus goal seasons?  D. Sedin too.    Both EP and BB could be 40/50 goal guys in their prime.   Hard to play against the leagues best night in night out.  Am a fan of dropping him back to the second line (Horvats), think a little extra space would go a long way for him.   Hope he's back and we make the playoffs....would be a huge boost for the team at a time when scoring goals matter most. 

[bad alice french]

On 2/18/2020 at 11:33 AM, DarkIndianRises said:

I could see Benning going after an enforcer, but I hope not.  They’ve gone the way of the dodo bird.  MacEwan is a good enough heavyweight enforcer in my opinion.

 

The Canucks are an injury on D away (Edler, Hughes, or Tanev) from being a mediocre team due to a below average defense.   If the Canucks are serious about making the playoffs and possibly winning a round, another top 4 calibre dman is needed.  

I'm totally on board with this proposal. Actually came here with sights set on starting one myself.

I can live with Virt and Brock on the team. When  Boeser is on he knows how to rack up the points and yes Virtanen is showing signs go growth.

Thing is, if we were better defensively we could easily get by points wise with our existing top 6 minus one of these two especially if we figure out a way to re sign Toffy.

You simply can't win in this league with average defending and we are currently very much average.

Edler and Tanev are what they are.

Myers I really like and am quite surprised at the heat he takes around here.

Huggy is all world.

All this Tryamkin/Rafferty/blah blah blah talk is ridiculous if we want to contend. We need NHL calibre studs on the back end. Not graduated minor leaguers and KHL cast offs.

Dumba would help make us a much better team. Bomb for a shot. Tough as nails. Excellent skater. 25 with term...

Virtanen is a prime trading chip right now as is Brock. The only way we land a top 2-4 is by parting ways with a stud roster player. This is our only area of strength asset wise right now as Brock and Virt are tradeable.

Edited February 23, 2020 by bad alice french